Future Fights Thread

**JIBBBY** · 10-13-16, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Wohlford

El Cucuy almost got finished by Landon Vanatta making his UFC debut on short notice. You might need say more.

Yeah he got clipped hard, rocked, wobbled, maintained and survived.. Remember El Cucuy HAS NEVER BEEN KO'd in his career to date.. That still holds true.. He was like a terminator against Edson Barbosa in the fight before that and walked right thru every thing Edson threw at him.. Finished that fight as well..

I think Tony took Vanatta lightly and got caught big time, it happens.. As soon as he got his wits back he then dominated and got the choke out in 2nd round.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tony-Ferguson-31239

Tony has finished very tough fighters in 4 or his last 5 fights and I'm betting he finishes RDA in this 5 rounder.. RDA is not bullet proof..

1005 Ferguson wins inside distance

+249

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

great test for choi, excited for this bout

Me too. I saw Choi's last fight live and damn that kid hits hard. TDD not so great though and we don't really know how he is on the ground or what his gas tank looks like against UFC level competition in rounds 2 and 3. Sort of reminds me of an early UFC Conor

**JIBBBY** · 10-13-16, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Anybody hop on the Ronda fade train? I'm on at a price above +200. Can't remember what it was though. Just took it based off pure feel honestly

Yep, no brainer...

Rhoda gets hit a few times she'll remember what happen with Holly Holm.. Fear and doubt will creep in and she then will get her ass beat again.. Nunes is a tough chick and Rousey has been out for a long time now.. She's getting thrown right back to the wolves with Amanda...

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yeah he got clipped hard, rocked, wobbled, maintained and survived.. Remember El Cucuy HAS NEVER BEEN KO'd in his career to date.. That still holds true.. He was like a terminator against Edson Barbosa in the fight before that and walked right thru every thing Edson threw at him.. Finished that fight as well..

I think Tony took Vanatta lightly and got caught big time, it happens.. As soon as he got his wits back he then dominated and got the choke out in 2nd round.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tony-Ferguson-31239

Tony has finished very tough fighters in 4 or his last 5 fights and I'm betting he finishes RDA in this 5 rounder.. RDA is not bullet proof..

1005 Ferguson wins inside distance

+249

Not so sure about this one. I think if Ferguson does finish him it will probably be by submission but even then RDA is very tough to finish. Even after he got rocked by Alvarez he took 30+ shots to the head and body and was still on his feet with his senses intact when Herb Dean stopped the fight.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yep, no brainer...

Rhoda gets hit a few times she'll remember what happen with Holly Holm.. Fear and doubt will creep in and she then will get her ass beat again.. Nunes is a tough chick and Rousey has been out for a long time now.. She's getting thrown right back to the wolves with Amanda...

Who would you say has the cardio advantage here? I don't think it goes to the later rounds but both of them tend to pour a lot of energy into the first round and a half so I'm wondering who will have the advantage if it does go late.

**JIBBBY** · 10-13-16, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Who would you say has the cardio advantage here? I don't think it goes to the later rounds but both of them tend to pour a lot of energy into the first round and a half so I'm wondering who will have the advantage if it does go late.

Hard to tell, Rhonda's been out forever.. She experienced a severe concussion and some fighters are never the same after that.. I personally experienced a severe concussion from a fall and I was not the same for 6 months.. I didn't not want to be even touched in the head for half a year, I was fighting depression and short fused during the first 3 months.. I never got depressed in life either, never....

I have a feeling Rhonda was feeling the same I was after the concussion and that is why she was out of the sport so long and depressed.. Even a year later no telling how she is going to respond to that brutal KO... Cardio won't be a problem for Rhonda it's taking shots to the head with those small gloves from Amanda Nunes that might though...

Cardio might favor Rhonda slightly if the fight drags on.. I'm sure she'll be trained up and try to make this a grappling fight almost immediately.. We saw how poor and desperate her take down attempts were against Holly Holm and not so sure she can drag Amanda down and even dominate if she gets her there.....

I'll be on Amanda ITD in this fight as well..

