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    2015 poker contest: Best "BROI" wins!

    2015's annual poker contest is going to be a little different. I've spent most of the past year finding out just how mind-numbingly boring an annual poker contest for pennies is, with 2500 points being waaaaaay to small to try playing every day (was fortunate to be bailed out by no decent players in the competition and the runaway ego of bobbo raising the stakes). The next contest will be dedicated to the loser of the last one, our very own bobbowaves. As most of you know, his concept of "ROI" differs from the rest of the world in that he narrowly defines both "return" and "investment" (as well as minimum sample size) to mean whatever obscure combination makes him look best. Sadly, no matter how he tries to twist the definition, he still isn't the best. Failing to be the best at a stat you made up is beyond sad, so let's help him out and give it some meaning!

    For 2015, players will be trying to earn the best "BROI" (bobbo ROI), which is narrowly defined as the ratio of poker withdrawals to poker deposits as seen in a player's points history. In keeping with the absurd defintiion, how those points are earned (ring games, playing in every daily and freeroll and then spending all weekend to flip them at omaha h/l tables, winnings from poker freerolls, etc.) and the time spent earning them will not matter. Participants would be required to clear out their rollovers before the contest starts to avoid using rollovers won earlier, and as with every contest, I reserve the right to judge cheating (chip dumping or collusion) and disqualify persons accordingly.

    A minimum sample size of 1,000 points deposited will be required, which should allow wider participation. Entry fee is flexible, but I'm thinking two leagues: a BDF league (free entry for bobbo, 10 point entry fee for everyone else with 2500 points in prizes, limit 40 players; it's the only kind of format bobbo is likely to play!) and a BB league (2500 point entry fee or higher). Possibly also a BB Pro league (5000+ entry fee, 5,000+ deposited requirement).

    Let's hear thoughts and feedback!

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    How do you plan on confirming all rolls were completed prior to contest? I assume a screenshot will be required, which you failed to mention.

    I'll accept my free entry for now, I may enter other leagues if & when you address my concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    How do you plan on confirming all rolls were completed prior to contest? I assume a screenshot will be required, which you failed to mention.

    I'll accept my free entry for now, I may enter other leagues if & when you address my concern.
    It's obvious, which is why it wasn't mentioned. To clarify for anyone else who needs it besides bobbo, participants must also be alive

    To further clarify, contest isn't official yet, and while I have no doubt you'll take anything for free, you'll have to wait until it's officially open.

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    horrible idea

    so i win 200 off of 10pt entry fee. thats great

    if i sit with 1k betpoints and noone else plays so i leave...

    instead of 200pts won out of 10 pt entry, i am now 1200 pts won with 1010 entry.

    all this does is discourage people from sitting at the already ghost town poker tables

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    horrible idea

    so i win 200 off of 10pt entry fee. thats great

    if i sit with 1k betpoints and noone else plays so i leave...

    instead of 200pts won out of 10 pt entry, i am now 1200 pts won with 1010 entry.

    all this does is discourage people from sitting at the already ghost town poker tables
    Generally I agree Rudy; the narrow-minded concept of "BROI" isn't a focus on success as much as it is an attempt to paint mediocre play as something impressive. Nonetheless, it's the last frontier in which bobbo considers himself to have some edge over decent players; considering his imminent loss of a ton of a year's worth of poker points, I figure it might be nice to oblige him.

    I'm open to also doing a "most won" contest, netting the sum of deposits and withdrawals as well...that one might actually mean something outside of the contest, and it would be interesting to compare the "success" of a BROI winner with the actual winnings of the biggest winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    It's obvious, which is why it wasn't mentioned. To clarify for anyone else who needs it besides bobbo, participants must also be alive

    To further clarify, contest isn't official yet, and while I have no doubt you'll take anything for free, you'll have to wait until it's officially open.
    Wasn't obvious, as the jury's sill out whether you have superuser privileges allowing you to see everyone's rolls. Sure would explain your appearance on annual poker leaderboard as well.

    If you run a contest, all details should be mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Wasn't obvious, as the jury's sill out whether you have superuser privileges allowing you to see everyone's rolls. Sure would explain your appearance on annual poker leaderboard as well.

    If you run a contest, all details should be mentioned.
    Funny how accusations of super-using and lack of self-awareness about one's poker skills seem to correlate around here

    Coming from a guy who's never run a contest and who constantly ducks out of challenges, I'll be sure to give your opinion the all the weight it deserves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    I'll be sure to give your opinion all the weight it deserves
    Of course you will, or I won't participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Of course you will, or I won't participate.
    1) Who cares?

