John Morrison 2011 MLB

[Wilba]

Hey Wilba,

I am not sure how you can say that unless you are running your labby incorrectly. For example, with Overs/Unders they will average out close to 50% each side on the long run. Therefore your labby lines will clear.

I am sure you have been backtesting longer than me, I have only be doing it since January 2011. But from all the data I have seen, if labby is done correctly it will clear.

IceBet

Yeah that's right, over the long run overs/unders hit 50% each. and if you have an infinite bank roll, and infinite limits at your sportsbook, the labby will work in this situation. Given that infinite limits/roll is not possible, what will happen when you hit a run of 16+ unders straight?

situations like this - 16+ straight unders - it happens on average once a year. Clearing a labby line with a big enough starting amount to make you profit - unless you have many millions of dollars in your betting account and no limit from your book, you are not going to be able to cover the bets sizes of a 16 game lose streak

[Wilba]

Thanks Wilba...and do you do a 2-Game chase for ALL of Morrison's systems on the B and C bets only? And you buy points and play the runlines and pucklines still even though they have high juice?

yes to buying points and playing puck/runlines. The exception if NHL system - I backtested and when playing the P/L the C bets were the only bets with a high enough win % to actually make money. Coz of the high avg juice in the NHL bets, over the years that I tested, even the B bets lost money. Hence I only play C's on NHL V1. I don't have anything to do with the other JM systems, checked them out and they are all losers IMO

[NZT-48]

wow guys has anyone read JM's email about the upcoming B bet on the Yankees tomm? its even for him a whole new low of stupidity and moronic behavior if no one posts here later I will so u all can read it complete idiocracy he has come up woth some real made up smack but this one about takes the cake what a clown lol

[J.M. Disciple]

$$$ PRINTING SYSTEM

Date TEAM
(6/8) NYY vs BOS
6/8 CLE vs MIN
6/8 Tex vs DET
6/8 Phi vs LAD
6/8 STL vs HOU
6/8 SF vs Was


New lines for 6/8
4.83 / 4.83 / 4.83
14.28 / 14.28 / 14.28 / 14.28 / 14.28
18.74 / 18.74 / 18.74
5.37 / 5.37 / 5.37
2.5 / 2.5
2.5 / 2.5

Record: 8-10
Profit: -$98 ($5 unit size)


***NOTE***
System has not been fully back tested, so continue at your own RISK!

[J.M. Disciple]

yes to buying points and playing puck/runlines. The exception if NHL system - I backtested and when playing the P/L the C bets were the only bets with a high enough win % to actually make money. Coz of the high avg juice in the NHL bets, over the years that I tested, even the B bets lost money. Hence I only play C's on NHL V1. I don't have anything to do with the other JM systems, checked them out and they are all losers IMO

Wilba can you hit me up on skype or send me a PM on here about what systems you follow? I know your a profitable sports bettor...

JM NBA just B and C for 3 units?
JM MLB B and C for 3 units?
JM NHL v1 for how many units on C?

Wallco just C and D using labby?
Crusher after he won 4 straight or lost 4 straight and reverse it with labby method.

I know we discussed some other ones in the past, but these are the main ones im interested in.

Key focus is Wallco,Crusher MLB, JM MLB. Since its only MLB season right now.

Just PM me please your betting strategy please?
Im thinking 1.5 / 1.5 as a labby line.. Each # indicating # of units.

Thanks JMD

[J.M. Disciple]

I think crusher has now lost 7 straight... I hope you were using labby Wilba and not chasing the reverse.

If division leaders dont win tomorrow my bankroll is ... im not even going to say it.

I will have to probably cash out money i have left and wait for NBA season to come around again.

Hopefully my aggressive bankroll management in poker will work out over this next week or so.
Could really use some extra money in the bank right now....

Anyone feel like taking me under their wing for a stake? 50 / 50 split. Ill just follow the systems you tell me too.

PM me if your interested.

