Nadal vs Djokovic - Here we go!

shari91 · 06-10-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Luca Fury

Nadal will win now. Djokovic was winning cus the clay was wet, he had momentum, found his rhythm, and Nadal was fading. Now, all of those factors are gone. Now it's like we're starting over at set 1, game 1. We all saw how the first 2 sets went...

I'm gonna get up in time for the match tomorrow and live bet Nadal at -200 as soon as live betting is available.

The forecast for tomorrow is showers early becoming a steady light rain later in the day. I have a feeling they'll still be playing on wet courts to a certain extent.

Luca Fury · 06-10-12, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by shari91

The forecast for tomorrow is showers early becoming a steady light rain later in the day. I have a feeling they'll still be playing on wet courts to a certain extent.

Damn. Well, at least it can't be as wet as it was today. Plus, Rafa will have a chance to rest, so fatigue won't be as big a factor, and Djokovic's momentum is now gone. Was staying away if the game continued, but with the break, I like Rafa at -200 now.

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Boner_18

He doesn't. By all accounts he is a dumb jock and a fisherman's boy toy (Uncle Tony). His days are numbered anyhow. His knees are going to explode.

Never said the guy was a genius, but he knows his sport. Sadly, you are probably right about the knees.

shari91 · 06-10-12, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

Of course it is a factor, even if you are a great player. The weather changed everything that makes this a strong surface for Nadal, it made it play more like a surface where Novak is a better player. Of course it will not affect Novak negatively, that is a huge help he's getting.

Yeah it's very telling that Novak got down to +200 after winning the 3rd even when he was still down 2-1. That's lower than his pre match odds and they hang that line when Nadal only needed one more set to win the match? But that was due to the weather. Nadal on a wet court doesn't equate to a big favourite any more even if it's clay. I just checked the weather for Tuesday and it's the same crap as tomorrow so even though Nadal will get a chance to rest and shake off his anger... Novak will rest too although I don't even think either of them were particularly tired. They'll still be playing on a wet, cold court and Nadal was giving back that set before he got angry. The weather gods are not being kind to him.

Luca Fury · 06-10-12, 01:51 PM

The Paris forecast says it's supposed to rain ALL DAY tomorrow.

Then all day again on Tuesday..........

Then all day again on Wednesday................

jjgold · 06-10-12, 01:52 PM

Unreal

Shari us they were going to play like she is talking to the fukkin umpires and hinted she had inside fukkin Info

I knew she was drinking but still she sounded convincing so now I am locked into a wager I do not want

She possibly could of caused me $200 more

I based my play on her inside info o the weather ..joker would of won if they kept playing so I bet more

Now cancelled until tomorrow which changes things

shari91 · 06-10-12, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Unreal

Shari us they were going to play like she is talking to the fukkin umpires and hinted she had inside fukkin Info

I knew she was drinking but still she sounded convincing so now I am locked into a wager I do not want

She possibly could of caused me $200 more

I based my play on her inside info o the weather ..joker would of won if they kept playing so I bet more

Now cancelled until tomorrow which changes things

Demonata · 06-10-12, 02:12 PM

Weather should not matter to elite players. That's anotehr eason why Djoker is better than Nadal. He can fight a whole match no matter what and Nadal can't.

milwaukee mike · 06-10-12, 02:18 PM

yisman i will adjust our debt when its official

peavy ship me the 20, you could win if its 7-6 djoko then 6-0 nadal so im ok if you wait but im gonna win

shari91 · 06-10-12, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Weather should not matter to elite players. That's anotehr eason why Djoker is better than Nadal. He can fight a whole match no matter what and Nadal can't.

My money's on Djokovic but let's be serious here. He didn't fight a whole match. He got smoked in the first 2 sets and looked like he couldn't care less if he was there or not. Nadal was working him all over the court and even when he did manage to get a first serve in, Nadal was firing them back at him usually with a high enough bounce (the advantage of dry balls and court) to give Djokovic real problems. If it hadn't have started to rain it would've been over in 3 after Nadal got that break. Weather does matter because it takes away some of the advantages Nadal has on clay. As much as you can try to adjust to the conditions, you can't fight what happens to the balls and surface. And on a court that's playing like a hard court with balls that are no longer bouncing and are flying flatter, that favours Djokovic. Which is why his price dropped so much even when he was still down a set. A big dog's price doesn't improve during a match when they're behind unless there's an outside factor to move the line. Djoko is the better hard court player = price drop.

milwaukee mike · 06-10-12, 02:36 PM

lets face facts here
djoko won 8 straight games on a wet court with a heavy ball

otherwise he was getting his ass kicked

i feel lucky to survive with a win on over 3.5 sets and djoko +5.5 as long as it doesnt go joker 7-6 rafa 6-0

Demonata · 06-10-12, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

That makes no sense. It's not that Novak has trained to play in these conditions, it's that the conditions make the court play more like a court in which Novak is superior, and negate all the characteristics that make Clay Rafa's house.

