UFC on Fuel TV 8: Sliva Vs Stann (March 02, 2013)

[Magik]

Hardest fights to predict are:

Hirota vs. Yahya
Fukuda vs. Tavares
Marcello vs. Tokudome
Caceres vs. Kang

Who do you guys have in these ones?

[Grabaka]

Struve is in a catch 22. On one end he wants to use his length and kicks and keep distance. On the other hand he needs to close distance to get a TD. Pretty confusing to mix in both.

Not confusing at all. Keep the distance and if distance is disturbed just grab. Pretty easy.

[Rubber Guard]

Not confusing at all. Keep the distance and if distance is disturbed just grab. Pretty easy.

Yea and if he grabs and clinches with little threat of a TD he is going to see a uppercut winging right up at him.

A guy needing to clinch to get a TD is going to expose himself far worse than a wrestler with a quick double leg shot from distance vs. Hunt.

How is distance going to be disturbed by Hunt if Struve really tries to just be an outside fighter? Is Hunt going to charge in? If Struve is keeping a kicking distance, how will he just grab Hunt? He will have to come forward to grab him. Eitehr way to get a TD he will need to close the wide gap that he will keep when striking. That poses much problems when a guy like Hunt is coming after your chin when you get into range.

Struve has never been great at knowing how to use his length. Not many tall guys with range, also want to get a TD and be on the ground. The only guy that comes to mind that does this well is Bones. And Bones i one of the 3 best fighters on the planet and is a faaaaaar better wrestler/thrower/tripper from clinch.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

man Okami nearing +200, gotta take a shot here with this fight in Japan.

[Grabaka]

Yep i agree with that but i just said it wasnt cofusing and still think so. But anyway dumb subject of discussion.


Hunt reminds me of a "kiss chocolate". He has such a fat base that its hard to tumble him off.

[Rubber Guard]

For a guy who never seems to know how to use his 7 foot length, it may be confusing.

[PaperTrail07]

struve schaub would be a good fight

[BIGDAY]

man Okami nearing +200, gotta take a shot here with this fight in Japan.

Waiting for reduced on him.

[Rubber Guard]

Do you guys think he can get and keep Lombard down? Or do you think he has a decent chance at out-striking him?

[The iron sheik]

I don't.

It's probably going to be jabbing all day, with Lombard trying to convince Okami to do what some other people do (which is ram their face into his fist when he throws it periodically and predictably).

[omalley21]

He may be a little underrated.

But do you see him easily getting a TD? What TD will he use, a trip from clinch? Struve is so big that he tends to be slow and awkward. Standing it is a no brainer, unless Struve stays 7 feet away and uses kicks the whole time. But Struve doesn't have the best fighting IQ.

As a dog, I don't see how Hunt isn't value? His win over Kongo is probably better than any win Struve has had in his career.

It is a fun and odd matchup. Obviously you have to look at Struve's length and size. But Hunt has fought a lot of different guys in MMA and kickboxing, he has ran into all sorts of styles. Struve can surely sub him on the ground...problem is, how does it get there? Hunt is the superior striker no doubt about it.

Hunt is far better than Barry or Lavar standing. And he probably has a better/more experience ground game. He is a stocky strong guy who doesn't just wing punches like Lavar.

After watching more tape, I agree with you. I was thinking it would be difficult for Hunt to land on him because of the height but I now think its inevitable that Hunt will connect. But I was originally picturing Struve jumping on standing guillotine or pulling guard. Hunt in round 1 +300.

[hobbesITD]

Do you guys think he can get and keep Lombard down? Or do you think he has a decent chance at out-striking him?

Both. Lombard is B-League trash fighting a gigantic middleweight wrestler.

[Bradbatross]

Hardest fights to predict are:

Hirota vs. Yahya
Fukuda vs. Tavares
Marcello vs. Tokudome
Caceres vs. Kang

Who do you guys have in these ones?

Hirota's going to destroy Yahya. For the other fights I have Tavares Marcello and Caceres.

[ukgaz]

Yea and if he grabs and clinches with little threat of a TD he is going to see a uppercut winging right up at him.

A guy needing to clinch to get a TD is going to expose himself far worse than a wrestler with a quick double leg shot from distance vs. Hunt.

How is distance going to be disturbed by Hunt if Struve really tries to just be an outside fighter? Is Hunt going to charge in? If Struve is keeping a kicking distance, how will he just grab Hunt? He will have to come forward to grab him. Eitehr way to get a TD he will need to close the wide gap that he will keep when striking. That poses much problems when a guy like Hunt is coming after your chin when you get into range.