    2) Interestingly enough, even if you don't participate, you can be graded by the same criteria and compared with those who do. Would be all sorts of ironic-funny to have you dodge a contest revolving around your self-proclaimed area of expertise, only to lose to other people anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    1) Who cares?

    2) Interestingly enough, even if you don't participate, you can be graded by the same criteria and compared with those who do. Would be all sorts of ironic-funny to have you dodge a contest revolving around your self-proclaimed area of expertise, only to lose to other people anyways
    Regarding my expertise in total cashes & completed rollover percentage, nothing self proclaimed about it. Proven fact I'm a perennial powerhouse in both categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Regarding my expertise in total cashes & completed rollover percentage, nothing self proclaimed about it. Proven fact I'm a perennial powerhouse in both categories.
    You're also the best poker player on this site whose handle starts with "bobbywav" (at least until anyone else picks a handle containing it). However, none of those three things matter to most people, and none of them require any significant amount of skill. So...back to 1) Who cares?

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    "No significant amount of skill required" to have the most cashes in consecutive years? Yet another ignorant statement from Tripe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    I'm a perennial powerhouse in both categories.
    POWERHOUSE???? OK, WW, this did make me laff a good bit..... so you're a "perennial powerhouse" on an essentially free penny poker site..... why the fuk is your dumbass wasting your "talents" on such a bullshit site? why not play some real poker in the real world and show us the power?!?!?!

    actually, I know quite well why the term "POWERHOUSE" is on your mind...................

    powerhouse-slider-final.jpg

    is that where you and your new friend, former-sbr employee and present day super-user, meet up for leather clad, assless chapped fun????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    POWERHOUSE???? OK, WW, this did make me laff a good bit..... so you're a "perennial powerhouse" on an essentially free penny poker site..... why the fuk is your dumbass wasting your "talents" on such a bullshit site? why not play some real poker in the real world and show us the power?!?!?!

    actually, I know quite well why the term "POWERHOUSE" is on your mind...................

    powerhouse-slider-final.jpg

    is that where you and your new friend, former-sbr employee and present day super-user, meet up for leather clad, assless chapped fun????
    I play real $ poker online & AC casinos as well...Why you think I'm retired & not a working stiff like you Donkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    I play real $ poker online & AC casinos as well...Why you think I'm retired & not a working stiff like you Donkey?
    retired???? so does that mean you're the balding old guy with the saggy ass hangin' out of his chaps in the PowerHouse photo???? nice.....

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    Bump...if we're going to start this, would like to do it by Monday at the latest.

    I'm in for 1,000 points, as well as any side bets with any obviously worse players

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    Another Triple vs. Bobbo thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    Bump...if we're going to start this, would like to do it by Monday at the latest.

    I'm in for 1,000 points, as well as any side bets with any obviously worse players
    In for 1,000? You stated 1,000 is minimum for poker buy-ins, not entry fee. I'll take my free 10pt entry in BDF division, I'll also enter the 2,500 BB division. Whoever is playing, clear all your rollovers by this weekend. A screenshot for proof will be necessary, to start challenge Monday 1/5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Mind Picks View Post
    Another Triple vs. Bobbo thread...
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    Point taken...fortunately, I think we've established about all that needs to be said about bobbo at this point, lol

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    In for 1,000? You stated 1,000 is minimum for poker buy-ins, not entry fee. I'll take my free 10pt entry in BDF division, I'll also enter the 2,500 BB division. Whoever is playing, clear all your rollovers by this weekend. A screenshot for proof will be necessary, to start challenge Monday 1/5.
    Doesn't look like much interest in a BDF league, so as much as you're no doubt chomping at the bit for a free 10 points, looks like it' a no go.

    If this is just me and you again, the minimum I'll do it for is 30k, max 60k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    If this is just me and you again, the minimum I'll do it for is 30k, max 60k.
    If it's just us again, I'll go 30k for annual leaderboard challenge. Will you give me 2-1 odds again? Somehow I doubt it.

    Not interested betting 30k when ring games are involved. Since I don't play ring, it obviously can't be monitored 24/7 for possible chip dumping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    If it's just us again, I'll go 30k for annual leaderboard challenge. Will you give me 2-1 odds again? Somehow I doubt it.

    Not interested betting 30k when ring games are involved. Since I don't play ring, it obviously can't be monitored 24/7 for possible chip dumping.
    ...and I have no interest in playing every day (or more likely, being at a disadvantage for not being unemployed and able to camp out and play every daily like you). A probable win for me? Yes...but certainly not worth the prize or the time (especially now that it's tougher to get as much computer time).

    If I was willing to cheat to win, I would have done so and won...not any harder in a daily than it is at a ring game. Believe whatever you want though, you often do.