It's like taking home court advantage from a team and claiming it shouldn't matter because they should train to win on the road as well.

I'm pretty sure Novak has trained mentally to not have these conditions bother him. So a court with mud is how novak is superior? I play tennis too and I could care less what the weather is. You just have to adapt and you are saying Nadal is not capable of that and you might be right.

Home curt advantage did not really help the spurs when they played the thunder.Or the celtics to close out the series with the heat. Teams have lost all the time on the road for the nba playoffs so far.

Sport_Fish · 06-10-12, 02:51 PM

Nadal got a biggg break here with the delay. The fact that Djoker won 8 straight that damn fast was a bad sign...if they continued, I think Djoker would've finished him off.

Now Nadal's gonna come back tomorrow with a fresh mindset and almost like a new game....if he starts off anywhere near how he started today, which i think he def. will, Djoker is done. It'll be hard for Novak to pick up where he left off...that kind of momentum doesn't come easy, and it took him 2 sets and down 0-2 to get to that level of play...i dunno how he replicates that tomorrow.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by shari91

My money's on Djokovic but let's be serious here. He didn't fight a whole match. He got smoked in the first 2 sets and looked like he couldn't care less if he was there or not. Nadal was working him all over the court and even when he did manage to get a first serve in, Nadal was firing them back at him usually with a high enough bounce (the advantage of dry balls and court) to give Djokovic real problems. If it hadn't have started to rain it would've been over in 3 after Nadal got that break. Weather does matter because it takes away some of the advantages Nadal has on clay. As much as you can try to adjust to the conditions, you can't fight what happens to the balls and surface. And on a court that's playing like a hard court with balls that are no longer bouncing and are flying flatter, that favours Djokovic. Which is why his price dropped so much even when he was still down a set. A big dog's price doesn't improve during a match when they're behind unless there's an outside factor to move the line. Djoko is the better hard court player = price drop.

I don't think it was all the weather with his struggles. Djokovic could of came back like he has done many many times. Also Nadals mentality is not as strong as Djokovic. Tomorrow will have to decide this match.

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Weather should not matter to elite players. That's anotehr eason why Djoker is better than Nadal. He can fight a whole match no matter what and Nadal can't.

Really? What happened in Monte-Carlo about 7 weeks ago then? He laid down to Nadal in less than 1:20 and was seen walking in the middle of some points.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

Really? What happened in Monte Carlo about 7 weeks ago then? He laid down to Nadal in less than 1:20 and was seen walking in some points.

Well it's obvious elite players care more about Grand Slams... Also Djokovic cares more about them and everyone knows that. The Grand Slams are what matter the most in tennis with how much competition there is and how much it pays out etc.

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by shari91

My money's on Djokovic but let's be serious here. He didn't fight a whole match. He got smoked in the first 2 sets and looked like he couldn't care less if he was there or not. Nadal was working him all over the court and even when he did manage to get a first serve in, Nadal was firing them back at him usually with a high enough bounce (the advantage of dry balls and court) to give Djokovic real problems. If it hadn't have started to rain it would've been over in 3 after Nadal got that break. Weather does matter because it takes away some of the advantages Nadal has on clay. As much as you can try to adjust to the conditions, you can't fight what happens to the balls and surface. And on a court that's playing like a hard court with balls that are no longer bouncing and are flying flatter, that favours Djokovic. Which is why his price dropped so much even when he was still down a set. A big dog's price doesn't improve during a match when they're behind unless there's an outside factor to move the line. Djoko is the better hard court player = price drop.

Perfect post. Impossible to argue numbers.

shari91 · 06-10-12, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Well it's obvious elite players care more about Grand Slams... Also Djokovic cares more about them and everyone knows that. The Grand Slams are what matter the most in tennis with how much competition there is and how much it pays out etc.