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Hard to tell, Rhonda's been out forever.. She experienced a severe concussion and some fighters are never the same after that.. I personally experienced a severe concussion from a fall and I was not the same for 6 months.. I didn't not want to be even touched in the head for half a year, I was fighting depression and short fused during the first 3 months.. I never got depressed in life either, never....

I have a feeling Rhonda was feeling the same I was after the concussion and that is why she was out of the sport so long and depressed.. Even a year later no telling how she is going to respond to that brutal KO... Cardio won't be a problem for Rhonda it's taking shots to the head with those small gloves from Amanda Nunes that might though...

Cardio might favor Rhonda slightly if the fight drags on.. I'm sure she'll be trained up and try to make this a grappling fight almost immediately.. We saw how poor and desperate her take down attempts were against Holly Holm and not so sure she can drag Amanda down and even dominate if she gets her there.....

I'll be on Amanda ITD in this fight as well..

All good points Jibs. Amanda is very good on the ground and I wouldn't be shocked if she even subbed Ronda. Probably the worst matchup in the division for RR. I plan on still following the prop-or-pass rule for all WBW fights. There's almost never value in taking the favorite's moneyline.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 04:39 PM

Big bet on Daniel Cormier (-115). 11.5u to win 10u. I think he should be in the (-2xx) range and this is an easy play to hedge with Johnson by finish in the early rounds.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 05:13 PM

Nunes ITD (+179) makes me sad. Was hoping for like (+300).

**JIBBBY** · 10-13-16, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Big bet on Daniel Cormier (-115). 11.5u to win 10u. I think he should be in the (-2xx) range and this is an easy play to hedge with Johnson by finish in the early rounds.

Big on DC ITD myself... Might hedge a bit with Rumble by KO though are my early thoughts for insurance...

Rumble does have power so it's always a concern.. He did rock DC in the first fight early on as well..

Chances are DC dumps Rumble on his back and finishes him again at some point just like in the first fight.. Cardio and wrestling are HUGE in MMA and DC owns Rumble in both of those categories..

Rumble does have power and will throw bombs.. Only problem with that is DC has a granite chin...

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Big on DC ITD myself... Might hedge a bit with Rumble by KO though are my early thoughts for insurance...

Rumble does have power so it's always a concern.. He did rock DC in the first fight early on as well..

Chances are DC dumps Rumble on his back and finishes him again at some point just like in the first fight.. Cardio and wrestling are HUGE in MMA and DC owns Rumble in both of those categories..

Rumble does have power and will throw bombs.. Only problem with that is DC has a granite chin...

DC has every possible path to victory here so I really think this line is a gift. Will likely bet Cormier ITD and/or Cormier -5.5. Will mostly likely hedge with Johnson R1, R2.

Cormier has legitimately one of the most legendary chins in the history of the sport. Has fought enormous punchers even at HW and has never been finished. Johnson could catch him but I really like the value here on DC since he's proven he can beat AJ and I don't think Rumble can make it the distance with him.

**JIBBBY** · 10-13-16, 07:35 PM

^^ Can try the DC no action if it goes the distance prop... Well chances are DC wins a decision against Rumble anyways if he doesn't finish him.. Lay and Pray.. That bet doesn't apply in this fight I think with DC.. My bad for mentioning...

Just trying to get creative here

Well maybe Rumble no action if it goes the distance is an option depending on the odds.. Rumble either finishes or loses a decision is a likely scenario..

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-13-16, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^^ Can try the DC no action if it goes the distance prop... Well chances are DC wins a decision against Rumble anyways if he doesn't finish him.. Lay and Pray.. That bet doesn't apply in this fight I think with DC.. My bad for mentioning...

Just trying to get creative here

Well maybe Rumble no action if it goes the distance is an option depending on the odds.. Rumble either finishes or loses a decision is a likely scenario..

I agree about the Rumble Scorecards = No Action but don't think will get +odds and DC will likely finish him over the 5 round distance.

