2012 Shutout System Results+Plays

[TeamNookMum]

TNM, answer to your questions, you are correct you would just bet 5 and also you are correct that if you went on a long losing streak it would get kind of scary, however, there is no written rule with regard to labby's.

If you feel that you are in one of these losing streaks on a short line, just add another number and average out between the two.

For example:

You get to x-x-5-x-x

and lose 4 games in a row and you notice now it looks like

x-x-40-x-x

add another number or even 2 numbers if you like and average it out.

so like this 13.34-13.34-13.34

Next bet would be to win 26.68 instead of 40. All this does is make it so you would have to win 1 extra game to clear the line.

The downside is because you have reshuffled like this your amount of units that you have won would be a little lower than a normal line, but not much.

Hope this helps for you

Once again, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Sorry for so many questions, but I do have one more.

Lets say for example i'm at 10-10-10.


There are 3 games 1's starting today, so I play 20 for every game.

game 1 wins
game 2 loses
game 3 wins

so take care of the wins first.
win 1 - leaves us with just 10
win 2 - line cleared.
lost 1 - now do you add this loss to the new line? so if my starting line looks like 5-5-5-5-5. do I (5+5+5+5+5+10)/5? which would give us a starting line of 7-7-7-7-7?

[arizona40]

Once again, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Sorry for so many questions, but I do have one more.

Lets say for example i'm at 10-10-10.


There are 3 games 1's starting today, so I play 20 for every game.

game 1 wins
game 2 loses
game 3 wins

so take care of the wins first.
win 1 - leaves us with just 10
win 2 - line cleared.
lost 1 - now do you add this loss to the new line? so if my starting line looks like 5-5-5-5-5. do I (5+5+5+5+5+10)/5? which would give us a starting line of 7-7-7-7-7?

You got it pontiac!!!!!! This is a conservative way to work the lines and I think that it would work the best over this type of system during the season. I will be working this and another system that I created during the season, both using this approach. My goal is to end the season with a decent ROI and roll that into my hockey system.

Any more questions, I will be glad to help!

Cheers

[boycali01]

GL

[Teamprofit101]

Most likely system plays will begin tomorrow, is that correct?

[arizona40]

Most likely system plays will begin tomorrow, is that correct?

The system waits till there is a shutout. With only 1 game today, chances are slim but more games tomorrow will likely give us a chance to start the system. We have to wait and see.

[thelimit0310]

Lets get it started fellas! On board for the season

[arizona40]

I know its early but the opening day pitchers are making me believe we will have a couple of plays tomorrow!!

[Teamprofit101]

padres is the first game for fade, i believe

marlins look like they are next lol

[arizona40]

YAAAAA, we will have 3 plays from today all starting on Sat, as all 3 have a day off tomorrow. Can't wait to start!!!!!

[arizona40]

padres is the first game for fade, i believe

marlins look like they are next lol

No shutout in the la/sd game

we will begin Sat with fade Atlanta, fade Pittsburg, fade Miami.

[analyzer]

Actually we will have 6 plays (3 follow and 3 fade):

NYM (follow)
NYM (fade ATL)
PHIL (follow)
PHIL (fade PIT)
CIN (follow)
CIN (fade MIA)

pagodo normally will post plays broken down into these 2 systems for the benefit of those that follow only one of the two and especially when series break and new ones begin with different opponents

[pagodo]

I'll be posting updates starting tomorrow morning.

Let's hope for a great season of baseball

[arizona40]

Actually we will have 6 plays (3 follow and 3 fade):

NYM (follow)
NYM (fade ATL)
PHIL (follow)
PHIL (fade PIT)
CIN (follow)
CIN (fade MIA)

pagodo normally will post plays broken down into these 2 systems for the benefit of those that follow only one of the two and especially when series break and new ones begin with different opponents

My bad, I knew that, but was only considering what system I was using. GL to all tomorrow

[Teamprofit101]

Can't wait .....Let's do this

[imotiv8]

Baseball time...money to be made!

