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  • rowand13
    SBR Hustler
    • 10-25-11
    • 53

    #1
    the greek disregarded their rules and took advantage of me
    I placed 2 bets with thegreek totalling about $470 on Mens European basketball Under 20 on Austria +19.5 Vs Lithuania. the bet was about 3 months ago on July, 21. I was following a previous match for Austria in which they performed very well. I thought the 19 points was a good value, even though Lithuania is one of the very top teams in European basketball. I was in a very bad losing skid for almost 4 weeks that time losing a lot everyday. I took the bet for more than double my average bet size of $200.

    I tried to find a live stream to follow the game for almost 30 minutes but could not. I found a live betting for the game with live scores on Bet365.com when it was almost halftime and the score was close as far as I remember. I had a doubt following the live odds at bet365.com that the line was incorrect and should have been Austria at about +9 or +9.5 points which is an obvious error in basketball, but did not call the greek anyway. I end up losing the bets as Lithuaina won by about 24 or 23 points. I am very frustrated. I would never bet that much especially on an UNDER 20 Eueopean Baketball game.

    I call the greek CS up and explain the situation and that my average bet size is about $200 as they know, and that I was in a bad losing streak for weeks and that I doubt if this line was correct following the live odds at bet365.com and that the bets should be cancelled according to their rules considering that my account with them has been in a very good standing for many years. The greek management admitted that the line was obviously incorrect ,and a lady manager who seemed to be helpful asked me to send an email to CS explaining the situations and they will look at it.

    I sent the email then spoke with manager (Wally) who was very rude to me on the phone insulting me harshly all the time and telling me that since I knew the line was incorrect and did not call during the game, they will grade both wagers as a loss and will not cancel any of them and will close my account, even though they know the line was incorrect. I asked him kindly if he can cancel even just one of the 2 bets for $250 since that was over my average bet size but he still refused.

    Sorry for the very late post but you know when you lose several thousands in a short period of time that you would not care much about $500 to argue and waste your time. Now as a US player my account at thegreek has been transferred successfully to heritagesports in which I have also lost all of the remaining balance that was transferred. The reason I feel I desereve a compensation for this loss is the fact that the greek has admitted the line error which makes me wonder if the wagers would have been granted had I won. Especially because they cancelled a winning bet for me a long time ago on Turkish Basketball after the game was over, saying that the game had started a few minutes before placing the bet, which I used to support my case as to how they acted in the past and how they are acting differently now, during my conversation with their management, but for no avail. Do you guys think that I have a case in this situation. I ask you great staff at SBR if I should file an official claim with SBR for this and if i have a valid case??? Thanks all.
  • shari91
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 02-23-10
    • 32661

    #2
    Hi rowand -

    The best thing to do if you'd like someone from SBR to investigate your case is to fill out a Sportsbook Complaint Form with all of your details.
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    • BrianLaverty
      SBR MVP
      • 07-02-07
      • 2183

      #3
      you took a shot.... and still lost. Get over it.
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      • pokerplayer22
        SBR MVP
        • 05-09-09
        • 1207

        #4
        Originally posted by rowand13
        I placed 2 bets with thegreek totalling about $470 on Mens European basketball Under 20 on Austria +19.5 Vs Lithuania. the bet was about 3 months ago on July, 21. I was following a previous match for Austria in which they performed very well. I thought the 19 points was a good value, even though Lithuania is one of the very top teams in European basketball. I was in a very bad losing skid for almost 4 weeks that time losing a lot everyday. I took the bet for more than double my average bet size of $200.

        I tried to find a live stream to follow the game for almost 30 minutes but could not. I found a live betting for the game with live scores on Bet365.com when it was almost halftime and the score was close as far as I remember. I had a doubt following the live odds at bet365.com that the line was incorrect and should have been Austria at about +9 or +9.5 points which is an obvious error in basketball, but did not call the greek anyway. I end up losing the bets as Lithuaina won by about 24 or 23 points. I am very frustrated. I would never bet that much especially on an UNDER 20 Eueopean Baketball game.