**Thrilla** · 10-14-16, 01:42 AM

- ESPN First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman: Does Ronda Rousey Deserve A Title Shot In UFC 207?
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**firekillex** · 10-14-16, 02:10 AM

I cringe every time I hear first take talk about mma , they literally know absolutely nothing ... Good to see mma/ UFC starting to hit the main streams guess it should be taken with a grain of salt and baby steps are needed but even asking if the main face / most dominant woman's champion in UFC history should get a rematch is just a waste of time lol... Only reason I hope Ronda can pull this out is to see cyborg completely starch her

I already bet Nunes just for the price mainly but i tend to disagree j think this matchup is actually decent for rousey if she's in the right mind state, she does well against aggressive fighters that push forward because it works right into her judo throws , watch how zingano threw around Nunes and tell me a primed rousey cannot do the same... Basically comes down to that if rousey can get her down then it's hers to win, if Nunes fights on the outside and plays patient which we haven't seen her done yet it's her fight as well.. But also rousey has the shittiesttt coach in all mma which is a big disadvantage imo, hard to tell if she's really into fighting anymore but she seems super competitive from everything I've ever seen from her I'm not sure she'd take a fight without being at 100% but we'll see .. Still money's on Nunes but won't be mad to see her win and get cyborg next because that would be absolutely wild. Still +200 Nunes on a toss up fight I'll take that all day long

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Nunes ITD (+179) makes me sad. Was hoping for like (+300).

Yep those odds are stingy... Rhonda by Submission could be a good hedge if you wanna play it safe.. That Rousey by (arm bar) Sub prop might not be at +odds though based on the Rousey ITD prop.

Amanda Nunes vs Ronda Rousey - Bantamweight 5 rounds - UFC 207


Fri 12/30	1003 Nunes / Rousey goes 5 round distance	+550
11:59PM	1004 Fight won’t go 5 round distance	-1050
Fri 12/30	1005 Nunes wins inside distance	+179
11:59PM	1006 Not Nunes inside distance	-255
Fri 12/30	1007 Nunes wins by 5 round decision	+1195
11:59PM	1008 Not Nunes by 5 round decision	-2585
Fri 12/30	1009 Rousey wins inside distance	-155
11:59PM	1010 Not Rousey inside distance	+115
Fri 12/30	1011 Rousey wins by 5 round decision	+1100
11:59PM	1012 Not Rousey by 5 round decision	-2300
Fri 12/30	1013 Nunes / Rousey draw	+9500
11:59PM	1014 Fight not a draw	-27500

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 11:36 AM

Legacy 61 on AXS tonight if anyone is bored and chomping at the bit for some MMA betting action.

http://www.legacyfights.net/legacy-fighting-championship-61-event-info/

AXS Fighting

Legacy FC 61 - Bantamweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3001 Mark De La Rosa	+140
11:59PM	3002 Steven Peterson	-180
Legacy FC 61 - Featherweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3101 Levi Mowles	+250
11:59PM	3102 Damon Jackson	-350
Legacy FC 61 - Strawweight 3 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3201 Montana Stewart	+300
11:30PM	3202 Mackenzie Dern	-420

Liking Jackson and Dern and will parlay those 2 up.. Gonna go small with the undefeated Mark De La Rosa as the dog...

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-14-16, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Legacy 61 on AXS tonight if anyone is bored and chomping at the bit for some MMA betting action.

http://www.legacyfights.net/legacy-fighting-championship-61-event-info/

AXS Fighting

Legacy FC 61 - Bantamweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3001 Mark De La Rosa	+140
11:59PM	3002 Steven Peterson	-180
Legacy FC 61 - Featherweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3101 Levi Mowles	+250
11:59PM	3102 Damon Jackson	-350
Legacy FC 61 - Strawweight 3 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3201 Montana Stewart	+300
11:30PM	3202 Mackenzie Dern	-420

Liking Jackson and Dern and will parlay those 2 up.. Gonna go small with the undefeated Mark De La Rosa as the dog...

Is there value on Dern at (-420)? She seems pretty green and missed weight.

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Is there value on Dern at (-420)? She seems pretty green and missed weight.

