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  • beefcake
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-26-09
    • 14029

    #1
    Noticed something intriguing about challengers..
    When I am bored and have some free time(not much with 10 month old), I just browse past brackets from all the challengers from the past.I have noticed that unseeded players from the hosting country do well.Have seen tons outright win the tourneys.Anyone think it might be worth it to go back and see what the record of these would be?Now I would only count when unseeded from host country are playing folks from outside the host, and No Wildcards, qua-lies,lucky losers..etc..Just your ordinary Joes who have the ranking and points to get in without an exemption.My theory is that hypothetically the home country guys have the added intangible of playing at home but are not random stiffs that get wildcards or bust their ass trying to qualify.I mean in college football and the NFL usually the odds makers give 3-4 points to the home team with the line.My theory is that if this is true for these challenger players as slight faves,slight dogs or even an added advantage over the price.over a long term would be able to grind out a profit.

    Obviously some players would be favored and some would be dogs.But have to think that the favs would not be too high juiced.Many of around -200 or so.Many times the books makes these match ups with middle of the road guys that are not great, but good enough to make main draw fields in the challengers a close to 50/50 bet.

    Thoughts?
  • beefcake
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-26-09
    • 14029

    #2
    After checking..these players are 71-61 this year through this weeks tourneys..
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    • Hardcoar
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-17-13
      • 15606

      #3
      At average odds of...?
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      • beefcake
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-26-09
        • 14029

        #4
        Still working on that..Could take a while..

        Not a math whiz here, but just off hand what would it have to be at that record to be in the + money..?

        Would I average out all the winning players for example -175, -122, +134, and do something..Or would it be easier doing it with euro number s such as 1.74,2.12.1.36??
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        • Hardcoar
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-17-13
          • 15606

          #5
          1,72 or greater, according to my calculations.

          Edit: Easier for me perhaps, but in terms of math it doesn't matter. Then again as far as I know even you "crazy Americans" use decimal numbers quite a lot outside of odds lines (for some reason... ).
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          • beefcake
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-26-09
            • 14029

            #6
            Well, Starting with this weeks challengers I am going to track it with a 1 unit stake on each player.Draws are out, so this is what I have for the first round..

            Prostejov...Mertl,Vesely

            Caltanissetta..Viola,Naso,Di Mauro

            Arad..Crivoi

            Furth..Stebe,Knittel
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            • beefcake
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-26-09
              • 14029

              #7
              Prices..

              Mertl..+155

              Vesely -130

              Hopefully get some more in the morning..
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              • EaglesPhan36
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 12-06-06
                • 71662

                #8
                Oh snap. Thanks for the Challenger reminder. Furth usually has quite a few French Open holdovers playing (lower tier players). Nottingham also an interesting one as the first grass court play of the year. Gonna have to dive in and refind my Challenger thread. Get 'em BEEF!
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                • beefcake
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 11-26-09
                  • 14029

                  #9
                  Rest for today..

                  Stebe -225

                  Knittel -138

                  Dimauro -125

                  Naso +188
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                  • beefcake
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-26-09
                    • 14029

                    #10
                    Great start to the "System"...Call me Paul Westhead of Tennis Gambling...LOL..Whatever..

                    3-0..Going to count Knittel because I make these bets at 5 dimes..and you need 1 set for a result..
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                    • beefcake
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-26-09
                      • 14029

                      #11
                      Wow, 5-0..Dont think I could have done this good If I tried...

                      Lets go Naso to make a perfect day...
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                      • Hardcoar
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-17-13
                        • 15606

                        #12
                        Those peoplez were all homo's!?
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                        • beefcake
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 11-26-09
                          • 14029

                          #13
                          Well the "homos" went 5-1 +4.55 units..
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                          • EaglesPhan36
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 12-06-06
                            • 71662

                            #14
                            So are you playing the unseeded home standers all the way through till they lose?
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                            • ohumad
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-19-12
                              • 2298

                              #15
                              Dang wrong thread. Good start sir!
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                              • Hardcoar
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 02-17-13
                                • 15606

                                #16
                                Originally posted by beefcake
                                Well the "homos" went 5-1 +4.55 units..
                                No no! I was asking you whether the players you mentioned are all home-boyzzzzzz...
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                                • beefcake
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-26-09
                                  • 14029

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by EaglesPhan36
                                  So are you playing the unseeded home standers all the way through till they lose?
                                  Yes,all home country unseeded.No wildcards,QF's, LL's, SE's or LLC's...LOL..