        I call the greek CS up and explain the situation and that my average bet size is about $200 as they know, and that I was in a bad losing streak for weeks and that I doubt if this line was correct following the live odds at bet365.com and that the bets should be cancelled according to their rules considering that my account with them has been in a very good standing for many years. The greek management admitted that the line was obviously incorrect ,and a lady manager who seemed to be helpful asked me to send an email to CS explaining the situations and they will look at it.

        I sent the email then spoke with manager (Wally) who was very rude to me on the phone insulting me harshly all the time and telling me that since I knew the line was incorrect and did not call during the game, they will grade both wagers as a loss and will not cancel any of them and will close my account, even though they know the line was incorrect. I asked him kindly if he can cancel even just one of the 2 bets for $250 since that was over my average bet size but he still refused.

        Sorry for the very late post but you know when you lose several thousands in a short period of time that you would not care much about $500 to argue and waste your time. Now as a US player my account at thegreek has been transferred successfully to heritagesports in which I have also lost all of the remaining balance that was transferred. The reason I feel I desereve a compensation for this loss is the fact that the greek has admitted the line error which makes me wonder if the wagers would have been granted had I won. Especially because they cancelled a winning bet for me a long time ago on Turkish Basketball after the game was over, saying that the game had started a few minutes after placing the bet, which I used to support my case as to how they acted in the past and how they are acting differently now, during my conversation with their management, but for no avail. Do you guys think that I have a case in this situation. I ask you great staff at SBR if I should file an official claim with SBR for this and if i have a valid case??? Thanks all.
        If you would have just alerted them of the bad line, they prolly would have credited your acct with a freeplay as a thank you...which may have helped get you out of your rut. Instead, you tried to take advantage of an obvious line error. For that, you deserve nothing.

        Having said that, If they got any action on the other side (the winning side) and voided those winnings due to a line error, than thats just free rolling the players.

        A few years ago, I alerted legends of a line error (a hockey game that started an hour earlier that they had it at, and the game was 3-0 in the 1st period and they still had a line posted) and they immediately moved my status with them to "pro player" and I have been given a freeplay every month since which i can win up to $500 on....And that will continue for the life of my acct with them.

        You'll never get away with betting a bad line!!
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        • ChuckDee
          SBR High Roller
          • 08-21-10
          • 145

          #5
          Originally posted by rowand13
          I placed 2 bets with thegreek totalling about $470 on Mens European basketball Under 20 on Austria +19.5 Vs Lithuania. the bet was about 3 months ago on July, 21. I was following a previous match for Austria in which they performed very well. I thought the 19 points was a good value, even though Lithuania is one of the very top teams in European basketball. I was in a very bad losing skid for almost 4 weeks that time losing a lot everyday. I took the bet for more than double my average bet size of $200.

          I tried to find a live stream to follow the game for almost 30 minutes but could not. I found a live betting for the game with live scores on Bet365.com when it was almost halftime and the score was close as far as I remember. I had a doubt following the live odds at bet365.com that the line was incorrect and should have been Austria at about +9 or +9.5 points which is an obvious error in basketball, but did not call the greek anyway. I end up losing the bets as Lithuaina won by about 24 or 23 points. I am very frustrated. I would never bet that much especially on an UNDER 20 Eueopean Baketball game.

          I call the greek CS up and explain the situation and that my average bet size is about $200 as they know, and that I was in a bad losing streak for weeks and that I doubt if this line was correct following the live odds at bet365.com and that the bets should be cancelled according to their rules considering that my account with them has been in a very good standing for many years. The greek management admitted that the line was obviously incorrect ,and a lady manager who seemed to be helpful asked me to send an email to CS explaining the situations and they will look at it.

          I sent the email then spoke with manager (Wally) who was very rude to me on the phone insulting me harshly all the time and telling me that since I knew the line was incorrect and did not call during the game, they will grade both wagers as a loss and will not cancel any of them and will close my account, even though they know the line was incorrect. I asked him kindly if he can cancel even just one of the 2 bets for $250 since that was over my average bet size but he still refused.