Struve has never been great at knowing how to use his length. Not many tall guys with range, also want to get a TD and be on the ground. The only guy that comes to mind that does this well is Bones. And Bones i one of the 3 best fighters on the planet and is a faaaaaar better wrestler/thrower/tripper from clinch.

I think staying on the outside in this fight would be a mistake for Struve. He has never been a great distance fighter. If he throws a kick I can see a big overhand right from hunt coming. If he decides to use a jab game I dont see him bringing his hand back quick enough to defend the clearly coming counter strike.

Great fight!

[eligibletackle]

I like Mizugaki -210, too big for caraway, too rangy

okami vs lombard will look like 2 different weight classes but lombard's tdd is no joke. okami can easily wall and stall the 3rd, i hope okami bettors are hoping for super boring fight b/c that seems like his best way to win. i might have to put a little on okami just giving the reach advantage

[Nick Papageorgio]

Struve to pick apart hunt from the outside similar to what Schultz did to hunt in k-1 in 2007, if you watch this fight hunt was picked apart with ease and never landed. Hunt will need round 1 if he wants to win this fight, we all know Struve starts slow. Hunts only chance, to catch stefan coming in wrecklessly similar to most of his ko losses. Should be a great fight to lay some lumber down "in-play"if it goes past the first. Another thing to note is hunt coming off knee surgery, not sure if those low kicks will have as much mustard as usual.

[Rubber Guard]

Both. Lombard is B-League trash fighting a gigantic middleweight wrestler.

Gigantic? Lombard is bigger and stronger than Okami. Okami is just taller. Okami has never beat a guy with the base Lombard has, he is an Olympic Judoka, with a stocky, compact, strong body. Lombard is like 5'9 but with ZERO chance to make 170. He is a rock. Okami will have a very tough time getting him to the ground unless Lombard gasses.

[MD]

Gigantic? Lombard is bigger and stronger than Okami. Okami is just taller. Okami has never beat a guy with the base Lombard has, he is an Olympic Judoka, with a stocky, compact, strong body. Lombard is like 5'9 but with ZERO chance to make 170. He is a rock. Okami will have a very tough time getting him to the ground unless Lombard gasses.

Lombard is clearly smaller than Okami. Much smaller. He could certainly make 170.

That said, I don't think it matters. Lombard's base is incredible and your point is correct. Okami should have a very hard time getting a takedown on Lombard for as long as Lombard remains un-gassed.

[Sykes]

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFC?v=pdY82V9PhtQ

[NunyaBidness]

What's with the dong show tonight?

[John Bugara]

placed small individual bets on siyar, gomi, struve, and wandy. hoping it'll be the night of the dogs, gomi and wandy are two of my all time favourites as well. really looking forward to this card will be a lot of fun.

[Rubber Guard]

Lombard is clearly smaller than Okami. Much smaller. He could certainly make 170.

That said, I don't think it matters. Lombard's base is incredible and your point is correct. Okami should have a very hard time getting a takedown on Lombard for as long as Lombard remains un-gassed.

Do you know how much muscle he would have to lose to make 170? I bet he cuts from 215 plus. He is thicker everywhere including unit. He has wider shoulders. Okami is a big MW. But height isn't everything when factoring size.

Might say Okami is slightly bigger, but it isn't much of an advantage other than his reach if he can use it.

[omalley21]

Do you know how much muscle he would have to lose to make 170? I bet he cuts from 215 plus. He is thicker everywhere including unit. He has wider shoulders. Okami is a big MW. But height isn't everything when factoring size.

Might say Okami is slightly bigger, but it isn't much of an advantage other than his reach if he can use it.

Im pretty sure Lombards camp has said he could make 170.

[Fragoel2]

Any love for Silva? Stann is overrated and in a weight class that is not is own. Silva was in good shape in his last fight.

[Vaughany]

Any love for Silva? Stann is overrated and in a weight class that is not is own. Silva was in good shape in his last fight.

Well Wanderlei has also been fighting at a lower weight class

[Vaughany]

Stann will TKO Canderlei then do a speech about the troops out there and then will thank his wife who he's just got preggerz

[Vaughany]

lol Gareth Davies before those weigh-ins going on about earthquakes and Wanderlei hitting pads! Apparently Wand said he considered using his BJJ but then said nah I'll stand and bang!

[Imsmarterthanu]

I've got Lombard winning pretty easily

[Crassus]

Got some U on Silva by KO/TKO, Hunt by KO/TKO, Kyung Ho-Kang, Dong Hyun Kim.

