Betfair $3.1 million slow-pay and other pro player issues (Video)

**anty** · 11-14-11, 12:08 PM

Today I had a conversation with Kacharava mobster (and also betfair PSP and betfair poker-live organizer in the near past) and he offered me 400000 USD for writing to betfair that everything is all right. Just 400000 instead of almost 3.1 mln they still have to pay! Even if I was a poverty-stricken guy I wouldn't agree to such "terms" I have some dignity.
Btw, pity I couldn't record this cause the conversation took place on their conditions, I met with their secretary, she gave me a cell phone and then Kacharava made a call to this cell-phone.

**jackkkk2009** · 11-14-11, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

You can have multi accounts at BetFair as long as its all under your name

Some players like to separate accounts for each sport so they can track

why do they allow their players to have more than one account for one person with the same name?

**TFC** · 11-14-11, 01:01 PM

As somebody who has had a Betfair account for years (and thus far without any problems) -- I'm concerned about this issue. I'm also concerned that SBR seems to be ignoring it. How can we trust the rating system here if Betfair is still an A despite this on-going long-time issue? Can someone from SBR at least poke a comment in here and tell us the status of their investigation? Why the silence? What's going on?

**kmarinouofm** · 11-14-11, 01:25 PM

this would be an awesome movie.. i feel for this guy though

**anty** · 11-14-11, 01:26 PM

Well, I have to defend SBR a little bit here. In particular Justin helped a lot, made a great video, there was a little inexactness about sums but still he raised this issue. Also he advised me on some aspects of this case. And its a little bit unrealistic to expect from SBR an investigation its a job for other people and hopefully they would do it properly.
But I agree with you about betfair not deserving an A-rating, not only cause of my case but also cause of other issues like Premium Charge extortions when they take money from accounts without any proof of wrongdoing.

**anty** · 11-14-11, 01:33 PM

But Betfair... since the reply in May advising me to "liaise with PSP" there wasn't a single word from them. And the people who helped the mobsters to steal the money, in particular Russian Service Chief Yevgeny Ulanov and Chief Eastern European manager Milena Ivanova are still working there!!!

**bettilimbroke999** · 11-14-11, 02:13 PM

All this is hard to believe. Dont get me wrong I believe it, but its still hard to believe.

Why would Betfair be sending huge payments to Russian mobsters to then pay their players when their service is completely legal in that part of the world?

I could understand a book doing crazy shit to process a payout for a US player owed a ton but we are talking about the biggest online gambling site in the world and completely legal to use where the OP is from.

Surely the OP is not the first to get a huge payout from BF, is this really the standard procedure when one of their huge bettors requests a payout....send it to a mobster and hope the mobster pays him?

**Hareeba!** · 11-14-11, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

All this is hard to believe. Dont get me wrong I believe it, but its still hard to believe.

Why would Betfair be sending huge payments to Russian mobsters to then pay their players when their service is completely legal in that part of the world?

I could understand a book doing crazy shit to process a payout for a US player owed a ton but we are talking about the biggest online gambling site in the world and completely legal to use where the OP is from.

Surely the OP is not the first to get a huge payout from BF, is this really the standard procedure when one of their huge bettors requests a payout....send it to a mobster and hope the mobster pays him?

BF paid the money to PSP because that was Anty's direction to them as his master account holder.

You're right mate. Clearly we don't have all the facts behind this case but that hasn't stopped most posters here from declaring BF to be the guilty party.

**anty** · 11-14-11, 02:56 PM

Hareeba, don't you think its betfair responsibilty to check their PSP before they advise customers to deal with them?

**SportsMushroom** · 11-14-11, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by anty

Hareeba, don't you think its betfair responsibilty to check their PSP before they advise customers to deal with them?

he's a fool

logic is not his strong suit

**thechaoz** · 11-14-11, 03:24 PM

Wow ....just can't trust any book nowadays

**Hareeba!** · 11-14-11, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by anty

Hareeba, don't you think its betfair responsibilty to check their PSP before they advise customers to deal with them?