Dern has some hype riding behind her, well from what I've read and what ever information was available on them....

Montana Stewart (5-2) and Mackenzie Dern (1-0). If you aren’t familiar with Dern, you might easily be surprised to see a fighter with one pro fight facing one with seven. Dern is the daughter of BJJ legend, Wellington ‘Megaton’ Dias and holds multiple accolades including in 2015 winning both the BJJ World Championships and No-Gi World Championships. Dern’s debut saw her beat by decision an incredibly tough and durable opponent in Kenia Rosas (0-1) at LFC 58

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 03:20 PM

Legacy FC 61 - Featherweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3101 Levi Mowles	+250
11:59PM	3102 Damon Jackson	-350

Thinking the better wrestler Jackson doesn't get sub'd by Mowles and wins this probably by decision.. Wish there were props out on these 3 fights, I would have normally hedged Mowles by Sub...

I'm thinking Jackson was good enough to make it to the UFC so he's probably good enough to beat Mowles regardless of both fighters grappling credentials.... Odds reflect that though unfortunately..

Levi Mowles (4-1) and Damon Jackson (9-1-1). “The Leech” Jackson formerly held the featherweight belt and vacated it when he went to the UFC. Suffering a loss, a draw and a no contest at the UFC, Jackson has returned to Legacy determined to vindicate himself and ready to show the world that his last fights aren’t what defines him. Mowles on the other hand is a young and hungry fighter, but is stepping up a weight class to compete. A Jiu Jitsu standout at an early age, this will be his fifth Legacy fight, with his only loss being via decision to Tony Kelley (5-1) in May of last year. Jackson possesses good wrestling, so it will be interesting to see if this becomes a grappling battle or a stand up fight. Mowles is hoping that a win will see him move into position to challenge the winner of the main event.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-14-16, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Legacy FC 61 - Featherweight 5 rounds - The Bomb Factory - Dallas, Texas - AXS
Fri 10/14	3101 Levi Mowles	+250
11:59PM	3102 Damon Jackson	-350

Thinking the better wrestler Jackson doesn't get sub'd by Mowles and wins this probably by decision.. Wish there were props out on these 3 fights, I would have normally hedged Mowles by Sub...

I'm thinking Jackson was good enough to make it to the UFC so he's probably good enough to beat Mowles regardless of both fighters grappling credentials.... Odds reflect that though unfortunately..

Levi Mowles (4-1) and Damon Jackson (9-1-1). “The Leech” Jackson formerly held the featherweight belt and vacated it when he went to the UFC. Suffering a loss, a draw and a no contest at the UFC, Jackson has returned to Legacy determined to vindicate himself and ready to show the world that his last fights aren’t what defines him. Mowles on the other hand is a young and hungry fighter, but is stepping up a weight class to compete. A Jiu Jitsu standout at an early age, this will be his fifth Legacy fight, with his only loss being via decision to Tony Kelley (5-1) in May of last year. Jackson possesses good wrestling, so it will be interesting to see if this becomes a grappling battle or a stand up fight. Mowles is hoping that a win will see him move into position to challenge the winner of the main event.

Don't think I'll bet this event since I'll be at Combate Americas tonight but I'll definitely check out the results. Best of luck with your bets Jibs!

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 03:29 PM

Main event write up is -

The main event sees Steven Peterson (14-4) defend his 135 lb title against undefeated Mark De La Rosa (7-0). Peterson won the title in June of this year when he defeated Enrique Vasquez (9-2) via TKO. Peterson has been developing as a fighter since moving to Octagon MMA, and is looking to add a seventh win to his impressive current winning streak. De La Rosa is another versatile fighter coming out of the team Takedown camp. De La Rosa started training as a youth in boxing, before taking up Jiu Jitsu at the age of fourteen. A very tactical fighter who looks to take advantage of his opponent’s weaknesses, he is an excellent opponent for Peterson who will be looking to stamp his seal of dominance on the division.

**JIBBBY** · 10-14-16, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Don't think I'll bet this event since I'll be at Combate Americas tonight but I'll definitely check out the results. Best of luck with your bets Jibs!