          Sorry for the very late post but you know when you lose several thousands in a short period of time that you would not care much about $500 to argue and waste your time. Now as a US player my account at thegreek has been transferred successfully to heritagesports in which I have also lost all of the remaining balance that was transferred. The reason I feel I desereve a compensation for this loss is the fact that the greek has admitted the line error which makes me wonder if the wagers would have been granted had I won. Especially because they cancelled a winning bet for me a long time ago on Turkish Basketball after the game was over, saying that the game had started a few minutes after placing the bet, which I used to support my case as to how they acted in the past and how they are acting differently now, during my conversation with their management, but for no avail. Do you guys think that I have a case in this situation. I ask you great staff at SBR if I should file an official claim with SBR for this and if i have a valid case??? Thanks all.


          LOL
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          • skrtelfan
            SBR MVP
            • 10-09-08
            • 1913

            #6
            I'm used to books trying to freeroll players on bad lines, but a player trying to freeroll a book on a bad line is a new one for me! I'd like to see someone try this one with Tony from 5Dimes!
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            • Stumpage
              SBR MVP
              • 09-21-05
              • 2906

              #7
              So, if I'm reading this correctly.....

              *You took a shot on an obvious line error, thought yourself to be in a great position, lost...And now want compensation?
              *You were so enthralled by your chances that you doubled your usual bet, lost...And now want compensation on those grounds as well?

              Seriously, I thought I'd seen everything here at SBR, but this is truly Hall-of-Fame material. Thank you for the read.....
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              • soxwin1917
                SBR MVP
                • 09-09-08
                • 1188

                #8
                I just want to make sure my post is included in this classic thread. Degenerates are unbelievable.
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                • skrtelfan
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-09-08
                  • 1913

                  #9
                  Probably an obvious troll since it's that user's first post, but great comedy nonetheless!
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                  • PD77
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-11-09
                    • 2380

                    #10
                    If you would have won the bet would you have told them to take it back because it was a bad line?
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                    • pokerplayer22
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-09-09
                      • 1207

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PD77
                      If you would have won the bet would you have told them to take it back because it was a bad line?
                      LOL...Certainly
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                      • tommygun
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-01-10
                        • 2239

                        #12
                        ....the ****?
                        BETTING EXCHANGES, easy money.

                        Soccer Tipping: 5-0-1
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                        • rowand13
                          SBR Hustler
                          • 10-25-11
                          • 53

                          #13
                          Thegreek knew it was a bad line even before I tried to explain anything. The bet was still in a pending status during my phone call with CS, and was immediately graded as a loss after the call. I am sure the bet would have been cancelled had I won. If you guys think about this, you might feel that thegreek should carry some responsibility about offering an obvious line error, admitting it, and waiting until the game is over to grade it as a loss. Why did not they just cancel the bet immediately or even later during the game, and suspend my account if they want. But suspending the account and have the plays stand. Do you think this was a good behaviour on their side??
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                          • tommygun
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-01-10
                            • 2239

                            #14
                            Originally posted by rowand13
                            Thegreek knew it was a bad line even before I tried to explain anything. I am sure the bet would have been cancelled had I won.
                            did they cancel everyone else's wagers on this match? doubt it.
                            BETTING EXCHANGES, easy money.

                            Soccer Tipping: 5-0-1
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                            • rowand13
                              SBR Hustler
                              • 10-25-11
                              • 53

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pokerplayer22
                              If you would have just alerted them of the bad line, they prolly would have credited your acct with a freeplay as a thank you...which may have helped get you out of your rut. Instead, you tried to take advantage of an obvious line error. For that, you deserve nothing.

                              Having said that, If they got any action on the other side (the winning side) and voided those winnings due to a line error, than thats just free rolling the players.

                              A few years ago, I alerted legends of a line error (a hockey game that started an hour earlier that they had it at, and the game was 3-0 in the 1st period and they still had a line posted) and they immediately moved my status with them to "pro player" and I have been given a freeplay every month since which i can win up to $500 on....And that will continue for the life of my acct with them.