    Despite your repeated claims that ring games are a waste of time and you roll over more efficiently, you're afraid to put your points where your mouth is. It's the same thing we saw out of you once you realized you were way behind in poker contests and stopped taking any significant bets to back your words, so I guess it's no surprise you're backing down yet again. Hard to imagine how on top of all that someone could be afraid to back up their ROI claim against a guy they just beat (inevitably in your opinion if nobody else's), but par for the course with you.

    If you change your mind and grow a set before Monday and want to do 30-60k (but who are we kidding? you take minimum bets only when at all), let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    A probable win for me? Yes...but certainly not worth the prize or the time
    How did your probable win in 2014 work out for you? I agree, 20k is child's play. We can raise the stakes for annual leaderboard, to make it worth your while.

    If I was willing to cheat to win, I would have done so and won...not any harder in a daily than it is at a ring game.
    Very easy to cheat in ring via chip dump for a 30k prize, especially when I'm not available 24/7 to monitor ring game play. You can't cheat in tourney's without me noticing, we usually play same tourney.

    It's the same thing we saw out of you once you realized you were way behind in poker contests and stopped taking any significant bets to back your words, so I guess it's no surprise you're backing down yet again.
    Yet I just cleaned up 34k without "taking any significant bets to back my words." Wonder how that's possible. Funny how I played you like a fiddle, losing DS challenge on purpose to raise stakes with you & get 2-1 odds to boot.

    If you change your mind and grow a set before Monday and want to do 30-60k (but who are we kidding? you take minimum bets only when at all), let me know.
    I'll give you a chance to win your pts back in 2015, via a 30k annual leaderboard challenge. The real reason you won't accept is clearly evident to everyone besides you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    How did your probable win in 2014 work out for you? I agree, 20k is child's play. We can raise the stakes for annual leaderboard, to make it worth your while.



    Very easy to cheat in ring via chip dump for a 30k prize, especially when I'm not available 24/7 to monitor ring game play. You can't cheat in tourney's without me noticing, we usually play same tourney.



    Yet I just cleaned up 34k without "taking any significant bets to back my words." Wonder how that's possible. Funny how I played you like a fiddle, losing DS challenge on purpose to raise stakes with you & get 2-1 odds to boot.



    I'll give you a chance to win your pts back in 2015, via a 30k annual leaderboard challenge. The real reason you won't accept is clearly evident to everyone besides you.
    Guess we can add "probable" to the list of simple words bobbo doesn't understand

    Again, it's easy to chip dump in tourneys as well if someone wanted to, regardless of your "monitoring" (by which we understand you're watching poker tournaments non-stop all day looking for smaller ones).

    Your inability to comprehend timelines is right up there with your inability to comprehend English; we know this, no need to remind us. Your claim to have lost on purpose is funny though; I suppose you purposely made yourself look like a dumbass by losing arguments all year too?

    As I explained above in English plain enough for even you to understand, I'll pass on a leaderboard challenge. If you decide to grow a pair and back up your ROI nonsense with a meaningful amount of points, let me know. If you're only comfortable with annual leaderboard challenges where you have a small possibility of winning if everything goes your way, I doubt any of us can blame you...and DS might be willing to bury you yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    Guess we can add "probable" to the list of simple words bobbo doesn't understand

    Again, it's easy to chip dump in tourneys as well if someone wanted to, regardless of your "monitoring" (by which we understand you're watching poker tournaments non-stop all day looking for smaller ones).

    Your inability to comprehend timelines is right up there with your inability to comprehend English; we know this, no need to remind us. Your claim to have lost on purpose is funny though; I suppose you purposely made yourself look like a dumbass by losing arguments all year too?

    As I explained above in English plain enough for even you to understand, I'll pass on a leaderboard challenge. If you decide to grow a pair and back up your ROI nonsense with a meaningful amount of points, let me know. If you're only comfortable with annual leaderboard challenges where you have a small possibility of winning if everything goes your way, I doubt any of us can blame you...and DS might be willing to bury you yet again.
    I'm willing to enter your challenge in the 2 divisions you stated, but to go 30k or any significant amount on a format that can easily be manipulated wouldn't be intelligent.

    If you decide to grow a pair by accepting a 2015 leaderboard challenge, you be sure to let me know. Not expecting you to accept & throw another 30k away though, so I'll consider annual leaderboard challenges with others on a case by case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    I'm willing to enter your challenge in the 2 divisions you stated, but to go 30k or any significant amount on a format that can easily be manipulated wouldn't be intelligent.

