what gabe says.

[Vaughany]

also on TUF with Justin Lawrence .. the dude showed good cardio in all his fights now suddenly even though his destroying him on the feet he follows him to the ground ?! even though dominic Cruz literally begged him to keep it on the feet .. also WTF happened to his cardio ?!

It's easy to dismiss such things by saying oh his just too young and needs alot of learning to do .. but unless he was poisoned by somebody I really think Justin Lawrence also threw that fight away .. who knows maybe he had somebody bet against himself big $$ or there was something really fishy going on .

for the most part they make most of the match ups pretty even and I think maybe they rig 1 in 100 matches or something like that .. because vegas has the odds in favor with the juice on there odds no matter who wins they profit most of the times unless everybody bets on one side and not the other .. which is a rare case and only in cases like people like Jon Bones .

but I really believe the Justin Lawrence and Donald Cerrone vs Nate Diaz fight were either rigged or they had money against themselves .. or they were poisoned lol

Not sure if serious?! You think Justin Lawrence would ruin chance of being TUF winner? He wasnt fighting Damian Maia there on the ground bro...it was Chiesa! Lawrence clearly is very confident in his abilities and once it fell to the ground thought he could land some GnP, then whilst doing it Chiesa managed to tie him up so it was difficult to escape.

[Vaughany]

In any of the fights he lost in the WEC, did he ever lose the first round pretty badly and do nothing different in the 2nd?

He struck me as a fighter who would do whatever it takes to get a win, but I guess he's not.

Well, a) he rarely lost...but when he did he lost to Varner because he wanted to keep it standing and was down on the cards from being taken down a few times. He didnt adapt apart from kneeing Varner in the face and getting the fight stopped. And B) he didnt fight anybody with Diaz's level of striking or anybody who is as good as Diaz is off his back.

But yes, I'm sure he likes to win and he goes in there with the mindset of doing whatever it takes...but sometimes fighters just have an off night and lose their usual mentality.

[getlucky2win]

i could see a guy on tuf throwin a fight. these guys are usually broke. A rich guy n vegas could break them off a nice chunk o change and then they dont have 2 win the tournament 2 get paid.

What time do the prelims on facebook start tom??

i think its 2 pacific

[gabe]

i could see a guy on tuf throwin a fight. these guys are usually broke. A rich guy n vegas could break them off a nice chunk o change and then they dont have 2 win the tournament 2 get paid.

What time do the prelims on facebook start tom??

True...

I personally hadn't noticed how much his conditioning had deteriorated since the first fight... Shouldn't it have improved while training in the house rather than gotten worse?

[sirchadwick1]

i could see a guy on tuf throwin a fight. these guys are usually broke. A rich guy n vegas could break them off a nice chunk o change and then they dont have 2 win the tournament 2 get paid.

May be the reason so many TUF dogs are killing lately.

[gabe]

May be the reason so many TUF dogs are killing lately.

Myles Jury TOTALLY gave his fight away.

If someone had big money against him that he gets a cut from, then that makes sense... 'cos win or lose, he would end up fighting on the finale, regardless.

[NunyaBidness]

Yes, in a sport where $500 bets move lines there is a massive fight fixing conspiracy. And its so well hidden, that not only does the line not move toward the fix, it moves in the opposite direction.

I think you guys are on to something here.

[Vaughany]

lol

[gabe]

Yes, in a sport where $500 bets move lines there is a massive fight fixing conspiracy. And its so well hidden, that not only does the line not move toward the fix, it moves in the opposite direction.

I think you guys are on to something here.

1 fixed bet vs the massive public = line should move toward the 1 bet? lol...right... and you're assuming the fixed bet on the dog is placed early on and not before fight-time, when the value on the dog is usually better?

also, nobody said "massive fight fixing conspiracy"- dude said 1 out of 100, what about 1% sounds massive to you?

basically, your post was dumb as hell.

[getlucky2win]

theres so many illegal bookies. i dont think these particular fights were fixed but ur crazy 2 think there has never been a fix

[gabe]

Best of luck pal!

Gabe's vids are always entertaining. Keep rockin bro

thx bud

[gabe]

theres so many illegal bookies. i dont think these particular fights were fixed but ur crazy 2 think there has never been a fix

exactly what i said. you can't say for sure which fights were fixed (though i'm confident something was up with lawlor vs amagov in strikeforce) but it's silly to say that nothing fishy doesn't go on. as long as people are involved, and there is money to be made, something fishy will always happen. maybe only a couple times a year, but still.

[gabe]

also, a lot of mma judges come from boxing...and everybody knows boxing judges are easy to buy.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

In any of the fights he lost in the WEC, did he ever lose the first round pretty badly and do nothing different in the 2nd?

