GOLDENGREEK's 2011 MLB SEASON LONG THREAD

[Double Bogey]

IDK why all the hate for wandalsh? Last I checked this was a forum where you can discuss the game..didn't really see him say a bad word about greek or his picks. He's brought up some valid points too

The idea that he's not allowed to vent about his bad beats is ridiculous. The idea he must post about lucky wins again ridiculous.

[wandalsh84]

You said of course they talk about the bad beats and not the lucky ones, just like poker players.....not means never.

I hear it all in the poker room, spend lots of time there. Horseshoe Hammond...you can find me there if you want if you're from Chicago

[ICantBet]

HE DIDNT LOSE ANYONE MONEY! PEOPLE LOST IT THEMSELVES! nobody can blame greek for any losing picks. everyone ultimately makes their own decisions and should never bet a team or a certain amount of units because he said so especially if they know nothing about the matchup

Nobody can blame him, and people do make their own picks. I agree 100%... im not arguing this whatsoever. Its all the excuses that get me going. Also with this thread having so many views, it makes people trust it as a reilable source and people will go with ehat he says more often than not. If you are going to be playing plays at 20 and 25 units and posting them on a public forum FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW YOU, you should be as sure as a bet can be.

[wandalsh84]

The idea that he's not allowed to vent about his bad beats is ridiculous. The idea he must post about lucky wins again ridiculous.

Again, I haven't seen GG on here venting about tonight's beat at all....I saw a bunch of followers venting about his loss and the cheating refs

[Double Bogey]

lol you got me, I clearly meant poker players NEVER speak of lucky suckouts. Now you're just being a moron.

[Double Bogey]

Again, I haven't seen GG on here venting about tonight's beat at all....I saw a bunch of followers venting about his loss and the cheating refs

You were complaining how he never acknowledges his lucky wins, like he's required to do so for some bizarre reason.

[ICantBet]

The idea that he's not allowed to vent about his bad beats is ridiculous. The idea he must post about lucky wins again ridiculous.

He is allowed. But with the complaints could also come comments about how a team rallied to get a lucky or heroic win late that he thought was a lost cause. I am not saying he has to, it would just make him more respecatable IMO

[wandalsh84]

Nobody can blame him, and people do make their own picks. I agree 100%... im not arguing this whatsoever. Its all the excuses that get me going. Also with this thread having so many views, it makes people trust it as a reilable source and people will go with ehat he says more often than not. If you are going to be playing plays at 20 and 25 units and posting them on a public forum FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW YOU, you should be as sure as a bet can be.

Exactly, almost all his wagers are 1 - 10, so he could have done 10 and everyone would have known it was a serious play, but 25 is like, lock of the year imo

[R23k]

You said of course they talk about the bad beats and not the lucky ones, just like poker players.....not means never. I hear it all in the poker room, spend lots of time there. Horseshoe Hammond...you can find me there if you want if you're from Chicago

Wow you really are a homo; from Chicago and rooting for the Heat.

[Greekster]

lmao, these guys have a hard on for GG. They want to so desperately prove he is just lucky and people shouldn't tail his picks. As if everybody is in a trance or something and they don't understand that there are no guarantees in gambling.

They act as if they are protecting us from evil.

Jealousy and hate..what an ugly thing.

[Double Bogey]

Exactly, almost all his wagers are 1 - 10, so he could have done 10 and everyone would have known it was a serious play, but 25 is like, lock of the year imo

I do agree with you there. I personally never have a play greater than 5% of my bankroll. His units however are not based on % of bankroll, and instead a flat amount. He's betting his acumulated winnings. But this is not his responsibility, it's up to each individual how to bet which is comfortable to them.

[wandalsh84]

Wow you really are a homo; from Chicago and rooting for the Heat.

When did I root for the heat, I'm just being honest. Bulls choked. Even if they won this game it was still a long road to win the series. I'm a realist in all sports. I'm not like the Cubs fans that believe they can win it all each and every year

[joco]

all i know is gg was killin basketball before the last week and a half. i went 10-0 in nba when i started trailing him in nba. ive had to fade a couple times becuz i didnt agree with some of his recent plays but its respect regardless. and talkin sh1t to someone who loses is not respect. nobody likes a d!ck

[Greekster]

joco...great avatar by the way!

