John Morrison 2011 MLB

[J.M. Disciple]

For whoever stated i should bet the first three #s on my labby line, thats a complete joke.
If i start with $5
next line is 5 5
next line is 5 5 10

and im betting first 3 #s>.... thats exactly the same as a chase! Thats not how the labby was made to work.

Just like any system, when you introduce it, there are going to be lots of questions. Now that i have my system implemented in here to a certain extent, there should be a lot less questions and confusion.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY SYSTEM JUST PM ME SO THE THREAD IS NOT CLUTTERED FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

[NZT-48]

Anyone's book have Baltimore at +1.5 RL? I have 3 books (all locals) and 1 has it at +1.5RL. I am taking ML regardless, but Morrison may grade it a winner if Baltimore loses by 1 run.

good point bigblue not sure on that my (online) book has it as a alternate RL at +1 1/2 -180 but I took the ML since the +1 1/2 wasnt offered on the regular lines so lets hope that it doesnt come down to that kind of weird stuff where we lose by 1 run and he says later it was a winner blah blah stuff like he is known for in past emails and so forth

[J.M. Disciple]

Thanks limit...I guess the labby is where it's at with JM's system...I think there is opportunity to just do a 2-game chase, but just don't know which bets would make sense to do that with as I don't have the past year's results and avg. odds....I do think that NOT buying points and NOT playing runlines and pucklines may be better with the labby to save on juice...

There is a good reason we play ML and not PL or RL on favorites.
In MLB the favorite team wins about 58% of the time which is great if you are getting 1 to 1 odds. Because of the juice flat betting the favorites ML would lose you money.

Now of those 58 wins out of 100 on average. 30% of the 58 are going to only win by 1 run. thats 17 games!

so your 58 wins actually becomes 41 wins out of 100.
Yes the labby only needs 34% win % which makes betting RL profitable, however from 58% to 41% increases the variance a ton and your labby lines could get ridiculous.

[thelimit0310]

Thanks limit...I guess the labby is where it's at with JM's system...I think there is opportunity to just do a 2-game chase, but just don't know which bets would make sense to do that with as I don't have the past year's results and avg. odds....I do think that NOT buying points and NOT playing runlines and pucklines may be better with the labby to save on juice...

Here is how I play:

For JM MLB and NHL, play on a 2 line labby and play the Runlines/Pucklines when told as well. It may cost a little bit extra on juice, but the win record is great as the system at most losses 3 times a season. Usually it's only once. However I also lowered my unit size to compensate for the juice in case the unthinkable happens. When you lose, divide the losses through your numbers, don't add on to the line unless the numbers get too big. That way your always just a couple wins from clearing a line and being back in profit.

For JM NBA, I play on a 2 line labby as well. I do not buy the 3 pts and just play at -110 or ML if the team is a favorite of 3 or greater. I play all versions of this system, V1 V2 and V3, which at that point isn't even a system anymore. You literally just play any team going away for 3+ games. Conference doesn't matter at V3 level. On average, V1 loses 2 times a season, V2 loses 1 time a season, and V3 loses 2-3 times a season. The total plays for playing all 3 versions is about 150 games. So it's more than worth it IF you labby line.

[hagball52]

I did notice some line fluctuation on the BAL/OAK game where OAK may have moved to the favorite spot but I didn't see BAL offrered @ + run line. Game has already started so it's too late to do anything about it now. GL and go O's.

[h00dini]

*******new system*******

A. Minny (A)
B. Padres (A)

We take both teams to lose 1 game in their next three

[Wallco99]

I don't have exact numbers but I did run JM NBA last season and I believe every time we needed the 3 points to come into play it was exactly by 3 points. Meaning you still would have lost if you had bought 2 for every game, I think with the exception of once or twice. This is why I labby the system and play at -110 or ML odds, my book has 3 points for over -170 as well, and I don't like that price for every game.

The extra losses were minimal last season by not buying the points, did very well playing JM NBA at all -110.

[h00dini]

*******HOODINI SYSTEM*******

So we have now two systems going.

1st. Any first place team in their division who have lost three straight games, we chase to win on their next three. ML if favorites, RL if dogs.

2nd. Any last place team in their division who has won three straight games, we chase that they lose one game in their next three match ups. Again, ML if favorites, RL if dogs.