[pagodo]

UPDATE
Saturday, 4/7

Shutouts on Thursday & Friday:
PHL @ PIT, 1-0
NYM vs ATL, 1-0
CIN vs MIA, 4-0
LAA vs KC, 5-0
LAD @ SD, 6-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out):

PLAYS (4/7):
fade Miami, game 1
fade Atlanta, game 1
fade Pittsburgh, game 1
fade Kansas City, game 1
fade San Diego, game 1


Game 1: -
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 1 = ( - )


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out):

PLAYS (4/7):
tail NY Mets, game 1
tail Philadelphia, game 1
tail Cincinnati, game 1
tail LA Angels, game 1
tail LA Dodgers, game 1

Game 1: -
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 2 = ( - )

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Please go to posts #1 and #2 for detailed information on the strategy.
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[DollarBill10]

UPDATE
Saturday, 4/7

Shutouts on Thursday & Friday:
PHL @ PIT, 1-0
NYM vs ATL, 1-0
CIN vs MIA, 4-0
LAA vs KC, 5-0
LAD @ SD, 6-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out):

PLAYS (4/7):
fade Miami, game 1
fade Atlanta, game 1
fade Pittsburgh, game 1
fade Kansas City, game 1
fade San Diego, game 1


Game 1: -
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 1 = ( - )


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out):

PLAYS (4/7):
tail NY Mets, game 1
tail Philadelphia, game 1
tail Cincinnati, game 1
tail LA Angels, game 1
tail LA Dodgers, game 1

Game 1: -
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 2 = ( - )

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Please go to posts #1 and #2 for detailed information on the strategy.
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OK...just making sure I am following this correctly...today we would be betting 2 units on each of the tail plays.
1 for the tail
1 for the fade

Am I understanding this correctly?

Thanks.

[Dan Kelly]

Shutouts on Thursday & Friday:
Phi @ Pit, 1-0
Atl @ NYM, 0-1
Mia @ Cin, 0-4
KC @ LAA, 0-5
LAD @ SD, 6-0

Just a suggestion - Post em like this - easier to read BOL

[mitchp]

Can someone share how they are going to play tissue game with a laby.

[Teamprofit101]

Finally system started, bets are in

Hope we go 5-0 or for both system followers 10-0

Good luck guys!!!

[DollarBill10]

Finally system started, bets are in

Hope we go 5-0 or for both system followers 10-0

Good luck guys!!!

Can someone please confirm my earlier post so I know I am doing this correctly? Thanks.

[Teamprofit101]

OK...just making sure I am following this correctly...today we would be betting 2 units on each of the tail plays.
1 for the tail
1 for the fade

Am I understanding this correctly?

Thanks.

If you are playing both systems, then i do believe it's two units. One unit per system. I played two units since i'm following both

I figure if the teams were not playing each other I would still be putting stake money on the other system, so i might as well go two units.

[arizona40]

For the fade group we went 2-3 and picked up another 2 shutouts to boot.

Here is what I have tomorrow for the fade

1/ Fade Pittsburg Game 2
2/ Fade Miami Game 2
3/ Fade Kansas City Game 2
4/ Fade St Louis Game 1
5/ Fade Boston Game 1

Again I am only following the fade this year as I already have 2 other systems that I work on for the season.

I am sure Pagodo is going to update tomorrow for both systems.

Here is hoping for a little stronger day!!!!

Gl all

[pagodo]

UPDATE
Sunday, 4/8

Shutouts on Saturday (4/7):
DET vs BOS, 10-0
MIL vs STL, 6-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out):

Results (4/7):
fade Miami, game 1
fade Atlanta, game 1
fade Pittsburgh, game 1
fade Kansas City, game 1
fade San Diego, game 1

PLAYS (4/8):
fade Miami, game 2
fade Pittsburgh, game 2
fade Kansas City, game 2
fade Boston, game 1
fade St Louis, game 1


Game 1: 2-3
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 1 = (2-0)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out):

Results (4/7):
tail NY Mets, game 1
tail Philadelphia, game 1
tail Cincinnati, game 1
tail LA Angels, game 1
tail LA Dodgers, game 1

