Really dsi???

[ShamsWoof10]

They took away my bet points the day I turned Diamond what a joke. I had 2100+ I was going to turn in.

With this and the delay they put me on I'm withdrawing and they already said no free payout via paper checks. It says in the stupid disclaimer that pops up that paper checks are the only free method once a month.

Anyone else have this happen?

[durito]

Yes everyone had it happen.

If you complain to sbr they will give you back the points (you won't get anymore though).

[ShamsWoof10]

Yes everyone had it happen.

If you complain to sbr they will give you back the points (you won't get anymore though).

I don't mind not getting anymore but taking what took forever to get is garbage.

I can't believe I"m saying this... thanks "durito"...

CRAAAAAAZY.?????

[yisman]

they discontinued free payouts earlier this year.

I withdrew a few weeks ago and there were no free checks. They said their only free payout method was via a DC, but that's false advertising. The DC is far from free. With all the costs, I just bit the bullet and paid for the check via betpoints.

[durito]

They promised SBR about 5 years ago they would stop this practice and never have. Who knows how many points they have robbed in the process from people that don't complain.

[BetDSI Relations]

Shamswoof10,

Drop me a quick PM with your account number so I can take a look at this for you. At the very least you will be reimbursed any cash value of your accumulated BetPoints.

Cordially,

BetDSI Relations

They took away my bet points the day I turned Diamond what a joke. I had 2100+ I was going to turn in.

With this and the delay they put me on I'm withdrawing and they already said no free payout via paper checks. It says in the stupid disclaimer that pops up that paper checks are the only free method once a month.

Anyone else have this happen?

[ShamsWoof10]

Shamswoof10,

Drop me a quick PM with your account number so I can take a look at this for you. At the very least you will be reimbursed any cash value of your accumulated BetPoints.

Cordially,

BetDSI Relations

Fair Enough...

[durito]

Shamswoof10,

Drop me a quick PM with your account number so I can take a look at this for you. At the very least you will be reimbursed any cash value of your accumulated BetPoints.

Cordially,

BetDSI Relations

Why does this only happen to people that complain on sbr?

When will you be giving the cash back to all the other people whose points you stole?

[stevex]

Never understood why they offered some thing like that and will just take it away.

Either offer it and leave it alone or don't offer it. Not really a difficult thing to figure out.

[SBR Lou]

Either offer it and leave it alone or don't offer it. Not really a difficult thing to figure out.

It's not uncommon for sportsbooks to have loyalty programs, VIP client programs, etc. You can't let everyone have it no matter what. A guy with the bankroll of a casino whale that is a known card-counter or skilled advantage player isn't going to get flown in on a private jet and have a comped stay for a month.

It's not hard to understand why the program cannot be extended to players whose action is considered too sharp. What's hard to understand is why it's not worn with a badge of honor; instead of met with such scathing criticism. In the few occasions that we know about where a player was cut but lost his points balance, the book made it right.

Who knows how many points they have robbed in the process from people that don't complain.

What in reality is the problem, or are we just speculating that player x y z must have a gripe if they haven't specifically posted on SBR Forum?

[LVHerbie]

they discontinued free payouts earlier this year.

I withdrew a few weeks ago and there were no free checks. They said their only free payout method was via a DC, but that's false advertising. The DC is far from free. With all the costs, I just bit the bullet and paid for the check via betpoints.

What did your withdraw cost? like $60?

The other method is much faster and reliable and if you think you are likely to take another payout in like the next year or so the other method would now be significantly cheaper as well...

[ZetaPsi808]

Fair Enough...

Stevey sorry i missed you in chat. you can ask me here or the next time i am in chat

[cincy]

DSI took me off the loyalty program a while back. But now they are changing the line when I try to place a bet. When I click to place a bet it goes into a short delay and then a message comes back that the line has changed and it is a half point worse for me. This happens a lot even if I immediately refresh the lines before placing a bet so it seems they have some setting in their computer system to change the line on me or the manager just does this manually.

[70kgman]

Why does SBR have DSI listed as best for "pro" players? That is ridiculous. It took me less than 8k profit with DSI before they...took away my betpoints, limited me to $250, then limited me to $25 on certain types of wagers, put me on a delay, then they started ghost moving the line 1/2 point every NCAAB total play I made, then a full point when the 1/2 point move didn't get rid of me. They are the ultimate recreational book.

[choo]

What in reality is the problem, or are we just speculating that player x y z must have a gripe if they haven't specifically posted on SBR Forum?

if they are going to take away the betpoint program they should immediately credit the player with at minimum the cash value of the accumulated betpoints. they dont do this. this is the reality of the problem.

[yisman]

What did your withdraw cost? like $60?

65 bucks.