Me and a million to one


Just trying to contribute and make some extra moolah

[jolmscheid]

Thanks limit...so you divide a loss over one line or both of your lines? How big have your bets got in the past? Thanks limit...

[Wallco99]

I did notice some line fluctuation on the BAL/OAK game where OAK may have moved to the favorite spot but I didn't see BAL offrered @ + run line. Game has already started so it's too late to do anything about it now. GL and go O's.

Took Baltimore -1 1/2 @ +170, as I usually do. It's been working.

[J.M. Disciple]

*******new system*******

A. Minny (A)
B. Padres (A)

We take both teams to lose 1 game in their next three

MIN would actually be a (B) *they have won 4 straight now.

Just out of curiosity do you have record for this?

LOL i thought you were joking when you called it "new system" hahahaha Thought you were just trying to piss other people off.

[h00dini]

MIN would actually be a (B) *they have won 4 straight now.

Just out of curiosity do you have record for this?

LOL i thought you were joking when you called it "new system" hahahaha Thought you were just trying to piss other people off.

both.

[J.M. Disciple]

Thanks limit...so you divide a loss over one line or both of your lines? How big have your bets got in the past? Thanks limit...

I really don't like dividing your labby lines... Seems like a losing strategy unless you go on a heater.

for example if you start with
5 5 5 5 game 1 Lost
5 5 5 5 10 game 2 lost
5 5 5 5 10 15 game 3 lost
dont divide this line into
5 5 5 5 10 5 5 5 .... Does not seem right at all.

I would just average it out to
7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5

The limit does have more experience then me with the labby, so i could be wrong, but dividing a big loss 1# into 3 or 4 #s does not seem like a winning strategy to me.

[h00dini]

MIN would actually be a (B) *they have won 4 straight now.

Just out of curiosity do you have record for this?

LOL i thought you were joking when you called it "new system" hahahaha Thought you were just trying to piss other people off.

yes, minny is a B

[thelimit0310]

Thanks limit...so you divide a loss over one line or both of your lines? How big have your bets got in the past? Thanks limit...

I never remember them getting that big, depending on juice you can divide between 4 numbers (1 line) or 8 numbers (both lines). JM's system has never lost twice in a row from the data I've seen, so how i see it is the worst you can have before a line starts to clear is a C loss followed by a C win. Past performance doesn't mean it wont ever happen though...

[lawalahmed]

I don't have exact numbers but I did run JM NBA last season and I believe every time we needed the 3 points to come into play it was exactly by 3 points. Meaning you still would have lost if you had bought 2 for every game, I think with the exception of once or twice. This is why I labby the system and play at -110 or ML odds, my book has 3 points for over -170 as well, and I don't like that price for every game.

If i can still remember very well buying 3 points only save us once last season bcos i always buying 2 points throught last season........

[thelimit0310]

I really don't like dividing your labby lines... Seems like a losing strategy unless you go on a heater.

for example if you start with
5 5 5 5 game 1 Lost
5 5 5 5 10 game 2 lost
5 5 5 5 10 15 game 3 lost
dont divide this line into
5 5 5 5 10 5 5 5 .... Does not seem right at all.

I would just average it out to
7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5 / 7.5

The limit does have more experience then me with the labby, so i could be wrong, but dividing a big loss 1# into 3 or 4 #s does not seem like a winning strategy to me.

Close:

if you got to 5-5-5-5-10-15 and were dividing your losses through your line would look like:
11.25-11.25-11.25-11.25

if the next series wins, thats 22.50 out of the way, and you can turn your lines into:
6-6-6-6 basically where you started.

When that line clears, or if your next series clears if you stay at 11.25, you would have recovered your losses and gained initial profit all in 2 series.

On the other hand if you think 11.25 is too big for your comfort zone, you can add a number to the end, or even 2 (adding 2 is adding 1 extra win needed to clear the line, the same as 5-5-5-5-10-15).

Adding 2 numbers and dividing through looks like:
7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5 or as you called averaging it out. My aggressive method keeps me at 4 numbers. If your unit size is fairly small relative to bankroll, you shouldn't have a problem with it at all. Losing streaks will hurt but you can always add numbers as I showed.

[xgame]

yes, minny is a B

is that cle also B bet

[edh1011]

Thanks limit...I guess the labby is where it's at with JM's system...I think there is opportunity to just do a 2-game chase, but just don't know which bets would make sense to do that with as I don't have the past year's results and avg. odds....I do think that NOT buying points and NOT playing runlines and pucklines may be better with the labby to save on juice...

