RAS totals like printing money?

**do5000** · 08-09-10, 08:01 AM

who's RAS?

**andywend** · 08-09-10, 08:06 AM

RAS's long-term percentages with totals are around 58% and thats assuming you get the posted number which is not terribly easy.

Even at the 58%, I wouldn't call it "printing money".

Nice steady profits = YES
Printing money = NO

Do5000, RAS = Right Angle Sports (a handicapping service, one of the best that exists)

**Emily_Haines** · 08-09-10, 08:16 AM

Hardly printing money but you will have to experiment with several different books because at some of them it is impossible to get the number.

**statnerds** · 08-09-10, 08:28 AM

so 60 Units last season, and 100 Units in 2 years, wasn't printing money?!?!?!?!?!?

are you fukkin people serious?

and yes, they are good and honest.

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

Hardly printing money but you will have to experiment with several different books because at some of them it is impossible to get the number.

What books? I only plan on using Bookmaker and TheGreek since they won't cut my limits. Is it possible to get my bets in on time at these sites? Assuming that I bet within 20 seconds or so on both.

**Dank_Fire** · 08-09-10, 08:34 AM

RAS good with College Foot Totals? i only tailed em on a few NCAA Hoops totals

**durito** · 08-09-10, 08:48 AM

You will get banned at The Greek and cut by bookmaker for playing them. You won't get them in at pinny before they move.

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Dank_Fire

RAS good with College Foot Totals? i only tailed em on a few NCAA Hoops totals

Idk. Can someone who has been a subscriber for a while answer this? I'm about to go check it out and dig deeper for football totals records. I don't know how long he's been doing them.

**uva3021** · 08-09-10, 08:55 AM

find a PPH service that is notoriously behind

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by durito

You will get banned at The Greek and cut by bookmaker for playing them. You won't get them in at pinny before they move.

Why do people keep saying this about the Greek and bookmaker? Everywhere I've read says the DO NOT cut limits. I straight up told Bookmaker I'd be using this handicapper and they still said they would not cut my limits for any reason. Hell, even in the reviews on this site for both TG and BM in the section that says "limit collars" it states "no they will not cut your limits" for both. What am I missing? I don't mean to say you're wrong durito, but please explain to me how they could cut limits when everywhere you look says they won't. Have they collared you? PS I saw a thread on another forum where in response to negative comments about ras you said something to the effect of "yeah I hate that 55k he made me last year." True? How did you bet if so?

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by uva3021

find a PPH service that is notoriously behind

That would be great except I'll be banned or cut in about 2 days.

**Eleven** · 08-09-10, 09:03 AM

Yeah RAS is good.

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 09:15 AM

What do you guys think about his sides? Quite frankly I'm unimpressed and I think I'll just bet totals. I think the lines on sides are pretty efficient to the point where he's not getting enough closing line value(and also some of that is just sheer volume bet on his side of the game so the lime moves are exaggerated)

**Emily_Haines** · 08-09-10, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by illfuuptn

Why do people keep saying this about the Greek and bookmaker? Everywhere I've read says the DO NOT cut limits. I straight up told Bookmaker I'd be using this handicapper and they still said they would not cut my limits for any reason. Hell, even in the reviews on this site for both TG and BM in the section that says "limit collars" it states "no they will not cut your limits" for both. What am I missing? I don't mean to say you're wrong durito, but please explain to me how they could cut limits when everywhere you look says they won't. Have they collared you? PS I saw a thread on another forum where in response to negative comments about ras you said something to the effect of "yeah I hate that 55k he made me last year." True? How did you bet if so?

Bookmaker won't cut your limits but they are next to impossible to bet there. They used to take the whole board down on the wnba games. Too many screens to go through to get the bet confirmed in a speedy manner.

**Emily_Haines** · 08-09-10, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by illfuuptn

How did you bet if so?

Nobody is going to give this information away on a public forum.

**durito** · 08-09-10, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by illfuuptn

Why do people keep saying this about the Greek and bookmaker? Everywhere I've read says the DO NOT cut limits. I straight up told Bookmaker I'd be using this handicapper and they still said they would not cut my limits for any reason. Hell, even in the reviews on this site for both TG and BM in the section that says "limit collars" it states "no they will not cut your limits" for both. What am I missing? I don't mean to say you're wrong durito, but please explain to me how they could cut limits when everywhere you look says they won't. Have they collared you? PS I saw a thread on another forum where in response to negative comments about ras you said something to the effect of "yeah I hate that 55k he made me last year." True? How did you bet if so?

Locals.

Go bet a couple RAS total at the greek for the max. They won't "limit" you, but you will get a warning that if you bet ras again before the move (or any other steam) you will get a phone only account (which is essentially the same as limiting you to zero on these).

Bookmaker plays all sorts of tricks. Like it will say, sorry this bet can't be accepted because the game has already started. They play it off as a tech malfunction, when oddly this happens every single time you try to bet an ras play. Put it in again and the line has moved 3pts.

**Emily_Haines** · 08-09-10, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by durito

Locals.

Go bet a couple RAS total at the greek for the max. They won't "limit" you, but you will get a warning that if you bet ras again before the move (or any other steam) you will get a phone only account (which is essentially the same as limiting you to zero on these).