    If you decide to grow a pair by accepting a 2015 leaderboard challenge, you be sure to let me know. Not expecting you to accept & throw another 30k away though, so I'll consider annual leaderboard challenges with others on a case by case basis.
    Classic bobbo....not only insists on his freeroll, but insists his excuse for ducking a challenge is valid, despite being shown his error several times

    Can't say I'd be all that concerned about losing to you, considering all the stars which had to align for you to eke out a win last year. However, the high probability of me beating you doesn't make trying to play every day any more appealing, or change any of my well-explained reasons.

    Keep ducking my challenge, and I'm sure you'll continue to entertain us with your excuses for why you won't wager any significant amount vs DS or others

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    Your challenge can easily be manipulated. Anyone who owes you on loans, can simply pay you back on the poker table. This would be the only way you can win, which can't be monitored 24/7.

    My 30k offer for 2015 leaderboard is still on the table. Since you lost 29k to me in 2014, it's quite understandable you want no part of Waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Your challenge can easily be manipulated. Anyone who owes you on loans, can simply pay you back on the poker table. This would be the only way you can win, which can't be monitored 24/7.

    My 30k offer for 2015 leaderboard is still on the table. Since you lost 29k to me in 2014, it's quite understandable you want no part of Waves.
    When you keep repeating the same stupid stuff, do you think it somehow becomes true if you only say it enough?

    Chip dumping is possible in tournaments even easier than in ring games, and in either case, "monitoring" (you spending all of your time on SBR as an unpaid, ineffectual observer as seems to be your unemployed routine) is going to be equally effective (which is to say, not very). Aside from this idiocy, considering I've never attempted to cheat when I could have (and if anything you've come closer to it with your blatant stalling and angle-shooting, simply because it's not against the explicit rules), your concerns have no basis in reality...which I've noticed doesn't stop you from repeating them, even after this is very clearly explained to you. Grasping simple concepts has never been a strong suit of yours

    Furthermore, if chip-dumping can so easily invalidate a BROI in your opinion, than it follows that you believe the entire concept is meaningless. Now that we've established that you don't believe it means anything, please refrain from going on about it, and find some other made-up stat you can "excel" at

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    Ignorant as usual...You can be in a ring game with 1 other person at 3am, having chips dumped to you paying off loan. Don't know if you would resort to that or not, but it's obviously conceivable thus it's a legitimate concern. Think you can chip dump in tourney's with 9 other players & numerous observers & not be called out on it?

    If you think you can get away with it in tourney's, I strongly suggest you accept my 30k challenge for 2015. You'll need all the help you can get to pull off an upset of this magnitude, which was proved in our 2014 challenge results.

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    i say we settle 2015 in january.... fck waiting til december.... just have sbr rent out some boxing ring in the d.r. and I'll wager 60k in betpoints, or a thousand in cash, that i can beat the fck outta wwaves in five rounds or less........... gloves or mma style.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    i say we settle 2015 in january.... fck waiting til december.... just have sbr rent out some boxing ring in the d.r. and I'll wager 60k in betpoints, or a thousand in cash, that i can beat the fck outta wwaves in five rounds or less........... gloves or mma style.....
    Sounds good, I suggested a boxing ring as well. I have the 60k to cover wager of course, problem is you're a broke dikk fukk 55k short. Of course you would have to post up as well, since you're a welching jackass proving you can't be trusted with a bet of this magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    Ignorant as usual...You can be in a ring game with 1 other person at 3am, having chips dumped to you paying off loan. Don't know if you would resort to that or not, but it's obviously conceivable thus it's a legitimate concern. Think you can chip dump in tourney's with 9 other players & numerous observers & not be called out on it?

    If you think you can get away with it in tourney's, I strongly suggest you accept my 30k challenge for 2015. You'll need all the help you can get to pull off an upset of this magnitude, which was proved in our 2014 challenge results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    I that a photo of you Tripe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    I that a photo of you Tripe?
    It's a guy who has a much better grasp on vocabulary than you do apparently

    Got any new excuses for us today? Particularly like the ones where you prove yourself wrong, but if you're not taking requests, we'll have to settle for whatever dumb stuff falls out of your mouth I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_D_Bet View Post
    It's a guy who has a much better grasp on vocabulary than you do apparently

    Got any new excuses for us today? Particularly like the ones where you prove yourself wrong, but if you're not taking requests, we'll have to settle for whatever dumb stuff falls out of your mouth I suppose
    I'm taking requests on how you would like to be buried today? Until I hear from you, I'll just settle on the fact I won 34k, destroying you on the felt in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbywaves View Post
    I'm taking requests on how you would like to be buried today? Until I hear from you, I'll just settle on the fact I won 34k, destroying you on the felt in 2014.
    Shrug, suit yourself...far from the first time you retreated to your imagination when confronted with reality. If you ever care to join us here in the real world, we'll be waiting

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