The best way to play a 2 game chase is on the A/B. If you look at past results, most of the wins come on A/B. So if you sit out the A bet, you will miss out on a lot of wins. Only a few times will a C bet come into the picture. And if you look at C bet results for all jm systems, they actually only win a little over 50 percent of the time. Because of the series losses that actually happen. And you don't get many "C wins" to make up for it, because most of the series never get to C. The best way to do it is labby the A/B. Just an opinion from my experience.

[jolmscheid]

Thanks limit...for the update on your labby ...do you do the pucklines and runlines or just the moneylines to avoid juice..?

[thelimit0310]

Thanks limit...for the update on your labby ...do you do the pucklines and runlines or just the moneylines to avoid juice..?

I follow all the rules of the system. The only exception being not buying 3 pts in the NBA system.

[lawalahmed]

The best way to play a 2 game chase is on the A/B. If you look at past results, most of the wins come on A/B. So if you sit out the A bet, you will miss out on a lot of wins. Only a few times will a C bet come into the picture. And if you look at C bet results for all jm systems, they actually only win a little over 50 percent of the time. Because of the series losses that actually happen. And you don't get many "C wins" to make up for it, because most of the series never get to C. The best way to do it is labby the A/B. Just an opinion from my experience.

According to stats provided by WILBA for the last 10yrs....if you are a "A and B" player you will lose in a long run but "B and C" player will always come ahead in a long run.....the best way of playing "B and C" is to play your B bet to win 2 units while your C bet to win 3 units if your B bet lost......

[Wallco99]

According to stats provided by WILBA for the last 10yrs....if you are a "A and B" player you will lose in a long run but "B and C" player will always come ahead in a long run.....the best way of playing "B and C" is to play your B bet to win 2 units while your C bet to win 3 units if your B bet lost......

You are correct, however, you play to win 3 units on both (B) and (C). For a $100 unit bettor, a series loss will only cost $20 more, but each time you win a (B) or (C) you will win $300, which more than makes up for all the (A) bets you missed out on and extra cash in bank by season's end. This was tested and proven by several players in NBA thread. Now that worked for NBA, based on the win % of the (A) bets vs. the (B) and (C). Results may not necessarily be the same for MLB. If (A) bet win percentage gets to a certain amount, then playing the (A) bets become the more profitable way to play. I have found a new bet scheme for the JM NBA which will produce more profit than even the (B), (C) method. I will be sharing that with everyone when NBA approaches and I have finished testing it's accuracy. Not changing the JM system, just trying to maximize the profits on the plays we are already making.

[J.M. Disciple]

The best way to play a 2 game chase is on the A/B. If you look at past results, most of the wins come on A/B. So if you sit out the A bet, you will miss out on a lot of wins. Only a few times will a C bet come into the picture. And if you look at C bet results for all jm systems, they actually only win a little over 50 percent of the time. Because of the series losses that actually happen. And you don't get many "C wins" to make up for it, because most of the series never get to C. The best way to do it is labby the A/B. Just an opinion from my experience.

OK wait a second... I am not sure where you are getting your stats from, but MLB + NBA combined the C bets are way over 50%.

C Bets for the JM NBA win around 81% of the time. I have no idea where you are getting your 50% from.

[J.M. Disciple]

is that cle also B bet

2 different systems!

Hoodini is betting top division leaders that have lost 3 striaght to win 1 of the next 3.
CLE Is a "B" bet on this one.

his new system is watching the bottom division teams that have won 3 in a row. Then he bets for them to lose at least 1 of their next 3 games. Cleveland does not fall into bottom team on their division.

Your just confused by the 2 systems....

[J.M. Disciple]

Everyone who is posting JM NBA about not buying points based on last season is wrong!!!

WILBA has tested this and proven the results. Not buying points was an anomaly from this season. If you test it vs previous seasons it will lose you money.

John Morrison, didn't throw in "oh you should buy 3pts" out of thin air... there is a reason for that.

Only filter he threw in which is complete BS was the injury filter.

[xgame]

2 different systems! Hoodini is betting top division leaders that have lost 3 striaght to win 1 of the next 3. CLE Is a "B" bet on this one. his new system is watching the bottom division teams that have won 3 in a row. Then he bets for them to lose at least 1 of their next 3 games. Cleveland does not fall into bottom team on their division. Your just confused by the 2 systems....

thanks

[jolmscheid]

I follow all the rules of the system. The only exception being not buying 3 pts in the NBA system.