                              You'll never get away with betting a bad line!!
                              First of all I had only a 30% doubt the line was incorrect. Second of all, I have tried that twice already in the past and got the following:
                              1. Placing me on hold for 2 minutes, changing the line to the correct odds, and then....Yes, but line managers were already informed about the error, so we will not give you a freeplay.
                              2. Placing me on hold for 2 minutes, changing the line, and then......Thank you sir, but we usually don't give a freeplay in these situations.
                              I have to admit though that the greek is a good book, and this was the only incident for me that I think their decision was unjust.
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                              • andywend
                                SBR MVP
                                • 05-20-07
                                • 4805

                                #16
                                Rowand, just in case you haven't gotten the message from the responses in this thread, you don't deserve any compensation whatsoever.

                                You took advantage of an obvious line error and got 19 points on a team that was only a 9 point underdog and still lost your wager. This sounds like something QQPalladium would do.

                                To ask the Greek for your money back after you lose the wager claiming you took advantage of an incorrect line is truly unbelieveable and I can't blame Wally for closing your account.

                                You have no case here and SBR will tell you the same.
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                                • rowand13
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 10-25-11
                                  • 53

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by andywend
                                  Rowand, just in case you haven't gotten the message from the responses in this thread, you don't deserve any compensation whatsoever.

                                  You took advantage of an obvious line error and got 19 points on a team that was only a 9 point underdog and still lost your wager. This sounds like something QQPalladium would do.

                                  To ask the Greek for your money back after you lose the wager claiming you took advantage of an incorrect line is truly unbelieveable and I can't blame Wally for closing your account.

                                  You have no case here and SBR will tell you the same.
                                  Then, Do you think it was legit that they did not cancel the bets during the game and waited well until after the game and graded them as a loss, knowing it was a line error. I doubt it if they can provide SBR with a single play on the other side -19 points that was honored as a win. I mean they are guilty of offering an obvious line error, attracting people to take it and then control the outcome in their favor. Think about it this way, if you are taking the Yankees or the Lakers at +250 instead of -250 and won the wager. Will they pay you??? I want your answer....
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                                  • skrtelfan
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 10-09-08
                                    • 1913

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by andywend
                                    Rowand, just in case you haven't gotten the message from the responses in this thread, you don't deserve any compensation whatsoever.

                                    You took advantage of an obvious line error and got 19 points on a team that was only a 9 point underdog and still lost your wager. This sounds like something QQPalladium would do.

                                    To ask the Greek for your money back after you lose the wager claiming you took advantage of an incorrect line is truly unbelieveable and I can't blame Wally for closing your account.

                                    You have no case here and SBR will tell you the same.
                                    This could be the first time Andywend has supported a book and was actually correct in doing so. Mark it on your calendars, SBR.
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                                    • Monte
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-21-10
                                      • 2056

                                      #19
                                      While this is comical, there is still 1 valid point...the bet prolly would have been cancelled if it was a winner.
                                      I know the greek, they cancel all bad lines. Cos i once took a ncaa hoops line that was just just 2.5 points off (which isn't that much, and i really didn't know the line is bad i just thought it was an opinion compared to my handicap), and ofc they cancelled it.
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                                      • in play, run(s)
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 06-10-09
                                        • 270

                                        #20
                                        I can't understand how you're basically complaining about TheGreek freerolling you, while you did exactly the same. I can understand that it's tempting to take a shot at bad lines, I did it as well in the past. But I never came to the idea of demanding compensation when I lose in that case.
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                                        • rowand13
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 10-25-11
                                          • 53

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by in play, run(s)
                                          I can't understand how you're basically complaining about TheGreek freerolling you, while you did exactly the same. I can understand that it's tempting to take a shot at bad lines, I did it as well in the past. But I never came to the idea of demanding compensation when I lose in that case.
                                          I think I deserve a compensation for this, beause they actually made and make lots of money out of this if you read the previous post and how they immediately cancel those kind of bets on NCAA Basketball when they win. Cancelling those bets if they won literally means 2 things:
                                          1. They know it is a bad line so they cancel the bet (after the event is over or when the outcome becomes obvious) or honor the loss if they loose, with zero chance to honor the bets if they win.
                                          2. It is their fault to offer that bad line and they should carry some responsibility as well, as nothing would have hapened if they offered the correct line or if they no actioned the wager any time during the game.
                                          So basically this is a win win situation for the sportsbook. And when it comes to thegreek where they have a good software, it increases the odds that they are doing this IN PURPOSE. Imagine how much money they can make out of this if they do it just a few times a week. The point to argue is why did they make the plays stay pending all 2 hours during the game, even though they admitted to me that they knew it was a bad line and never argued the fact that the line was incorrect. Put your self in my position and think about yourself losing money because of a so-called line error that was the sportsbook mistake to offer. I want your opinions...
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                                          • C.S.
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 10-23-09
                                            • 237