Enjoy..

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 11:48 AM

DC down to (-160) on 5Ds

**bjpenn85** · 10-16-16, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

DC down to (-160) on 5Ds

i took him at -120, knew the line was a gift.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

i took him at -120, knew the line was a gift.

Yup. Love that spot. Easy hedge play too

**bjpenn85** · 10-16-16, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Yup. Love that spot. Easy hedge play too

Hopefully the fight wont end up looking like AJ vs Phil davis. Then we loose on both cormier and round 1/round 2 hedge.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Hopefully the fight wont end up looking like AJ vs Phil davis. Then we loose on both cormier and round 1/round 2 hedge.

It will be difficult for Johnson to maintain that pace for 5 rounds and not get finished. Even if AJ does not get taken down at all in the early rounds, he just doesn't strike me as a guy who will win many championship fights unless he gets an early finish.

**Thrilla** · 10-16-16, 03:19 PM

- UFC President Dana White talks with Jason Whitlock about Ronda Rousey's return to the octagon at UFC 207, facing Amanda Nunes for the belt instead of Cyborg, Conor McGregor's outrageous fine and more.

**bjpenn85** · 10-16-16, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

It will be difficult for Johnson to maintain that pace for 5 rounds and not get finished. Even if AJ does not get taken down at all in the early rounds, he just doesn't strike me as a guy who will win many championship fights unless he gets an early finish.

True, we will probably see AJ breath heavy and have difficulty with maintaining the necessary distance from cormier. Even if cormier wont get the early takedowns the clinch and grappling exchanges will probably drain AJ and the fight will look a lot like the last one. Cormier did look pretty bad against Anderson Silva and that should be a bit concerning though. I do think he played it safe, and wasnt really prepared. Anderson silva is also better from the back, which may have led to cormier being a bit hesitant to pass and loose position to end up standing when he could just ride out the fight in guard.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Thrilla

- UFC President Dana White talks with Jason Whitlock about Ronda Rousey's return to the octagon at UFC 207, facing Amanda Nunes for the belt instead of Cyborg, Conor McGregor's outrageous fine and more.

If you had to set the odds for Cyborg/Rousey as a 5-round bout for the Women's Bantamweight Belt, where would you set them?

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

True, we will probably see AJ breath heavy and have difficulty with maintaining the necessary distance from cormier. Even if cormier wont get the early takedowns the clinch and grappling exchanges will probably drain AJ and the fight will look a lot like the last one. Cormier did look pretty bad against Anderson Silva and that should be a bit concerning though. I do think he played it safe, and wasnt really prepared. Anderson silva is also better from the back, which may have led to cormier being a bit hesitant to pass and loose position to end up standing when he could just ride out the fight in guard.

Yeah he did lay and pray that one but I don't take much away from that performance. Cormier had everything to lose but still controlled the fight and landed takedowns at will.

**Thrilla** · 10-16-16, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

If you had to set the odds for Cyborg/Rousey as a 5-round bout for the Women's Bantamweight Belt, where would you set them?

According to MMAOddsBreaker.com, Rousey was listed as the -450 favorite in a hypothetical bout versus Justino, who was labeled as the +360 underdog. This was before her Holm fight.

I would set it right now @ pick'em. Maybe Cyborg small favourite. If Kalikas opens Cybrog +360 odds I would pound it.

It will be biggest ppv in UFC history according to Dana White. Will the fight take in Brazil? hmmm....

**Hugo de Naranja** · 10-16-16, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Thrilla

According to MMAOddsBreaker.com, Rousey was listed as the -450 favorite in a hypothetical bout versus Justino, who was labeled as the +360 underdog. This was before her Holm fight.

I would set it right now @ pick'em. Maybe Cyborg small favourite. If Kalikas opens Cybrog +360 odds I would pound it.

It will be biggest ppv in UFC history according to Dana White. Will the fight take in Brazil? hmmm....

I think I'd have Cyborg around (-150).

**Sato** · 10-16-16, 04:24 PM

+360 for Justino. Lol.