The other method is much faster and reliable and if you think you are likely to take another payout in like the next year or so the other method would now be significantly cheaper as well...

It's not worth it for me. Several problems. A)$25 upfront fee, then a whole slew of other possible fees. Monthly fees, inactivity fees, etc. B)I'd have to spend the money rather than receiving it. I don't have anything to spend 3k on right now, so it would take several months at the very least, as opposed to just depositing a check.

I thought about doing the DC, but the fact that it would cost me money anyway and I wouldn't be getting the money made the difference.

It took me over 4 months to get DSI to send money. I wasn't going to jerk around with a DC, where they could pull more shenanigans.

[rm18]

they only stole a few hundred points from me but bookmaker like 40k

[mikejamm]

65 bucks.





It's not worth it for me. Several problems. A)$25 upfront fee, then a whole slew of other possible fees. Monthly fees, inactivity fees, etc. B)I'd have to spend the money rather than receiving it. I don't have anything to spend 3k on right now, so it would take several months at the very least, as opposed to just depositing a check.

I thought about doing the DC, but the fact that it would cost me money anyway and I wouldn't be getting the money made the difference.

It took me over 4 months to get DSI to send money. I wasn't going to jerk around with a DC, where they could pull more shenanigans.

Such bullshit! And this is a "SBR Recommend" book! You gotta pay and pay to get your fuk'in money! Btw DSI, stop with the fuk'in cold calls too, I'm not depositing anymore money with your book!

[70kgman]

It's not worth it for me. Several problems. A)$25 upfront fee, then a whole slew of other possible fees. Monthly fees, inactivity fees, etc. B)I'd have to spend the money rather than receiving it. I don't have anything to spend 3k on right now, so it would take several months at the very least, as opposed to just depositing a check.

I thought about doing the DC, but the fact that it would cost me money anyway and I wouldn't be getting the money made the difference.

It took me over 4 months to get DSI to send money. I wasn't going to jerk around with a DC, where they could pull more shenanigans.

You use them at the ATM. So you end up with cash. Even with the monthly fee, that is the best/quickest withdrawal from there imo.

[LVHerbie]

Yisman they didn't do a good job explaining it you as most of what you posted above is wrong... I'll send a PM later tonight "across the street" since SBR doesn't like this stuff being discussed here...

[durito]

It's not uncommon for sportsbooks to have loyalty programs, VIP client programs, etc. You can't let everyone have it no matter what. A guy with the bankroll of a casino whale that is a known card-counter or skilled advantage player isn't going to get flown in on a private jet and have a comped stay for a month.

It's not hard to understand why the program cannot be extended to players whose action is considered too sharp. What's hard to understand is why it's not worn with a badge of honor; instead of met with such scathing criticism. In the few occasions that we know about where a player was cut but lost his points balance, the book made it right.


What in reality is the problem, or are we just speculating that player x y z must have a gripe if they haven't specifically posted on SBR Forum?

Back when you were just a little broke twirp that posted on here Bookmaker agreed that they would stop stealing players points. They didn't. People complain about it at various forums frequently. Has sbr's position changed and you no long consider this to be stealing?

[yisman]

Fair enough, Herbie. I got that all from live chat on DSI.

[Thremp]

This is the most ridiculous thievery from the Cris group. It is such a piddly amount of cash especially after they hired a consultant (I'm never excited when this person gets hired to do consulting work), but they tarnish their name repeatedly with this sort of ridiculous ass shit.

[MBENZ]

Such bullshit! And this is a "SBR Recommend" book! You gotta pay and pay to get your fuk'in money! Btw DSI, stop with the fuk'in cold calls too, I'm not depositing anymore money with your book!

$65 is not much if you take into account that Heritage charged me $70 for every $850 I removed when Greek and Jam sent me over.As far as betpoints go,I've been with them since they opened and am up lifetime and they've never taken my betpoints.I must be doing something wrong.

[BranchDavidian]

It's not uncommon for sportsbooks to have loyalty programs, VIP client programs, etc. You can't let everyone have it no matter what. A guy with the bankroll of a casino whale that is a known card-counter or skilled advantage player isn't going to get flown in on a private jet and have a comped stay for a month.

It's not hard to understand why the program cannot be extended to players whose action is considered too sharp. What's hard to understand is why it's not worn with a badge of honor; instead of met with such scathing criticism. In the few occasions that we know about where a player was cut but lost his points balance, the book made it right.


What in reality is the problem, or are we just speculating that player x y z must have a gripe if they haven't specifically posted on SBR Forum?