[ICantBet]

Oh and Miami went 6/6 down the stretch including 3 straight 3 pointers.....I suppose the refs guided those shots in. Whether Wade was or was not fouled on that 3, he still hit the 3. If he missed it and the foul is questionable, who cares if it was a 3 pt or a 4 pt play.....the Heat played the Bulls all game just to win it in the end after Derek Rose's legs were dead. I'm from Chicago, die hard Bulls, Hawks, Bears, and Sox fan....that's the fu*&in truth....all you degenerate gamblers that aren't fans can suck it

R23k you sure about that?

[wandalsh84]

I do agree with you there. I personally never have a play greater than 5% of my bankroll. His units however are not based on % of bankroll, and instead a flat amount. He's betting his acumulated winnings. But this is not his responsibility, it's up to each individual how to bet which is comfortable to them.

It is the player's responsibility, but if say their units are $10 only and so they normally bet like $30 per game, but then saw this lock by him and threw $150 on it, that hurts. $150 isn't a lot of money, but maybe to this person it is.

There's no code here, but I do think it was a bit irresponsible to the followers for him to chase

[wandalsh84]

all i know is gg was killin basketball before the last week and a half. i went 10-0 in nba when i started trailing him in nba. ive had to fade a couple times becuz i didnt agree with some of his recent plays but its respect regardless. and talkin sh1t to someone who loses is not respect. nobody likes a d!ck

I agree and he got cold and then I think he was chasing. Why would he have a series bet on the bulls prior to the start and then bet the Bulls on the series again tonight....if that's not a chase I don't know what is. I never talked any trash about GG though when this all started. Now i'm questioning some of his play as the responsibility to this forum, but he still has an amazing record

[Double Bogey]

It is the player's responsibility, but if say their units are $10 only and so they normally bet like $30 per game, but then saw this lock by him and threw $150 on it, that hurts. $150 isn't a lot of money, but maybe to this person it is.

There's no code here, but I do think it was a bit irresponsible to the followers for him to chase

I disagree, I believe in personal responsibility. If you are placing the bet, you're responsible. It would be a different case if he was collecting money from people and placing bets for the group.

[joco]

thanks greekster

[ICantBet]

lmao, these guys have a hard on for GG. They want to so desperately prove he is just lucky and people shouldn't tail his picks. As if everybody is in a trance or something and they don't understand that there are no guarantees in gambling. They act as if they are protecting us from evil. Jealousy and hate..what an ugly thing.

When did anyone state they shouldnt tail him. Dude is a beast at MLB, thats no joke. But GG was reckless when it came to these conference finals, and rather than admit there may have been tailing involved, people made excuses for the picks and he went with it and kept increasing his *. I like checking his baseball picks, as he kills it. But there was just some irresponsibilty in this conference championship round. No disrespect intended.

My last post of the night. NHL 11 playoffs start tonight. Good luck with your picks tonight everyone

[boondoggle]

Guys & Gals...lets be mature...no one forced you to bet. No one forced you to come into this thread and see 25* on the bulls ML.

You are being degenerates now and wanting to release that anxious pent up feeling of "oh my sh!t", I just lost a bunch of money.

rule 1, never gamble with money you cannot afford to lose

rule 2, when in doubt refer to rule 1

Lets end this silly kerfuffle.

[R23k]

R23k you sure about that?

Yes, I am from Chicago and dont know anyone (expecially if they claim to be bulls fans) who doesnt think the officiating was embarassing this series. I am not saying the Bulls should have won the series but it was so one sided it was obvious. I live out of state now and people here who can care less about the Bulls or the NBA think its a joke

Phil Jackson would have been fined $100K after game 2 if he was the bulls coach

[wandalsh84]

I disagree, I believe in personal responsibility. If you are placing the bet, you're responsible. It would be a different case if he was collecting money from people and placing bets for the group.

My only problem is what I think of the type of gamblers on him and I guess it's not his fault or responsibility, but I feel like there are just some idiot followers on here that are probably just getting owned by the book b/c of a play like this, but I guess it's not his problem, but I know there are fools on here.