I don't agree. You put Djoko vs Nadal or Federer in any tournament no matter the payout or size and he will care. If he didn't, he wouldn't even have bothered to play the match against Nadal in Monte Carlo at all, especially after his grandfather had just died. That was the perfect excuse to bail out of it but he didn't. Money doesn't matter at their level. These guys thrive on beating each other regardless of where it is.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by shari91

I don't agree. You put Djoko vs Nadal or Federer in any tournament no matter the payout or size and he will care. If he didn't, he wouldn't even have bothered to play the match against Nadal in Monte Carlo at all, especially after his grandfather had just died. That was the perfect excuse to bail out of it but he didn't. Money doesn't matter at their level. These guys thrive on beating each other regardless of where it is.

I disagree that the players like Djokovic,Fed and Nadal play there hardest outside of Grand Slams. I seriously doubt they care as much as a slam. Well to me a grand slam win is worth more with the competition than a win in a smaller tournament. I also seriously doubt a professional athlete does not care about money. All sports have elite athletes that thrive on beating eachother but I doubt they don't do it for the money too.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

Perfect post. Impossible to argue numbers.

I never think of Djokovic as a big dog in any match. Can't argue numbers like the fact that Djokovic always plays well in Grand Slams.

MagicDiceFlow · 06-10-12, 03:15 PM

Nice comeback by Djoker to cash our over 3.5 , Shari. Barring any freak injury for the remaining match, we can chalk it.

jjgold · 06-10-12, 03:17 PM

Nadal, Fed, Joker care about every tourney

Its why they are so great and legends

If they did not it would show up in grand slams and they would get clipped off

Anyone that think Joker does not try 1000% in every event does not know the 1st thing about tennis nor watches it

The the 3 are fierce competitors..you put them on a practice court they would give 10000% also against each other

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Well it's obvious elite players care more about Grand Slams... Also Djokovic cares more about them and everyone knows that. The Grand Slams are what matter the most in tennis with how much competition there is and how much it pays out etc.

It awards 1000 points to the winner, which is more than semi finalists of any of the majors. So it's not a small tournament. Also it is not a mandatory tournament so why on earth would he sign up, make it to the finals and decide to just stop playing right there?

Come on bro, that was the worst excuse you could have made.

shari91 · 06-10-12, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I disagree that the players like Djokovic,Fed and Nadal play there hardest outside of Grand Slams. I seriously doubt they care as much as a slam. Well to me a grand slam win is worth more with the competition than a win in a smaller tournament. I also seriously doubt a professional athlete does not care about money. All sports have elite athletes that thrive on beating eachother but I doubt they don't do it for the money too.

Ok then why do you think they show up? They need those ranking points. In order to get them, they either have to equal or better last year's performance in that tournament. Since they don't play dinky tourneys that cuts down on the number of chances to maintain/accumulate points. And because it tends to be the same 2 or 3 guys in every final that they play in, they have to beat that person in order to equal or improve their points haul from last year. If they don't, points drop off and that puts their ranking at risk. They don't need the match practice and they wouldn't risk injury if they didn't want to win. There are very few tennis players that I would never question their desire or motivation but Nadal, Djoko and Fed are 3 of them. I know if I've lost a bet on them at least they've tried even if their game is off that day or they just flat out get beaten.

shari91 · 06-10-12, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by MagicDiceFlow

Nice comeback by Djoker to cash our over 3.5 , Shari. Barring any freak injury for the remaining match, we can chalk it.

Man we got lucky with that one!!! I would've been doing a rain dance if I didn't have my son crashed on my lap at the time

Thankfully bet365 will pay out regardless if someone gets injured because the bet would hit regardless of who won. If I can sneak in my Djokovic handicap bet too I'll assume I've used up all of my good luck for the next few months.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Nadal, Fed, Joker care about every tourney

Its why they are so great and legends

If they did not it would show up in grand slams and they would get clipped off

Anyone that think Joker does not try 1000% in every event does not know the 1st thing about tennis nor watches it

The the 3 are fierce competitors..you put them on a practice court they would give 10000% also against each other

If you think elite players don't care more about winning grand slams than you don't play or watch tennis. More competition in grand slams,more money for the taking, etc.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

It awards 1000 points to the winner, which is more than semi finalists of any of the majors. So it's not a small tournament. Also it is not a mandatory tournament so why on earth would he sign up, make it to the finals and decide to just stop playing right there?

Come on bro, that was the worst excuse you could have made.

I just think Djokovic would rather get a win over Nadal at the French Open than winning some monte carlo final. If I was a professional tennis player I would rather win grand slams. To me they matter a hell of a lot more.