He struck me as a fighter who would do whatever it takes to get a win, but I guess he's not.

Cerrone is a dumb redneck who just comes to scrap. He'll kickbox until someone takes him down and then he'll threaten with subs when on the mat. When have you EVER seen Cerrone shoot for TDs? I think maybe Varner II... It's just not his style, never will be.

A better striker who won't take him down like Diaz or a TD artist with elite sub defense like Bendo is his kryptonite.

FWIW I don't think Stephens is either although I think he has underrated sub defense and OK standup. I think Cerrone will out kickbox Stephens, Jeremy will try to TD Cerrone, Cowboy will threaten him a lot and then proceed to outwork Jeremy on the feet for 2 rounds. By round 3 Jeremy will come out head hunting like he did when he was clearly down 20-18 vs RDA and Davis and will just look to KO Cerrone. This differs from the Pettis fight whereby Jeremy won round one - at least in his eyes by his TDs - so round three was still a strategic battle to win a 29-28 decision rather than a "finish at all costs" approach.

Neither RDA nor Davis are known to ever have had their lights turned off and Jeremy did it to both... So I absolutely love a Stephens in round 3 prop at 19:1. Cerrone is very hittable as Diaz showed. He's been dropped by Razor Rob and frankly, Cowboy hasn't fought anyone with the KO power in his hands that Jeremy possesses. Beast mode Stephens can KO a mule.

[NunyaBidness]

1 fixed bet vs the massive public = line should move toward the 1 bet? lol...right... and you're assuming the fixed bet on the dog is placed early on and not before fight-time, when the value on the dog is usually better?

Wow, you've proven yourself stupider than I thought. You really think someone would fix a fight in order to get ONE bet down? So, he's paying a guy what, $500 to win a $2,500 bet? Hardly worth it. You do realize you can't get $1,000,000 on a fight by yourself, right, tough to get more than $20k down.

When a match is fixed, many, many, many bets are placed by a conglomerate, then sharps see the air move and continue the line movement.

Look at the Green/Briggs fight the line moved (IIRC) from something like -600 to -2600, and Green in rd 1 was something like -200.

[NunyaBidness]

I guarantee every fight being mentioned as being fixed in this thread is one in which the punter lost. Maybe change your avatar to this:

[helpplease]

Wow, you've proven yourself stupider than I thought. You really think someone would fix a fight in order to get ONE bet down? So, he's paying a guy what, $500 to win a $2,500 bet? Hardly worth it. You do realize you can't get $1,000,000 on a fight by yourself, right, tough to get more than $20k down.

When a match is fixed, many, many, many bets are placed by a conglomerate, then sharps see the air move and continue the line movement.

Look at the Green/Briggs fight the line moved (IIRC) from something like -600 to -2600, and Green in rd 1 was something like -200.

u remember Ricco Rodriguez ?? that dude was a like a +500 against Randy couture at UFC 39 .. he put $100,000 down on himself to win $500,000 in profit and he ended up KO'ing Randy couture in the 5th round . this was back in 2002

U've always loved starting shit with people .. not sure if u remember me or not but I sure do remember u .. and u still annoy the fk outta me .

[gabe]

Wow, you've proven yourself stupider than I thought. You really think someone would fix a fight in order to get ONE bet down? So, he's paying a guy what, $500 to win a $2,500 bet? Hardly worth it. You do realize you can't get $1,000,000 on a fight by yourself, right, tough to get more than $20k down.

When a match is fixed, many, many, many bets are placed by a conglomerate, then sharps see the air move and continue the line movement.

Look at the Green/Briggs fight the line moved (IIRC) from something like -600 to -2600, and Green in rd 1 was something like -200.

My buddy placed several bets on numerous fights and sports in Vegas last week all within the $60,000 - $90,000 range-- and I know people who have placed half a million dollar bets... so I don't know what you're talking about.

You don't think a fighter can fix a fight just by having his uncle or his uncle's buddy place one large wager on him? Silly guy.

[gabe]

I won big in the Carlo Prate vs Erick Silva fight, but that could have been a job, too. So Nunya, is once again, DEAD WRONG. =)

[fosho14]

shut up and get our fries nunya

[Beelzebubzy]

shut up and get our fries nunya

Hi there. By looking at your posts it is clear that you really break down and analyze fights objectively and intelligently and I appreciate that. It's hard to come by these days, and really exhausting trying to filter through all the thoughtless comments on so many forums.
I was wondering if I could ask you your attitudes directly because it can be a bit disorganized scanning through these threads with everyone having a different opinion. What are your most confident/big money plays so far on this ufc on fuel 2 card and the upcoming ufc 145 event (if you've capped that yet)?