If Betfair were to advise a customer to deal through a particular third party, then yes I agree they have some degree of responsibility to have done their due diligence on them.

**bettilimbroke999** · 11-14-11, 03:55 PM

Hard to believe Betfair is doing nothing to correct this, very weird story. I hope you get paid soon anty, we are a universe apart in our level of gambling but everyone who bets online knows how ****** up getting paid out from these books can be, some operate more like thieves than businesses.

**robzilla** · 11-14-11, 03:56 PM

This could be a movie. Russian mobster, scandal, lots of money involved, Justin7...everything a movie needs.

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-14-11, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by anty

But Betfair... since the reply in May advising me to "liaise with PSP" there wasn't a single word from them. And the people who helped the mobsters to steal the money, in particular Russian Service Chief Yevgeny Ulanov and Chief Eastern European manager Milena Ivanova are still working there!!!

How did you fund your Betfair account, Anty?
When withdrawing, were there any other options available to you?

**anty** · 11-14-11, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

How did you fund your Betfair account, Anty?
When withdrawing, were there any other options available to you?

When I played within this Master Account scheme I funded the account through PSP. And I could withdraw also only through PSP. When betfair realised that this particular PSP are swindlers they closed their Master account and transferred all customers subaccounts into normal accounts with all the money.
But for me this move came 6 months too late...

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-14-11, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by anty

When I played within this Master Account scheme I funded the account through PSP. And I could withdraw also only through PSP. When betfair realised that this particular PSP are swindlers they closed their Master account and transferred all customers subaccounts into normal accounts with all the money.
But for me this move came 6 months too late...

Ah, I see.

I presume that it has been verified that Betfair paid the full amount to the PSP and Betfair are therefore saying that from there side everything is finished. I hate to say it but in your shoes taking the 400k might have been the least costly option.

Can I ask how much you deposited through these crooks?

**Inkwell77** · 11-14-11, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by robzilla

This could be a movie. Russian mobster, scandal, lots of money involved, Justin7...everything a movie needs.

**wrongturn** · 11-14-11, 05:10 PM

anty, you never realized the money was in complete control of the master account, not befair?

**anty** · 11-14-11, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

Ah, I see.

I presume that it has been verified that Betfair paid the full amount to the PSP and Betfair are therefore saying that from there side everything is finished. I hate to say it but in your shoes taking the 400k might have been the least costly option.

Can I ask how much you deposited through these crooks?

I don't remember overall sum (and the history of the account is available only for the last three months, for everything else you have to write to betfair) but I think I never deposited more than 30-50k in 1 move. I won all this money

, its a pity I can't receive them

**anty** · 11-14-11, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by wrongturn

anty, you never realized the money was in complete control of the master account, not befair?

I thought that cause betfair managemet advised to use them they are trustworthy and so I didn't think of those things.

**anty** · 11-14-11, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

I hate to say it but in your shoes taking the 400k might have been the least costly option.

It was never an option. I don't know about my chances of receiving the full amount, probably they are very small. May be I ll get nothing at all. But I will never agree to the mobsters conditions.

**shari91** · 11-14-11, 05:29 PM

anty - You've conducted yourself unbelievably well on the forum throughout all of this and I think all of us reading your thread appreciate it as it makes your issues much easier to understand. It's a nice change to have someone post calmly and rationally about their issues with a book/exchange... considering the amount of money involved and the length of time you've been waiting in comparison to some of the other issues we've seen on the forum lately with much smaller payments delayed for a few weeks.

I really hope you get some resolution to this soon. The amount of money involved is just staggering. Good luck anty

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-14-11, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by shari91

anty - You've conducted yourself unbelievably well on the forum throughout all of this and I think all of us reading your thread appreciate it as it makes your issues much easier to understand. It's a nice change to have someone post calmly and rationally about their issues with a book/exchange... considering the amount of money involved and the length of time you've been waiting in comparison to some of the other issues we've seen on the forum lately with much smaller payments delayed for a few weeks.

I really hope you get some resolution to this soon. The amount of money involved is just staggering. Good luck anty

I fully agree but realistically, Betfair are not going to move here.
I am not suggesting it is the case but from Betfair's perspective Anty could be affiliated with the PSP.