[goodone]

wow guys has anyone read JM's email about the upcoming B bet on the Yankees tomm? its even for him a whole new low of stupidity and moronic behavior if no one posts here later I will so u all can read it complete idiocracy he has come up woth some real made up smack but this one about takes the cake what a clown lol

Yeah, I've just read it, everytime when I think it can't get worse, he comes up with even more idiotic crap. You gotta admit, the man has some imagination power over there LOL

[goodone]

Yeah that's right, over the long run overs/unders hit 50% each. and if you have an infinite bank roll, and infinite limits at your sportsbook, the labby will work in this situation. Given that infinite limits/roll is not possible, what will happen when you hit a run of 16+ unders straight?

situations like this - 16+ straight unders - it happens on average once a year. Clearing a labby line with a big enough starting amount to make you profit - unless you have many millions of dollars in your betting account and no limit from your book, you are not going to be able to cover the bets sizes of a 16 game lose streak

Totally agree Wilba, I've got an example of NYM right from the start of this season where they hit 12 straight overs and 1 Push, can't really imagine how to survive a streak like this if you played unders. Unless you would use some kind of stop-loss strategy like stop playing after 3 straight losses and wait untill the trend breaks again.

04/14/11 O 7.5 -103
04/14/11 O 7.5 -107
04/13/11 O 7.5 -107
04/11/11 O 8.5 -105
04/10/11 O 8 110
04/09/11 O 8 111
04/08/11 O 7.5 101
04/07/11 O 7.5 111
04/06/11 O 9.5 114
04/05/11 P 8 -
04/03/11 O 8.5 -105
04/02/11 O 9 -103
04/01/11 O 7 -118

[NZT-48]

Yeah, I've just read it, everytime when I think it can't get worse, he comes up with even more idiotic crap. You gotta admit, the man has some imagination power over there LOL

u know whats funny is he would never ever take anyone up on that 1 million dollar challenge not saying he doesnt have it or whatever Im saying it would mean he'd have to reveal his true identity the fact he masks behind a fake doctorate and says he's name is John Morrison when its so obvious he's some asian guy up in MA b/c if u havent put the 2 and 2 together just look at that 16 yr old girl webite crap about affiliate marketing crap he tried to sell again it was some asian girl (last name of Nguyen) saying she makes 6 figures a week using clickbank and so on and so forth for those of u who know what Im referring to

not proof enough try sending him money for his system picks or whatever thru money gram or w union all asian dudes up in MA usually last name of Nguyen or something else this convo was covered mos ago in his most recent NBA thread by another poster but no one seem to give a crap

and lastly yes u will not make a profit over a 90 day period with his goofy sports champ selections they suck lots of people on this thread have bought them before in the past and they suck ass so dont anyone buy them if u are new here waste of your money even if u do get your purchase back wouldnt do it there crap just stick with his sytem plays only

[BetaB]

Some people here might as well worship labby as god as a few comment seem to think that any method that can pick out more than 40% pick will win money with Labby. In fact, the most important part in this is pick quality.

Basically, playing -EV on labby is like playing -EV large favorite. For example, a certain wager had 90% winning and @ -1100, probability told us that on average flat bet will lost you money. However, for a short while may be first 8 bets could easily went 8-0 and showing profit but variance will catch up eventually.Where as a +EV say 10% hit rate with 1100 odd might as well lost your money on your first 8 bets but in the long run it will show profit. This is precisely why bookmaker give more juice on long odd bet.

In the case of playing baseball over on labby line, you may be able to stay profitable more the most part but in the long run the juice will kill you. For instance, if you first 60 play went 40w - 20L and then suddenly the next 30 play went 5-25 how would you be able to keep on chasing? Since, 40 win would mean 60 units profit max but 5-25 would be a lot bigger minus.

In summary, anything that can't be profitable with flat bet won't magically become profitable with any chase system in the long run.

[pagodo]

Loved that Cardinals win, now it's the Astros for 2 units tonight.
Also, I wonder what's the bet going to be on the Red Sox at Yankees series, can't wait for the official plays from Wallco.

IceBet, thanks for the spreadsheets, they are very welcome

[IceBet]

Yeah that's right, over the long run overs/unders hit 50% each. and if you have an infinite bank roll, and infinite limits at your sportsbook, the labby will work in this situation. Given that infinite limits/roll is not possible, what will happen when you hit a run of 16+ unders straight?

situations like this - 16+ straight unders - it happens on average once a year. Clearing a labby line with a big enough starting amount to make you profit - unless you have many millions of dollars in your betting account and no limit from your book, you are not going to be able to cover the bets sizes of a 16 game lose streak

16 + Unders in a row is fine. These would be spread across many lines since there is a line per game. Plus using a 3 or 4 Strike Labby then the ones that do win clear very quickly.