                                            #22
                                            They didn't cancel right away because no one in the free world gives a rats ass about u20 eastern euro ball, except for guys banging bad numbers. If I didn't work in the industry, I'd think this has to be some sort of level. Unfortunately, I seen emails like this way too many times from guys like you.
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                                            • TheMoneyShot
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 02-14-07
                                              • 28672

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by shari91
                                              Hi rowand -

                                              The best thing to do if you'd like someone from SBR to investigate your case is to fill out a Sportsbook Complaint Form with all of your details.
                                              Shari... what can the OP do? Nothing. He was playing with Fire. I've spoken to Wally before... about 8 years ago regarding a play. Wally knows what he's doing... he anticipates things really well. You can tell just by the way he communicates. The OP took a shot at a bad line. He lost anyways... even if the team would of covered... TheGreek would of graded it as no play.

                                              Lesson learned here... you never take a shot at a bad line. You can lose both ways. 1. Worrying while watching the game to see if your wager wins. 2. Worrying if it will be graded properly. It's not worth the stress. House Rules.
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                                              • rowand13
                                                SBR Hustler
                                                • 10-25-11
                                                • 53

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                                Shari... what can the OP do? Nothing. He was playing with Fire. I've spoken to Wally before... about 8 years ago regarding a play. Wally knows what he's doing... he anticipates things really well. You can tell just by the way he communicates. The OP took a shot at a bad line. He lost anyways... even if the team would of covered... TheGreek would of graded it as no play.

                                                Lesson learned here... you never take a shot at a bad line. You can lose both ways. 1. Worrying while watching the game to see if your wager wins. 2. Worrying if it will be graded properly. It's not worth the stress. House Rules.
                                                Thank you TheMoneyShot for the explanation. Indeed I have learned the lesson already. I did not like thegreek's decision though as an A+ rated sportsbook since this was my first incident with my account there which is 5 years old that they completely disregarded and wanted to close my account. All I want you to think about is that even though I should carry some responsibility for not referring the book to my doubts towards the line, I have not benefited a penny from this, but thegreek did benefit $500. If I am thegreek I would think that this is a very good wager to keep pending, as there is a 30% chance that the -19 would cover which did and earned the sportsbook $500. Or it would not cover and cost them nothing, and that is what they exactly did. Which really frustrates me, and makes me ask for a rule that would cover those situations clearly and fairly. Like may be no action all wagers anyway and suspend the player's account, or refund only half of the stake amount if he looses....etc. But for the player to pay for their mistakes, that's freerolling the player.
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                                                • Emily_Haines
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-14-09
                                                  • 15917

                                                  #25
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                                                  • shari91
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 02-23-10
                                                    • 32661

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

                                                    Shari... what can the OP do? Nothing. He was playing with Fire. I've spoken to Wally before... about 8 years ago regarding a play. Wally knows what he's doing... he anticipates things really well. You can tell just by the way he communicates. The OP took a shot at a bad line. He lost anyways... even if the team would of covered... TheGreek would of graded it as no play.

                                                    Lesson learned here... you never take a shot at a bad line. You can lose both ways. 1. Worrying while watching the game to see if your wager wins. 2. Worrying if it will be graded properly. It's not worth the stress. House Rules.
                                                    There really won't be much he can do. But as an employee I have to make him aware of the complaint form and hope that other posters will come in and explain why he's out of luck here. My saying "sorry pal, you took a shot and lost" doesn't really help matters at all.
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