[MD]

Do you know how much muscle he would have to lose to make 170? I bet he cuts from 215 plus. He is thicker everywhere including unit. He has wider shoulders. Okami is a big MW. But height isn't everything when factoring size.

Might say Okami is slightly bigger, but it isn't much of an advantage other than his reach if he can use it.

Not much, I'd say. And height is a huge factor when determining weight. Two or three inches adds a considerable amount of weight.

Okami doesn't have a big reach edge, either.

[Rubber Guard]

Not much, I'd say. And height is a huge factor when determining weight. Two or three inches adds a considerable amount of weight.

Okami doesn't have a big reach edge, either.

I agree, height is a huge factor in weight. That is why I said Okami's size isn't much of a factor. He is "bigger" because he is taller. But Lombard is put together much stronger. Okami is at his best when he can physically impose his will on his opponents. And I doubt much of anyone is going to physically dominate Lombard when he is fresh. Gassing is another story. But in my eyes size isn't a factor in this fight at all. Lombard's base and strength will be a handful for Okmai to try and bump and grind. Boetsch said trying to take Lombard down is like trying to take down a wall. And everyone thought Boetsch was such a beast physically at 185 when he dropped there. Boetsch may be one of the stronger guys in the division. Of course Okami has better technique, but I highly doubt he will go in there and grapple Lombard.

He will have to play the Boetsch pick apart from the outside plan and hope Lombard shows up uninterested again.

[MD]

I agree, height is a huge factor in weight. That is why I said Okami's size isn't much of a factor. He is "bigger" because he is taller. But Lombard is put together much stronger. Okami is at his best when he can physically impose his will on his opponents. And I doubt much of anyone is going to physically dominate Lombard when he is fresh. Gassing is another story. But in my eyes size isn't a factor in this fight at all. Lombard's base and strength will be a handful for Okmai to try and bump and grind. Boetsch said trying to take Lombard down is like trying to take down a wall. And everyone thought Boetsch was such a beast physically at 185 when he dropped there. Boetsch may be one of the stronger guys in the division. Of course Okami has better technique, but I highly doubt he will go in there and grapple Lombard.

He will have to play the Boetsch pick apart from the outside plan and hope Lombard shows up uninterested again.

I agree with you, he's going to have far too much trouble with Lombard's strength to implement a purely grappling gameplan.

I don't think Okami has the leg kicks for Boetsch's game plan. My problem with this fight is simply that I didn't think Lombard looked different in his last fight. He did exactly what Lombard does, which is what he did in the Boetsch fight, but it just happened to work that time, so people thought he looked better. I didn't. Is it enough for me to bet on Okami? Not at these odds. Lombard by KO, probably.

[John Bugara]

I agree with you, he's going to have far too much trouble with Lombard's strength to implement a purely grappling gameplan.

I don't think Okami has the leg kicks for Boetsch's game plan. My problem with this fight is simply that I didn't think Lombard looked different in his last fight. He did exactly what Lombard does, which is what he did in the Boetsch fight, but it just happened to work that time, so people thought he looked better. I didn't. Is it enough for me to bet on Okami? Not at these odds. Lombard by KO, probably.

I think you're on to something. Lombard has almost exclusively fought flat footed and we've seen okami utilize stiff jabs and good footwork in the past. Lombard is one of my favourites but i think this is match up for him is a recipe for a boring okami decision. I really liked some of the odds i've seen on okami and footwork truly does go a long way in this sport but i can't bring myself to bet against a beast like hector.

[omalley21]

I do agree with wanna bet about Wanderlei's resilience being greatly underestimated. The guy is a true warrior, combined with fighting in japan, will make him a tough out. Although his chin is shot, being at 205 will help his recovery even more. He has heart for days. I think this goes longer than most expect.

[KyleFall]

I don't think Okami has the leg kicks for Boetsch's game plan. My problem with this fight is simply that I didn't think Lombard looked different in his last fight. He did exactly what Lombard does, which is what he did in the Boetsch fight, but it just happened to work that time, so people thought he looked better. I didn't. Is it enough for me to bet on Okami? Not at these odds. Lombard by KO, probably.

I think you're on to something. Lombard has almost exclusively fought flat footed and we've seen okami utilize stiff jabs and good footwork in the past. Lombard is one of my favourites but i think this is match up for him is a recipe for a boring okami decision. I really liked some of the odds i've seen on okami and footwork truly does go a long way in this sport but i can't bring myself to bet against a beast like hector.

Gotta back Bugara on this one. I like my money on Okami.