IceBet

[IceBet]

Totally agree Wilba, I've got an example of NYM right from the start of this season where they hit 12 straight overs and 1 Push, can't really imagine how to survive a streak like this if you played unders. Unless you would use some kind of stop-loss strategy like stop playing after 3 straight losses and wait untill the trend breaks again.

04/14/11 O 7.5 -103
04/14/11 O 7.5 -107
04/13/11 O 7.5 -107
04/11/11 O 8.5 -105
04/10/11 O 8 110
04/09/11 O 8 111
04/08/11 O 7.5 101
04/07/11 O 7.5 111
04/06/11 O 9.5 114
04/05/11 P 8 -
04/03/11 O 8.5 -105
04/02/11 O 9 -103
04/01/11 O 7 -118

goodone you have to realize that NYM don't have a dedicated Labby line. Did every other team in MLB during the same period all have overs?

IceBet

[lawalahmed]

I think crusher has now lost 7 straight... I hope you were using labby Wilba and not chasing the reverse.

If division leaders dont win tomorrow my bankroll is ... im not even going to say it.

I will have to probably cash out money i have left and wait for NBA season to come around again.

Hopefully my aggressive bankroll management in poker will work out over this next week or so.
Could really use some extra money in the bank right now....

Anyone feel like taking me under their wing for a stake? 50 / 50 split. Ill just follow the systems you tell me too.

PM me if your interested.

Young Man calm down, Honestly i always enjoy ur post bcos i always grap one or two idea from it but then you are over doing everything....

Relax and think, what do you want... Money or Action ?

I always put this in mind, Betting World is about two things....

"CHOOSES AND CONTROL"

Therefore make a Choose and Control it..........

Example of good chooses : Walcco MLB ( A and C bet only ) on labby line(seperate labby line) .......

JM MLB ( B and C bet only ) Chase or labby ?

[BetaB]

. Any method where you increase stakes after a loss/losses is a chasing method.)

Not quite true here, there is another school of thought that you decrease you BR after a loss and increase it after a win. Basically, you start with number like 1-2-3-4 and a win will move you up the series, a loss moved you down(minimum number is still 1 though).

[BigOrangeBrother]

Bring on the Yankees "B" bet!!

[Glada Tartan]

Go Go Yanks!

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 85-6
System profit/loss: +15.53 units (finished series)
Since my first post: -4.74 units (70-6) (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.00 units)

(6/7/11) St. Louis (M/L) (A) – Win
(6/7/11) St. Louis (-1½) (A) – Win
(6/7/11) Houston (M/L) (A) – Loss
(6/7/11) N.Y. Yankees (M/L) (A) – Loss


(A) 46-43
(B) 18-25
(C) 12-13
(D) 7-6


Games for (6/8/11):
St. Louis @ Houston (M/L) (B) (2 units) *Official*(8:05 pm EDT)
Boston (M/L) @ N.Y. Yankees (B) (7:05 pm EDT)

We are playing the Houston bet for 2 units, to make up for unit not gained by St. Louis (M/L) win. If Houston loses, then the (C) bet for this series will be for 4 units, 8 if it goes to (D). Basically we are increasing each bet by 2 units instead of 1 for this series. Result: win 2+ units at same total risk amount.


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

[hagball52]

JM MLB System

2011 Official season series record 9-0 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 6-4
(B) 2-1
(C) 1-0
V2 plays 1-0
V3 system 1-1
Unofficial series 6-0

Official
(6/07/2011) NY Yankees (.523)v Boston (.520) R/L (A) Loss

Next Play
Official
(6/08/2011) NY Yankees (.521) v Boston (.523) M/L (B) (6/09 (C) if necessary)

Upcoming Plays
(6/09/2011) Detroit v Seattle

Notes: Lucky for us moneyline bettors that they lost by 2. The Yanks are favored today and the juice is not too high so it's actually a decent play. And to all of you who got that wild email from JM on his
"champselections" you know I posted his results earlier. He is horrible. His price used to be $500 for a year of picks now it's $2000 dollars a month plus 5% of your winnings. Dang this guy is smoking some good sh*t ! It reminds me of the story of a guy who was being run out of town by it's people and he gets out in front to make it look like a parade. There is no end to the lengths JM will go to. GL all today.

[hagball52]

Unfreakingreal Wallco. 3 days in a row now. Back to back.

[hagball52]

P.S. To the JM page. There are 5 possible sweeps today. Will update tomorrow.