Thanks limit for the update...so a 2-3 line labby for all of JM's systems should work...and you play ALL A, B, and C bets?

You are correct, however, you play to win 3 units on both (B) and (C). For a $100 unit bettor, a series loss will only cost $20 more, but each time you win a (B) or (C) you will win $300, which more than makes up for all the (A) bets you missed out on and extra cash in bank by season's end. This was tested and proven by several players in NBA thread. Now that worked for NBA, based on the win % of the (A) bets vs. the (B) and (C). Results may not necessarily be the same for MLB. If (A) bet win percentage gets to a certain amount, then playing the (A) bets become the more profitable way to play. I have found a new bet scheme for the JM NBA which will produce more profit than even the (B), (C) method. I will be sharing that with everyone when NBA approaches and I have finished testing it's accuracy. Not changing the JM system, just trying to maximize the profits on the plays we are already making.

Good info here wallco...too bad no reliable books allow buying 3 points for -170 anymore...

[BigBlue77]

Baltimore gets it done
Looking to tomorrow, the Yankees will be +1.5 RL. Freddy Garcia makes me nervous. The 2nd game is a better pitching matchup for Yanks. AJ vs Wakefield. Yanks should be able to hit Lester, the only question is if Garcia gets bombed...

[edh1011]

OK wait a second... I am not sure where you are getting your stats from, but MLB + NBA combined the C bets are way over 50%.

C Bets for the JM NBA win around 81% of the time. I have no idea where you are getting your 50% from.

it depends on what version you're playing. V1 probably has a good winning %. but there seems to be more C losses on V3. I play all three for the NBA. and i labby. so if you played B/C, you would still have a good winning percentage, but would miss out on a lot of A wins

[edh1011]

According to stats provided by WILBA for the last 10yrs....if you are a "A and B" player you will lose in a long run but "B and C" player will always come ahead in a long run.....the best way of playing "B and C" is to play your B bet to win 2 units while your C bet to win 3 units if your B bet lost......

that's a good idea to start with 2 units on B. i never thought of that. because most of the A losses usually win on B. i wouldn't say you would lose in the long run playing A/B. i did that this season and made about 40 units since I labby. there are lots of different ways to play jm nba. I may look into the B/C though playing the 2 units on B.

[Wallco99]

Everyone who is posting JM NBA about not buying points based on last season is wrong!!!

WILBA has tested this and proven the results. Not buying points was an anomaly from this season. If you test it vs previous seasons it will lose you money.

John Morrison, didn't throw in "oh you should buy 3pts" out of thin air... there is a reason for that.

Only filter he threw in which is complete BS was the injury filter.

Yes, the reason is he is spending OUR money, not HIS. He would rather show no losses vs. max profit. But who cares, that is NBA, this is MLB.

[BCC585]

*******HOODINI SYSTEM*******

So we have now two systems going.

1st. Any first place team in their division who have lost three straight games, we chase to win on their next three. ML if favorites, RL if dogs.

2nd. Any last place team in their division who has won three straight games, we chase that they lose one game in their next three match ups. Again, ML if favorites, RL if dogs.

Me and a million to one


Just trying to contribute and make some extra moolah

hahaha Hoodini I like the looks of this system. I'll deff be tailing you on this one

So for #2 we bet against them right? just to make that clear

[thelimit0310]

Everyone who is posting JM NBA about not buying points based on last season is wrong!!!

WILBA has tested this and proven the results. Not buying points was an anomaly from this season. If you test it vs previous seasons it will lose you money.

John Morrison, didn't throw in "oh you should buy 3pts" out of thin air... there is a reason for that.

Only filter he threw in which is complete BS was the injury filter.

As Wallco already said, he likes a good record over maximum profit. When you are labbying you can take the extra losses and spare the -170+ juice. It's a much better method in my opinion.

[jolmscheid]

As Wallco already said, he likes a good record over maximum profit. When you are labbying you can take the extra losses and spare the -170+ juice. It's a much better method in my opinion.

Hey limit...would you happen to have the units you have won the past few seasons with Morrison's systems? I just want to gauge if I should do a 2-line or 3-line labby.....and I assume your lines are 1-2%? Thanks!