Thanks so much for the time

[fosho14]

Just repeating whats already been said, nice. Is that the best you can do?

[Vaughany]

Hi there. By looking at your posts it is clear that you really break down and analyze fights objectively and intelligently and I appreciate that. It's hard to come by these days, and really exhausting trying to filter through all the thoughtless comments on so many forums.
I was wondering if I could ask you your attitudes directly because it can be a bit disorganized scanning through these threads with everyone having a different opinion. What are your most confident/big money plays so far on this ufc on fuel 2 card and the upcoming ufc 145 event (if you've capped that yet)?


Thanks so much for the time

lol

[Vaughany]

u remember Ricco Rodriguez ?? that dude was a like a +500 against Randy couture at UFC 39 .. he put $100,000 down on himself to win $500,000 in profit and he ended up KO'ing Randy couture in the 5th round . this was back in 2002

U've always loved starting shit with people .. not sure if u remember me or not but I sure do remember u .. and u still annoy the fk outta me .

Betting on yourself to win is not unusual bro...if he'd bet on Randy Couture to win then tht would be dodgy! David Haye bet on himself to win in Round 3 against Audley Harrison and admitted it after the fight... do you think he'd come out and admit it if it was fixed!

[NunyaBidness]

Good to see the dumbies are clanning up.

[fosho14]

It took me 2 minutes to send that out, and has helped me earn a lot of profit by gaining insight on specific bouts that I had looming questions about or was skeptical on to either pull the trigger or stay away. So keep re-posting that, I really don't care haha. Not embarassed or ashamed about asking ppl's mma opinions/predictions on a website dedicated to sports betting.

[helpplease]

u guy see the weigh ins ? I don't mean to start conspiracy theories .. but cowboy had the same look as when he was about to fight Diaz .. either someone approached him to throw the fight or something .. I try to never bet on fighters until I see the weigh ins or even better yet there walk outs when they are about to fight before I bet them .

stay away from cowboy vs Stephens in my opinion

Rafael Dos Anjos vs Kamal Shalarous is a fight to stay away from .. but if u had to bet .. a small play on Kamal at +250 or better

Dustin Prorier looked ready as always though .. HE will almost guaranteed win his fight .. he is a 100 % LOCK for me . I just can't see him losing

and a good parlay is TJ grant and Tom lawlor .. and bet Dustin Prorier straight up

[Vaughany]

u guy see the weigh ins ? I don't mean to start conspiracy theories .. but cowboy had the same look as when he was about to fight Diaz .. either someone approached him to throw the fight or something .. I try to never bet on fighters until I see the weigh ins or even better yet there walk outs when they are about to fight before I bet them .

[gabe]

Good to see the dumbies are clanning up.

you're good w/ math, but pretty dumb with anything that calls for common sense. (hence why i believe you have aspergers)

that's been my observation, anyway.

[NunyaBidness]

How's mom's basement?

[gabe]

How's mom's basement?

i've only had your mom in her bed and on the kitchen table, never been down to the basement.




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[DeFactoCrippler]

Hi there. By looking at your posts it is clear that you really break down and analyze fights objectively and intelligently and I appreciate that. It's hard to come by these days, and really exhausting trying to filter through all the thoughtless comments on so many forums.
I was wondering if I could ask you your attitudes directly because it can be a bit disorganized scanning through these threads with everyone having a different opinion. What are your most confident/big money plays so far on this ufc on fuel 2 card and the upcoming ufc 145 event (if you've capped that yet)?


Thanks so much for the time

I laughed at the expense of another human.

[DeFactoCrippler]

It took me 2 minutes to send that out, and has helped me earn a lot of profit by gaining insight on specific bouts that I had looming questions about or was skeptical on to either pull the trigger or stay away. So keep re-posting that, I really don't care haha. Not embarassed or ashamed about asking ppl's mma opinions/predictions on a website dedicated to sports betting.

That's true, thanks for clearing this up. Every opinion matters, that why I buy my picks from custom2006. He has unveiled his big package for this week and I already grabbed it up. I thought I would share with the forum so we could all benefit. he has...

Jason "The Athlete" Macdonald by KO/TKO hedged with Macdonald/Lawlor Over

[Rubber Guard]

i've only had your mom in her bed and on the kitchen table, never been down to the basement.

[Imsmarterthanu]

i've only had your mom in her bed and on the kitchen table, never been down to the basement.




Wager type : Straight Bet

Sport : MMA Martial Arts
Selection : Igor Pokrajac 5/15/2012 8:00 PM - (EST)
Money Line +145 for Game
Amount : Risking 500.00 To Win 725.00 USD

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