[Wallco99]

Unfreakingreal Wallco. 3 days in a row now. Back to back.

I beat you this time. Hagball - 2 : Wallco - 1
Might be a good trend to try and keep up, as difficult as that may be if we were to do it intentionally.

[h00dini]

can maybe, just maybe.............hagball 52 and wallco 99 be one of the same?
both no picture
both two digits at the end of their names
both posts are very similar
both compliment each other constantly

[Wallco99]

That's the good thing about this thread, you get the picks without the attitude. Also love how "other" thread runners make references (almost daily to try to convince his sheep to stay on his farm) to MLB PLU$$$ being a failure, when in fact it is is the positive and 15+ units ahead of his. G's thread stands for "Geriatric", betting our nickles and dimes until we have amassed enough money to buy a bus ticket and take a trip to Atlantic City to do some actual playing. At the rate he is going, he should be there by October, if in fact you can get a bus ticket for $4. Lately, the only positives of his so called systems that he has to go on are the negatives of other systems, though all of them are ahead of his. But I guess the bold print makes him feel more secure about everything, talking down to EVERYBODY will get you real far in life.

[h00dini]

That's the good thing about this thread, you get the picks without the attitude. Also love how "other" thread runners make references (almost daily to try to convince his sheep to stay on his farm) to MLB PLU$$$ being a failure, when in fact it is is the positive and 15+ units ahead of his. G's thread stands for "Geriatric", betting our nickles and dimes until we have amassed enough money to buy a bus ticket and take a trip to Atlantic City to do some actual playing. At the rate he is going, he should be there by October, if in fact you can get a bus ticket for $4. Lately, the only positives of his so called systems that he has to go on are the negatives of other systems, though all of them are ahead of his. But I guess the bold print makes him feel more secure about everything, talking dowm to EVERYBODY will get you real far in life.

[Wallco99]

can maybe, just maybe.............hagball 52 and wallco 99 be one of the same?
both no picture
both two digits at the end of their names
both posts are very similar
both compliment each other constantly

That's pretty good, he'll have to get a picture. I've argued with you in the past, but that's pretty good!

[h00dini]

That's pretty good, he'll have to get a picture. I've argued with you in the past, but that's pretty good!

thank you, thank you very much.

[hagball52]

[quote=h00dini;10338357]can maybe, just maybe.............hagball 52 and wallco 99 be one of the same?
both no picture
both two digits at the end of their names
both posts are very similar
both compliment each other constantly


We could be Siamese twins. Who knows. we'll never tell.By the way thanks for sending the grim reaper into Cleveland to take care of business. I really needed that win.

[BCC585]

can maybe, just maybe.............hagball 52 and wallco 99 be one of the same?
both no picture
both two digits at the end of their names
both posts are very similar
both compliment each other constantly

ITZ A CONSPIRACY!!!1!!

[jolmscheid]

yes to buying points and playing puck/runlines. The exception if NHL system - I backtested and when playing the P/L the C bets were the only bets with a high enough win % to actually make money. Coz of the high avg juice in the NHL bets, over the years that I tested, even the B bets lost money. Hence I only play C's on NHL V1. I don't have anything to do with the other JM systems, checked them out and they are all losers IMO

Sweet...thanks for the info Wilba....so stick with only V1 for all of Morrison's systems:

*NBA --> Play B and C bets, buy points and play TO WIN 3 units on the 2-game Chase

*MLB --> Play B and C bets, play the Runline when needed and play TO WIN 3 units on the 2-game Chase

*NHL --> Play ONLY C bets, play the Puckline when needed and play TO WIN 3 units on the C game


I believe this is correct....thanks for the insight on this Wilba....

[lawalahmed]

Guys today is my birthday any cake for me ?

[jolmscheid]

And I assume it is the same for NFL...wait for B and C bets....thanks for all the help

[Wallco99]

ITZ A CONSPIRACY!!!1!!

We're busted. The "try to make everyone as much money as possible" conspiracy has finally been unveiled. I thought we could keep it a secret, but I guess not. Inspector hoodini has cracked the case. Maybe tomorrow I should post JM and Hagball could post mine, so we could really screw with everybody. lol. Good stuff.

[Wallco99]

Guys today is my birthday any cake for me ?

2+ slices on houston, and one scoop of Boston should fill you up! Happy birthday.

[hagball52]

Guys today is my birthday any cake for me ?

No but I won't insult you either. Happy Birthday.