I used to have a lot of respect for your opinion, Lou. But you are losing it fast. First it was your defense of BetonLine in the case of the guy that had $45,000 stolen for chip dumping -- where you rubber-stamped BetonLine's theft without, it seems, even a cursory look at the evidence ( which was non-existent ). And, here you are now defending Diamond in their blatant theft of betpoints! I believe Durito is correct when he points out that SBR's position is that this is theft. I did not consider it a "badge of honor" when DSI stole my betpoints -- I considered it a loss of income and a reason to stop playing at DSI. Interestingly enough, a year or two after their theft of my betpoints, DSI called me offering another bonus - even tho I had been previously labeled non-recreational, and actually gave me the betpoints back that had been stolen --- although, as Durito explained, no more new betpoints would get added. So, I know along with many other posters here, that DSI is stealing betpoints and only giving them back to those that know how to work the forums. As I saw you post the other day, only 1% of the gambling public uses these forums -- so we can conclude that the many complaints that show up here about stolen betpoints only accounts for about 1% of the actual number of times DSI has done this. In all seriousness Lou, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it is beginning to look like you have turned into a shill for sponsor books.

[BranchDavidian]

It's not uncommon for sportsbooks to have loyalty programs, VIP client programs, etc. You can't let everyone have it no matter what. A guy with the bankroll of a casino whale that is a known card-counter or skilled advantage player isn't going to get flown in on a private jet and have a comped stay for a month.

It's not hard to understand why the program cannot be extended to players whose action is considered too sharp. What's hard to understand is why it's not worn with a badge of honor; instead of met with such scathing criticism. In the few occasions that we know about where a player was cut but lost his points balance, the book made it right.


What in reality is the problem, or are we just speculating that player x y z must have a gripe if they haven't specifically posted on SBR Forum?

In reality, the problem is that you seem to think it is O.K. for DSI to steal already earned betpoints as long as they return those points to people that complain on SBR. Is your position who cares if the book is stealing as long as it is not from us?

[dolson]

The bet points is one of the reasons i use DSI, at what point do players lose them?

[SBR Lou]

In reality, the problem is that you seem to think it is O.K. for DSI to steal already earned betpoints as long as they return those points to people that complain on SBR. Is your position who cares if the book is stealing as long as it is not from us?

Speaking in facts ("reality") and not hypothetical situations; the only players we know that had this happen were straightened out. You're speculating, which is cool, everyone can have an opinion.

[MBENZ]

The bet points is one of the reasons i use DSI, at what point do players lose them?

I've never lost them but obviously some have.The part of this thread that remains unanswered is the OP said it took forever to get 2100 points.That's only $2100 in action so obviously he wasn't crushing their grapes.There must be a reason why they took the points.It would be nice to know why so one could avoid making the same mistake.

[Thremp]

Is Lou really saying that every person who's been mugged by DSI/Cris/BM has contacted SBR?

How absurd.

Ignorance is not a defense.

[durito]

Speaking in facts ("reality") and not hypothetical situations; the only players we know that had this happen were straightened out. You're speculating, which is cool, everyone can have an opinion.

This is correct. Every person that complains to sbr gets their pts returned (not the ability to earn them just the ones that were stolen). Every person that does not complain to sbr does not get their pts returned.

Many years ago this bothered SBR and they convinced bookmaker not to do it anymore. They agreed. In the last year or so they've started doing it again (not on occasion or as an oversight, but as policy -- if you get deemed non-recreational your earned pts(which are equal to $$) are stolen).

SBR is now taking the stance that this is ok since SBR posters can complain and get their points back. This is a tactic that is used at EOG/RX/Other shit forums to support thieving books. As long as the posters that signed up on their forum are paid, it is perfectly acceptable to them that the books rob every other player. Sad to see that SBR is moving in that direction.

[HedgeHog]

SBR has the same points program policy as DSI--they can take them back at their choosing w/o giving you the opportunity to cash out what you already have. Not saying I agree with it, but both DSI and SBR believe it's w/i their rights to do so.

[SBR Lou]

SBR is now taking the stance that this is ok since SBR posters can complain and get their points back.

If it wasn't you/Thremp, I might think I just wasn't clear. But just in case:

• It's not considered "OK" to take earned points.
• It is considered "OK" to remove someone from a program.

This is the only instance I've seen this reported in quite some time, thus, I didn't make the assumption that it is happening with the frequency that others (whom have cited no specific outstanding examples) do.

If there are other players in this situation, they can write to SBR. If we can confirm that this is in fact not simply an error on one account manager's part as it's believed to be, we'll of course follow-up with the book.

[Thremp]

It is getting much more difficult to tell your intentions.

Are you sure this is the only instance? How long is "quite some time"? I doubt that you really communicate between mediators for some reason.

[durito]

DSI took my points last year. I am not interested in a complaint as there were very few as since I am aware of their methods I was cashing them in frequently. However, there are several reports at 2p2 of large point thefts in the last year. Some people aren't really interested in giving their info to sbr.