PLAYS (4/8):
tail Philadelphia, game 2
tail Cincinnati, game 2
tail LA Angels, game 2
tail Detroit, game 1
tail Milwaukee, game 1


Game 1: 2-3
Game 2: -
Game 3: -
Game 4: -
Game 5: -
Game 6: -

SYSTEM 2 = (2-0)


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Please go to posts #1 and #2 for detailed information on the strategy.
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[Swan4brownlow]

First of all thanks to all the guys who have posted info up about the plays and the labby system, much appreciated! This is my first time attempting to use a labby so I'm a bit unsure. My labby started as:
5 - 5 - 5 - 5
5 - 5 - 5 - 5
5 - 5 - 5 - 5
but since there were so many games today, I moved 5s up to make it
5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5
5 - 5
Now we had 2 wins so it looked like
X - X - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - X - X
5 - 5

Now I moved some more 5s around to make it
X - X - 5 - 5 - X - X
5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5

Then i added in the losses to make it
X - X - 5 - 5 - X - X - 16.31 - 14.71 - 18.48
5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5

So my questions are:
1) What should I do about my third line, it currently has no 5's because I moved them up to accommodate for the large amount of game 1s and now we have 3 game 2s coming up. In future should I run an extra labby and play 3 games on one and 2 on the other to reduce the need to move numbers?

2) With the 3 losses today, I've read that one way to keep the bets smaller is to put a % of the loss into the next line, so move say 20-30% of those losses to the second line as new numbers. This would help me move some 5s from the second line to the 3rd line.

3) Is it best to divide the losses throughout the line to make the numbers in the line all the same?

I know guys have probably answered this before but because I haven't used the labby before I guess I don't really know what explanations to look for. If someone could help me with this it would be greatly appreciated. Here's to a successful year for us all

[thelimit0310]

Swan, here is how I run my labby. It should be noted this is my second season with ShutOut and most of my labby ideas came from the brainstorming of me and Pagodo last season - we put in some good work to make the labby work well for us.

Labby strategy for ShutOut created by Pagodo and I:

3 lines, 2 games for each line:

1/6: 1-1-1-1
2/5: 1-1-1-1
3/4: 1-1-1-1

Yesterday, 2 games won, 3 lost. All on the first line. First clear the wins. Now since your bets are 2 numbers combined, the 2 wins would clear the first line, meaning you would refresh it with a new set of 1s. Now, you add in the losses:

1/6: 1-1-1-1-2-2-2 (not actual bet results but for examples sake lets say I risked and lost $2 on all 3 losses last night)

Now before you average your line out, what me and Pagodo do to lower the risk amount through the season is take 20-40% of your loses and bring them down to the next bet level. We lost $6, so lets take 20% of that and bring it down to line 2/5.

2/5: 1-1-1-1 + 1.2 (same as 4 + 1.2) = 5.2, divide by 4 (DO NOT divide by 5, when you bring down the percentage of losses you DO NOT add a new number to the line, just add it on) 2/5 now becomes:

2/5: 1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3 (notice again how there is only 4 numbers, only when a game is played and lost on the line will you add a new number)

Now back to line 1/6, your left with $4.8 in losses, this is spread over 3 losses, so you add 3 new numbers to the line (1 new number for each loss, like it was done on the 1/6 line example above), add all the numbers together (4 + 4.8 = 8.8) and divide by 7 (dividing by 7 because with the losses there are now 7 numbers on the line) you get 1.3, so now line 1/6 looks like this:

1/6: 1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3

The 4 original 1s are there, as well as 3 new numbers because again, we lost 3 games yesterday. We divided it through to lower our risk. So now that everything is finished, our new labby for the next days games looks like this:

1/6: 1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3
2/5: 1.3-1.3-1.3-1.3
3/4: 1-1-1-1

Hope this clears things up.