                                  If players from the same home country of the tourney play each other we pass.
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                                  • beefcake
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-26-09
                                    • 14029

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                    No no! I was asking you whether the players you mentioned are all home-boyzzzzzz...
                                    Yep my plays will be unseeded home country players..
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                                    • beefcake
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-26-09
                                      • 14029

                                      #19
                                      Next up

                                      Furth..Stebe +100,Knittel again

                                      Arad..crivoi -190

                                      Italy..Di mauro,viola +195

                                      Czech.., vesely -185
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                                      • fitguy67
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 03-13-11
                                        • 5082

                                        #20
                                        backtesting can be done when time permits...u'v got a sound premise...the intangible-yet-very-real-in-all-sports (i remember during the Olympics held in Greece not too long ago...an obscure Greek gymnast won a gold medal in a hollywood-storyline fashion) home-venue advantage

                                        this is definitely not taken into account by the vast majority of bettors who do NOT give a damn about where the tourney is...just players, surfaces, h2h's, etc...so perfect recipe for the line under-appreciating the increased mojo of the qualified-but-unseeded "homies"

                                        keep 'em comin' beefy
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                                        • beefcake
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-26-09
                                          • 14029

                                          #21
                                          1-1 so far today...

                                          Lets go Stebe and Vesely!
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                                          • beefcake
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-26-09
                                            • 14029

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by fitguy67
                                            backtesting can be done when time permits...u'v got a sound premise...the intangible-yet-very-real-in-all-sports (i remember during the Olympics held in Greece not too long ago...an obscure Greek gymnast won a gold medal in a hollywood-storyline fashion) home-venue advantage is not taken into account by the vast majority of bettors who do NOT give a damn about where the tourney is...just players, surfaces, h2h's, etc...so perfect recipe for the line under-appreciating (by ignorance) the increased mojo of the qualified-but-unseeded "homies"
                                            Well 77-63 so far this year..Would have to have an average odds of around -110 to make some profit...Never checked seeded home country ones.Figured the juice would be too much and would have to have a higher strike rate to come out ahead.
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                                            • Hardcoar
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 02-17-13
                                              • 15606

                                              #23
                                              Naked Tsonga prefers the term "homo's"!
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                                              • beefcake
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 11-26-09
                                                • 14029

                                                #24
                                                2-1..but vesely is shitting the bed..
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                                                • beefcake
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-26-09
                                                  • 14029

                                                  #25
                                                  Smoking start!!!

                                                  Overall 8-2 +6.55 units..
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                                                  • beefcake
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 11-26-09
                                                    • 14029

                                                    #26
                                                    Thursday..

                                                    Di mauro +220

                                                    Knittel -205
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                                                    • beefcake
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-26-09
                                                      • 14029

                                                      #27
                                                      Back to earth today..

                                                      8-4 +3.5
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                                                      • beefcake
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 11-26-09
                                                        • 14029

                                                        #28
                                                        Stebe -400

                                                        Vesely -260

                                                        If crovoi wins, bet him..
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                                                        • beefcake
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-26-09
                                                          • 14029

                                                          #29
                                                          2-0 today..

                                                          10-4 +5.5
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                                                          • beefcake
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 11-26-09
                                                            • 14029

                                                            #30
                                                            Stebe +105
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                                                            • beefcake
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-26-09
                                                              • 14029

                                                              #31
                                                              He got smoked...

                                                              10-5 +4.5...

                                                              4 more starting on Monday..It never ends!!
                                                              Nottingham-2, Great Britain Grass €64,000 Combo | S | D | QS | QD | OOP
                                                              Prague, Czech Republic Clay €42,500 Combo | S | D | QS | QD | OOP
                                                              Blois, France Clay €30,000 +H Combo | S | D | QS | QD | OOP
                                                              Kosice, Slovak Republic
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                                                              • beefcake
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 11-26-09
                                                                • 14029

                                                                #32
                                                                Dont forget the hospitality(+H) offered in Blois. I think players get free Red Bull and pigs in a blanket at the buffet table..
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                                                                • beefcake
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-26-09
                                                                  • 14029

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Looks like Prague due to the torrential rains recently is starting on tuesday.

                                                                  So here is who we will play for the other 3 tourneys to start for the first round..No prices yet..

                                                                  Nottingham..None in the tourney..

                                                                  Blois..Robert,Eysseric

                                                                  Kosice..Semjan
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                                                                  • beefcake
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 11-26-09
                                                                    • 14029

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Prague...Mertl
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                                                                    • Hardcoar
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 02-17-13
                                                                      • 15606

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Have you looked into women's tennis?
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