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I disagree that the players like Djokovic,Fed and Nadal play there hardest outside of Grand Slams. I seriously doubt they care as much as a slam. Well to me a grand slam win is worth more with the competition than a win in a smaller tournament. I also seriously doubt a professional athlete does not care about money. All sports have elite athletes that thrive on beating eachother but I doubt they don't do it for the money too.

So Novak threw away almost 1/4 of a million Euros just because he felt like it?

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I just think Djokovic would rather get a win over Nadal at the French Open than winning some monte carlo final. If I was a professional tennis player I would rather win grand slams. To me they matter a hell of a lot more.

I'm not arguing the fact that they matter more. Just the fact that you said that Novak lost because to him it didn't matter. Also remember up to that point Novak had a huge winning streak against Rafa, he would not give him that win even if they were playing for $20 and nobody was watching.

MagicDiceFlow · 06-10-12, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by shari91

Man we got lucky with that one!!! I would've been doing a rain dance if I didn't have my son crashed on my lap at the time

Thankfully bet365 will pay out regardless if someone gets injured because the bet would hit regardless of who won. If I can sneak in my Djokovic handicap bet too I'll assume I've used up all of my good luck for the next few months.

Yes, we got quite lucky on that one. Djoker had an ounce of fight left in him. I had to run away from the computer and meet someone for brunch. Instead of checking the score on the web, I decided to change it up and call Heritage to give me the score. I was like , "Hi, how are my bets doing, can you give me the scores"

The clerk said in her Costa Rican accent, "Play did suspended , Nadal 2 and YOKOVICH 6 (thats how she pronounced it)".

I was like thank you YOKOVICH

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

So Novak threw away almost 1/4 of a million Euros just because he felt like it?

Winning the french open is like winning 72 of those tournaments.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

I'm not arguing the fact that they matter more. Just the fact that you said that Novak lost because to him it didn't matter. Also remember up to that point Novak had a huge winning streak against Rafa, he would not give him that win even if they were playing for $20 and nobody was watching.

I just don't think it really hurt him as it would losing a Grand Slam against him.When there are that many tournaments all year round you got to go by what tournaments they won and how many they one overall. Like in betting you cant have an awesome betting day every day but the end of the marathon in that year is what matters. If Nadal loses the french open do you really think it's going to matter that he beat Djoker in that smaller tournament?

Cheme82 · 06-10-12, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Winning the french open is like winning 72 of those tournaments.

It doesn't matter. You just said they do it for the money, he wouldn't throw away that kind of cash. Your argument sucks, you started arguing with me and more people have told you that you are wrong. You make up dumb excuses and then you contradict yourself.

Your math sucks too by the way, French Open pays 1,250,000 and Monte-Carlo pays 460,260 Euros. So it's not even 3 times the money.

I'd love to keep proving you wrong but I have other things to do.

P.S.
Are you going to the Bash? If you are I'd love to play some tennis with you.

Demonata · 06-10-12, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Cheme82

It doesn't matter. You just said they do it for the money, he wouldn't throw away that kind of cash. Your argument sucks, you started arguing with me and more people have told you that you are wrong. You make up dumb excuses and then you contradict yourself.

Your math sucks too by the way, French Open pays 1,250,000 and Monte-Carlo pays 460,260 Euros. So it's not even 3 times the money.

I'd love to keep proving you wrong but I have other things to do.

P.S.
Are you going to the Bash? If you are I'd love to play some tennis with you.

I am debating. You are arguing. I doubt he's all butt hurt after losing that tournament when he's already won the Australian open. So I am not wrong to say he cares more about the Grand Slams. Just like college basketball players care more about winning ncaa championship than NIT championship. Grand Slams are hardest to win. That's a fact. The most competition. They do it for money and quality of wins leading up to winning the tournament. Grand Slams you get both. Federer was not even in the monte carlo tournament.I consider him one of the top 3 players in tennis right now.

Well my bad on the prize money got the overall prize money for the whole tournament and the winner prize money mixed up.Still there is harder opponents in the French open.

Also the only thing you proved me wrong on is my prize money was wrong. Nadal is better on CLAY than Djokovic and where have I said otherwise?

I might go to the bash or I might not. Would be fun to play some tennis though. It's not as big here where I live.

MUHerd37 · 06-10-12, 07:18 PM

6 years from deciding to redo shit and put up roofs over courts to actually doing it. Don't go too fast Frenchies!