[alxsamsonov]

Hey guys, new to the forum. I want to thank you all for your hard work and dedication in backtesting this system and other bankroll management methods. That being said, I have been reading about the labby method for the past month and simply can't get the hang of it on my own (mathematically challenged ) So my request for either Pagodo, or thelimit is to post how many units we are supposed to win on each bet with an updated labby line at the end of the day. I know that on3 does it in his opening game system thread and it has been super helpful to me so far. Anyways, I don't wanna overstep any boundaries here on my first day but please take my suggestion. I think it would really streamline the thread. Thanks and BOL!

[Teamprofit101]

Thanks thelimit0310 for your post. I wish I would have seen your post earlier because i did it totally different and i like your method better

Guys if we have a bad run today i might have to take a step back from this system for a few days...I didn't calculate things right and following the system will put a dent in my limited bank roll. But i will still follow and update the spreadsheet i created for this system. I will post it soon once i've made a few tweaks.

TIP FOR NEW MEMBERS----

Make sure your not investing to much of your bankroll at one time with the system. Let's say you have a bankroll of $100.

I know some people say to bet 1% of it which would be $1 but with this system, you shouldnt bet 1%....I personally think it's to high

I know someone said they will follow with 0.25%....i think that is a perfect amount, or maybe even 0.50% of your roll when starting your labby line. I mean if your only following one of the systems than 1% of your bankroll is fine but if you are following both or any other system with it, start with less than 1%.

Just my thoughts...

[thelimit0310]

No problem Teamprofit, just doing my part to help the community succeed. You are right with the bankroll % amounts and I second your statement. Do not play 1% with this system. I personally am playing .3%, Pagodo said he is playing .25%, I believe the highest you should go is 1% and thats if your feeling lucky this season. With the high number of plays the lines can and will inflate.

[Swan4brownlow]

TheLimit, thanks heaps for that post, cleared everything up for me! Wish I could have given you more points but it wouldn't allow me to. Much appreciated!

One other question which just came to my mind was say I have a run where I suffer a few losses in a row and the numbers in my line start to get large and my lines start to get long, say 7 or 8 numbers each. If I then hit a streak where I start to win some games, lets say I win 2 games from one line, instead of having 4 large numbers remaining, would it be beneficial to then divide those numbers by 6 or 8, or do you just keep betting the larger numbers until you clear the lines?

Also, say I clear one line, but the other lines still have some numbers remaining, do I just fill the cleared lines with 1s (going on from your example) or can I shift some numbers from my other lines to that line, or would I just add all my remaining numbers together and divide by 12 to have a labby with 3 lines of 4 numbers that are all the same?

Thanks

[thelimit0310]

Swan, that is up to you. But I personally would not recommend doing either of your suggestions. You should always refresh the cleared lines with new numbers instead of using old ones because when you use new numbers there is profit to be made when they are cleared. When you use old numbers you are not setting out to make a profit but instead mostly recover losses. Only in the most dire of situations would I forgo using fresh numbers.

Remember the labby is all about clearing lines. The faster you do that the quicker you will make a profit and recover your loses. If you keep stretching your lines out to get the numbers down your delaying how long it will take to recover and ultimately make a profit and refresh.

[Teamprofit101]

I finally updated the spreadsheet i created for this system enough to bring it out lol

Before you guys take a look at it, let me point out i messed up my labby line really bad lol, i followed thelimit0310's advice after 4/8 results.

Here is the spreadsheet I created https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...zRXXzgyVGZrbVE

the very first page just shows how the system is doing wins/losses...both systems

I made a page for each Game(1-6)...for both systems

[gofightingirish]

Phillies start in 2 and a half hours....a play? on mlb tv

[Teamprofit101]

will someone update plays for today....Im not ready to come up with todays plays on my own yet.

Thanks for anyone's help

[1958]

I have a question on this system:

A team losing 1-0 or 2-0 does not mean that this team will lose again shortly. An excellent team can have such a loss anytime!
I understand losing 5-0 or so is an indication of the team's quality. Did you try to establish a rule for the score or nothing applies?

On the other hand, a team winning 5-0 obviously means something.