Yesterday He had Boston @ Cleveland -170 and I just said that I don't see the value on this play at this price and I thought the value was on the over, b/c runs will be scored and obviously you get a much better price on the total. People again jumped all over me, like saying i don't see the value is saying it's a loser bet. Not, just didn't see the value at taking a road team against the best home team in baseball at -170, but fools in here didn't understand that.

GG explained it basically saying the value is in the line creation b/c why would Vegas beg you to take Cleveland at that great price...made sense and it was a winner.

[joco]

I agree and he got cold and then I think he was chasing. Why would he have a series bet on the bulls prior to the start and then bet the Bulls on the series again tonight....if that's not a chase I don't know what is. I never talked any trash about GG though when this all started. Now i'm questioning some of his play as the responsibility to this forum, but he still has an amazing record

fair enough. he did have series bets on the thunder n the bulls which is why he chased but thats him. thats why we can always fade. ultimately hes not responsible for what we play he only tells us what hes playing if we wanna go along for the ride. anyone does so at their own risk

[wandalsh84]

Yes, I am from Chicago and dont know anyone (expecially if they claim to be bulls fans) who doesnt think the officiating was embarassing this series. I am not saying the Bulls should have won the series but it was so one sided it was obvious. I live out of state now and people here who can care less about the Bulls or the NBA think its a joke

Phil Jackson would have been fined $100K after game 2 if he was the bulls coach

I never said the refs didn't screw the Bulls, I just stated that the bulls made one shot down the stretch, so the refs had no hand in the Bulls not being able to execute. The Bulls played as if this was the damn NCAA and they could simply run down the clock to hold onto a 10 pt lead. The Heat pressed and forced turnovers and ran the ball in transition allowing for easier shots, when not allowing the Bulls D to set up....that's the damn truth. Refs certainly didn't help us in any games, but Bulls had their chances and didn't capitalize. How about Rose having the last shot in game 4 in regulation and trying to fade away over a much taller Lebron....take it to the cup. Also, I'm still pissed at Thibs for leaving us without a single timeout when we f*ckin really needed it!

[wandalsh84]

Really I guess most of this came out, just because of how frustrated I get when it comes to people with gambling. I agree everyone needs to be responsible for themselves and the rule pointed out don't gamble what you can't afford.

Thing that I think of with idiot people though is this situation. Pitcher goes 8 innings and has a 2-1 lead and is pulled for closer in 9th and closer blows game and everyone says, why didn't he finish. Pitcher gets left in and everyone says, why didn't you pull him...haha...yes, it's human nature, just frustrated slightly I guess at all the B*tching about it and it's probably coupled with my frustration that the Bulls just pissed that game away. I will continue to believe the bulls blew that game, b/c the refs only have so much pull.

[Double Bogey]

My only problem is what I think of the type of gamblers on him and I guess it's not his fault or responsibility, but I feel like there are just some idiot followers on here that are probably just getting owned by the book b/c of a play like this, but I guess it's not his problem, but I know there are fools on here.

Yesterday He had Boston @ Cleveland -170 and I just said that I don't see the value on this play at this price and I thought the value was on the over, b/c runs will be scored and obviously you get a much better price on the total. People again jumped all over me, like saying i don't see the value is saying it's a loser bet. Not, just didn't see the value at taking a road team against the best home team in baseball at -170, but fools in here didn't understand that.

GG explained it basically saying the value is in the line creation b/c why would Vegas beg you to take Cleveland at that great price...made sense and it was a winner.

Yeah, I saw that. Certainly didn't think you were out of line saying you didn't see value. As for the fools who blindly tail, they will always end up losing. The only way to make money is to figure out what works for you, and everyone is different. So if they wernt losing here, they'd be losing somewhere else. I don't believe it's a cappers responsibility to teach his followers bankroll management.

[wandalsh84]

On a positive note, the Dbacks closer didn't give up any in the 9th allowing my under 9.5 to hit......

[wandalsh84]

Yeah, I saw that. Certainly didn't think you were out of line saying you didn't see value. As for the fools who blindly tail, they will always end up losing. The only way to make money is to figure out what works for you, and everyone is different. So if they wernt losing here, they'd be losing somewhere else. I don't believe it's a cappers responsibility to teach his followers bankroll management.