**anty** · 11-14-11, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

I fully agree but realistically, Betfair are not going to move here.
I am not suggesting it is the case but from Betfair's perspective Anty could be affiliated with the PSP.

To know the truth they should make an investigation. Then they will probably find out that some of their high-profile managers are affiliated with the PSP...
But they do nothing!

**shari91** · 11-14-11, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

I fully agree but realistically, Betfair are not going to move here.
I am not suggesting it is the case but from Betfair's perspective Anty could be affiliated with the PSP.

Yes, you're probably right unfortunately. It's just really refreshing for the US posters who can't play at Betfair or someone like me who only plays at Betfair recreationally and will never be involved in any complicated transactions there to have an issue of this magnitude discussed so calmly. Much easier to follow what's going on when the thread hasn't been hijacked by arguing and name calling.

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-14-11, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by anty

To know the truth they should make an investigation. Then they will probably find out that some of their high-profile managers are affiliated with the PSP...
But they do nothing!

I hope things work out. Have you considered legal action against Betfair in the UK, that would appear to be the only way for the books to be opened up. I am guessing that such action against the PSP is not possible/advisable.

If I have read the thread correctly, it is sad that Betfair's advice to you to use this Master Account holder has led to this.

N.b. The misinformation (perhaps due to lack of first hand experience) perpetuated by Justin7 in this thread with regard to Premium Charge is shocking.

**pay on time** · 11-15-11, 12:46 AM

How has betfair not been downgraded? stiffing a player 3.1 million and still an A rating? Unreal.

**anty** · 11-15-11, 01:05 AM

Of course I am in contact with lawyers they are trying to find a solution... thats all I can say at the moment.

**pay on time** · 11-15-11, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by anty

Of course I am in contact with lawyers they are trying to find a solution... thats all I can say at the moment.

Geez man, I feel for you. I wanna rip peoples head off if they are late on 250$ payment, let alone stiffing me. Let's just say, for 3.1M some evil thoughts and desires would arise within me concerning the top heads at betfair. Hope u get your funds man. They're totally in the wrong.

**Monte** · 11-15-11, 01:33 AM

In a perfect world you would get paid in full, and BF goes down by the law.
I'd enjoy that. Anyway gl, i don't think anything you wrote is fishy at all.

**yokspot** · 11-25-11, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

I fully agree but realistically, Betfair are not going to move here.
I am not suggesting it is the case but from Betfair's perspective Anty could be affiliated with the PSP.

LOL.

The PSP is actually Betfair's business partner, Irakli Kacharava. He organises poker events for them in Russia and thereabouts. How exactly are you suggesting they think Anty may be ripping them off, particularly considering that noone has actually suggested he isn't rightly owed?

FF's sake.

Originally posted by shari91

anty - You've conducted yourself unbelievably well on the forum throughout all of this and I think all of us reading your thread appreciate it as it makes your issues much easier to understand. It's a nice change to have someone post calmly and rationally about their issues with a book/exchange...

Yes, it is very good of Anty to be so civil after being effectively robbed of 3.1 million dollars by a book rated A by SBR. People should also bear in mind, since shill Hereeba keeps trying to muddy this particular water, that the debt has never been questioned. Betfair paid it in very small part, then welched on the substantial remainder.

BTW, if you do a Google of "Irakli Kacharava", the Russian PSP crook who's sitting on this seven-figure wad of cash, my article seems to be at the top.

**robzilla** · 11-25-11, 09:30 AM

I went through a lot just to get 4 figures from the PSP click and buy. SBR should also review PSPs.

**yokspot** · 11-25-11, 07:04 PM

All those YouTube videos of the Betfair Russian dollies interviewing Kacharava have been deleted. Glad I took screenshots of his pretty little face.

Seriously, what a ******* mafia den. Soviet Betfair is obviously a different setup to Betfair UK et al, but this shit is just scary.

**mighty maron** · 11-25-11, 07:15 PM

Still A rated...oh well