Bookmaker plays all sorts of tricks. Like it will say, sorry this bet can't be accepted because the game has already started. They play it off as a tech malfunction, when oddly this happens every single time you try to bet an ras play. Put it in again and the line has moved 3pts.

LOL, I remember that game has already started screen.

**illfuuptn** · 08-09-10, 10:27 AM

So I'm just screwed? I won't do a local. Do you think I could get away with lower bets on other sites? Like betting $200 on legends or 5dimes?

**durito** · 08-09-10, 10:29 AM

5dimes subscribes to ras and moves before people even bet.

**ForgetWallStreet** · 08-09-10, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by illfuuptn

So I'm just screwed? I won't do a local. Do you think I could get away with lower bets on other sites? Like betting $200 on legends or 5dimes?

The opportunity cost of playing Edward's stuff is very high for some, but if this is the best or only way you can win, and judging from your fascination with touts it probably is, then I would just burn through the books one by one. Just know going in that you'll often be asked to leave after 4 or so bets.

**statnerds** · 08-09-10, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by durito

You will get banned at The Greek and cut by bookmaker for playing them. You won't get them in at pinny before they move.

but chasing every other steam play will not get you banned, nor get limits placed on you

hoo-ray.

laughable man!!!!

**durito** · 08-09-10, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by statnerds

but chasing every other steam play will not get you banned, nor get limits placed on you

hoo-ray.

laughable man!!!!

I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say as usual. But, yes you can get kicked out of the greek for chasing any steam.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 08-09-10, 06:16 PM

How close are RAS totals released to game time?

**Bluehorseshoe** · 08-09-10, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by durito

Locals.

Even Locals are on to it also. I have three and two wouldn't post totals until after 5:30 pm last year. One specifically mentioned RAS as the reason.

**Justin7** · 08-09-10, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by statnerds

but chasing every other steam play will not get you banned, nor get limits placed on you

hoo-ray.

laughable man!!!!

If you bet steam at Greek or Bookmaker, you will get countermeasures... regardless of the source.

Pinnacle won't oppose steam players, but they'll cut you if you beat them on teasers.

**Dark Horse** · 08-09-10, 09:42 PM

Are you the new World Board-gaming champ?

**Justin7** · 08-09-10, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Are you the new World Board-gaming champ?

Heh. No, but I was the #1 ranked player for the Japanese Empire this year (of a whopping 6 Japanese players). It probably didn't hurt that the game designer (Bruce Harper) was my German ally. Players of "A World at War" are almost a miniature cult. One game takes about 80 hours of play over 6 days. The rules have about 200 pages, and there is a learning curve of about 2 years.

**mathdotcom** · 08-09-10, 10:09 PM

sounds like a waste of time Justin

**IrishTim** · 08-09-10, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by durito

5dimes subscribes to ras and moves before people even bet.

I've heard this said before, but I was able to get his college hoops plays in there this winter.

**Justin7** · 08-09-10, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

sounds like a waste of time Justin

Yes, a complete and utter waste of time. But like drinking and sex, wargaming can be a lot of fun.

**dialup_king** · 08-10-10, 12:43 AM

If you bet a RAS total hours before release, will you get limited?

**Pokerjoe** · 08-10-10, 01:25 AM

Surprised that no one has mentioned that RAS isn't cheap, and CBB totals are not a market which allows for large wagers. The larger books have developed countermeasures; the smaller books just won't post CBB totals at all, or not until shortly before game time. And how many LV books post these at all any more? IIRC, most LV books are only putting up CBB totals on TV games.

**Pokerjoe** · 08-10-10, 01:26 AM

Justin, you must be single. I'd love to have the time to devote to such a game. Maybe when I retire-retire (as opposed to merely having quit my job 20+ years ago).

**Pokerjoe** · 08-10-10, 02:08 AM

Also, the guy's record is past-tense. It isn't like a license to print money. It's like a license to have printed money. There are no guarantees going forward. His sample is small and the market is changing.

If he's just been lucky (and yes, considering there are gazillions of touts out there, you should expect a fair number to have had a good year in a certain sport, and some of them to have had back-to-back good years, all on luck alone), then when the cards break even, you'll be toast.

And even if he hasn't just been lucky, even if he's been skillful, suppose the market tightens up (the linemaker, the books, or overnight players all maybe deconstructing his approach and moving the line in anticipation). That would drastically cut his number of released plays, to the point where he's out of biz. But have you ever heard of a tout saying, in advance of losing, "Hey, guys, I don't think I can beat it anymore? There aren't enough plays anymore?"

No. They just Dr Bob for years thereafter. I'm not saying RAS is going to Dr Bob anyone. I can't predict the future. Edward does seem like an honorable guy. But lots of people are honorable until being honorable means turning down the boatload of money he's now making off subscribers.

Dr Bob seemed honorable, too. But honor is an easy thing to get around with a little self-deception. Do you think Dr Bob tells himself anything other than that he'll make money for his clients going forward, he's absolutely sure of it, he'll show his detractors, he'll reward his most loyal followers, then they'll all see?