Point taken, it's not their responsibility, but GG constantly says he "cares" about these followers, so make it a 10 unit pick you know, that's all. Oh well.

What I have been doing lately that has been working is picking teams in which I feel confident they will win the series and betting them every game regardless of the matchup. If the team wins the first two games, I don't bet the third game regardless of what matchup is. I feel like it also helps maybe cut out some of the bad luck. If one of the good matchups loses, maybe you pick it up the 3rd game and it's been working out.

Last weekend I liked Philly over Texas in the series. Philly won the first two, so I didn't bet Sunday, even though it was Oswalt v. Harrison, which seemed like a good matchup for Philly and sure enough, Oswalt Loses. I also took ChiSox over Dodgers and they split the first 2, so had to take Sox Sunday for series win.

[Double Bogey]

Yeah, but think throughout the series. Every time after game 1 the heat were in trouble the refs were there to keep them in the game. Starting with game 2, the bulls up by 6 or 7 after deng hits the half court shot, 4 quick phantom calls in 20 seconds to kill their momentum. End of the 3rd quarter tonight, same thing. Phantom calls, technicals on guys running away fom the refs, BS traveling calls on bulls end. Allowing it to be a 5 pt game starying he 4th, instead of at least double that. They did that all 4 games. Not saying the bulls would have definitely won without that help, but they sure would have had a shot. As far as my betting the bulls, with the series 3-1 I honestly thought it would be a fairly called game. But apparently th NBA didn't want to take a chance in letting the series go to game 6.

No doubt lebron and wade made great shots at the end, but without the officials keeping them in the game earlier, they wouldn't have been in position to win like that.

[Double Bogey]

Oh and I too was very dissapointed with thibs as he never protected his team from the officials, bad time outs, no adjustment to how the refs were affecting the game, etc... Hopefully he'll learn from this.

[m3junkie]

tough break gg, good luck tomorrow though

[wandalsh84]

Yeah, but think throughout the series. Every time after game 1 the heat were in trouble the refs were there to keep them in the game. Starting with game 2, the bulls up by 6 or 7 after deng hits the half court shot, 4 quick phantom calls in 20 seconds to kill their momentum. End of the 3rd quarter tonight, same thing. Phantom calls, technicals on guys running away fom the refs, BS traveling calls on bulls end. Allowing it to be a 5 pt game starying he 4th, instead of at least double that. They did that all 4 games. Not saying the bulls would have definitely won without that help, but they sure would have had a shot. As far as my betting the bulls, with the series 3-1 I honestly thought it would be a fairly called game. But apparently th NBA didn't want to take a chance in letting the series go to game 6.

No doubt lebron and wade made great shots at the end, but without the officials keeping them in the game earlier, they wouldn't have been in position to win like that.

I know, sucks and I expected it in game 3 and 4 @ Miami, but i agree that I thought we would get more calls tonight and God I hope Dirk stays hot and Dallas drops these fools

[wandalsh84]

Oh and I too was very dissapointed with thibs as he never protected his team from the officials, bad time outs, no adjustment to how the refs were affecting the game, etc... Hopefully he'll learn from this.

I respect him a lot and I guess expected more from him, which speaks high of him that we do expect that, but I guess we need to remember that he is a first year head coach.

Hopefully they all learn, but from what I saw in the playoffs, we do not have a championship team yet. I thought we did at end of regular season, but we still need one more big threat. Not sayin expected to win it all, but definitely didn't expect to get knocked out in 5.

[Double Bogey]

What I have been doing lately that has been working is picking teams in which I feel confident they will win the series and betting them every game regardless of the matchup. If the team wins the first two games, I don't bet the third game regardless of what matchup is. I feel like it also helps maybe cut out some of the bad luck. If one of the good matchups loses, maybe you pick it up the 3rd game and it's been working out.

That sounds similar to what Vegas gold does in his thread. I followed him last year, he was great until the end of the year when he gave back all his winnings from the year. I pretty much try to follow guys on their hot streaks on here and do my own capping as well. You just have to know when to recognize a losing streak and slow down. The most important thing though is money management. Never bet more than 5% or your roll and you'll stay in the game. Bet more when you win, bet less when you're losing. It's hard to do, because chasing in kind of instinctual. But extremely important.