Is Pinny in trouble?

**durito** · 07-22-11, 12:52 PM

why did they make cfl 6c

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 12:53 PM

they made cfl/arena 6c both earlier this week (well arena today because they never post before the day of) then dropped the limits to nothing

just a tease IMO

**calm** · 07-22-11, 01:14 PM

Your swiss army knife football model has them scared shitless. NFL limits will be <$10,000, mark my words.

**Monte** · 07-22-11, 01:20 PM

Clearly, that's why i see 50k on all mlb MLs right now.

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 01:51 PM

Listen, Monte. All I'm saying is it seems odd and suspicious and I've been taught since 9/11 if I see something, to say something, so I'm saying something. Lets not having Pinnacle turn into another BetPhoenix fiasco.

**Monte** · 07-22-11, 02:01 PM

lol, yea whatever

**John Dough** · 07-22-11, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

Listen, Monte. All I'm saying is it seems odd and suspicious and I've been taught since 9/11 if I see something, to say something, so I'm saying something. Lets not having Pinnacle turn into another BetPhoenix fiasco.

Did you really just compare Pinny to BetPhoenix? Seriously?

**AimingHigh** · 07-22-11, 02:07 PM

WTH? This can't be compared to 9/11. It seems like they're trying out a new model - less juice, lower limits. If it works out for them, maybe they'll up the limits again?

**bookie** · 07-22-11, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

I've been taught since 9/11 if I see something, to say something, so I'm saying something.

It's the Patriot Act people who have taught you that garbage and it seems they've finally got what they're after: Americans have lost the distinction between caution and paranoia.

**calm** · 07-22-11, 02:29 PM

And Pinnacle.

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 02:30 PM

This is akin to a huge pay cut to me and with the way the world is right now no one can afford a pay cut. I mean I wasted like 300+ hours between Arena and CFL between last year and this and now instead of getting rewarded I'm facing a pay cut because Pinny must be having some sort of problem.

I mean why can I bet $250 on a 3000 meter Steeplechase between

451 Brimin Kiprop Kipruto (KEN) +106 Risk To Win
452 Paul Kipsiele Koech (KEN) -124

But only $100 a time on Spokane Shock/Jacksonvilla Sharks game on national TV

**JohnnyC** · 07-22-11, 02:38 PM

I'm significantly drawing down my balance there. This news along with their live soccer freerolling has me extremely bearish on this offshore shop.

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 02:41 PM

I'm raising the Pinny threat level to orange. Also how is a guy from Kenya named Paul?

**BigDaddy** · 07-22-11, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

Lets not having Pinnacle turn into another BetPhoenix fiasco.

you are ******* clueless.

**Monte** · 07-22-11, 02:42 PM

Where do these guys come from?

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

you are ******* clueless.

Will you buy my BetPhoenix affiliate debt?

**BigDaddy** · 07-22-11, 02:55 PM

maybe you don't understand why i said you were clueless?

you putting pinnacle and betphoenix in the same sentence

have a nice day.

**Chuck Sims** · 07-22-11, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

I'm raising the Pinny threat level to orange. Also how is a guy from Kenya named Paul?

I'm raising your ignorance threat level to red.

As a person who has lived in Kenya, the people there are embracing moderization, which includes naming their children with names that modern countries use.

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 03:03 PM

I don't understand all the hate for bringing attention to what might become a major scandal. It's almost like there's a group out there trying to push a certain message and any time it's about to be exposed they go and try to discredit the OP before it gets people thinking.

That is exactly what happened with BetPhoenix. People were posting clues but they were being suppressed by a select few who would just throw around insults, but then look what happened. Same thing with President Obama (if you don't like him you must be racist or religious nut).

**JohnnyC** · 07-22-11, 03:07 PM

Alot of mouthpieces in this thread, Haaay chucky boi WSEX, never forgit.

**Monte** · 07-22-11, 03:09 PM

hey, what you are saying is that this limit might lead to the fail of the unquestionable best book in the world.
Sorry if we make fun of you

**John Dough** · 07-22-11, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

That is exactly what happened with BetPhoenix. People were posting clues but they were being suppressed by a select few who would just throw around insults, but then look what happened. Same thing with President Obama (if you don't like him you must be racist or religious nut).

Except that BetPHX is a small-time shop while Pinny is and has been an industry leader for a decade.

Do you honestly think that these two shop have anything remotely in common?

Take off the tin foil hat, there's no conspiracy here, the problem is that your analogy is horrendous.

**bookie** · 07-22-11, 03:20 PM

Be interesting to see if Arena limits go up to $500 by post. So they don't want to book it...that's not a sign of trouble, that's a sign of prudence.

**rsigley** · 07-22-11, 03:27 PM

5Dimes takes $2500 on CFL and $500 on Arena (and puts them up on Monday). BM is $2000/$500. Why aren't they scared like Pinny? Can someone do a YouTube with them and find out?

I knew something was up when they posted the UFL Superbowl line at 12:28, for a game that started at 12:30 but I didn't think it would get this bad.

**cobra_king** · 07-22-11, 03:34 PM

Comical

**John Dough** · 07-22-11, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by rsigley

5Dimes takes $2500 on CFL and $500 on Arena (and puts them up on Monday). BM is $2000/$500. Why aren't they scared like Pinny? Can someone do a YouTube with them and find out?

I knew something was up when they posted the UFL Superbowl line at 12:28, for a game that started at 12:30 but I didn't think it would get this bad.

5Dimes cuts limits of anyone who wins. Some sharps can't even bet $2500 on far larger markets.

Your analogies continue to be horrible.

**JohnnyC** · 07-22-11, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by John Dough

Except that BetPHX is a small-time shop while Pinny is and has been an industry leader for a decade.

Do you honestly think that these two shop have anything remotely in common?

Take off the tin foil hat, there's no conspiracy here, the problem is that your analogy is horrendous.

Only a year ago BetPhoenix was considered a top shop, almost on par with Pinnacle.

Any book can fail and holding Pinnacle to a gold standard is ridiculous, it's a mindset that will leave you stiffed and bitter.

Sigley is doing what any sharp should do, looking for signs of a book in trouble. Reducing limits to McNugget money is a common sign of a book sliding downhill.

**skrtelfan** · 07-22-11, 05:29 PM

I would think the opposite if they are reducing limits in a niche sport they are protecting themselves and as such more stable.

**Frogger** · 07-22-11, 06:39 PM

Pinny is obviously taking this action at -103 to brag about low juice and claim they do offer those options. I can see the $100 on arena but arena moves like 10pts literally. A lot of dumb books just copy/paste from Pinnacle, not looking at the limits.

Canadian should be at least $5000 though when CRIS is taking $2000. I would prefer a 10cent line (-105/-105) and $5000 limit.

**GoldenRichards** · 07-22-11, 06:55 PM

Pinnacle is a smart book and is fine

**chemicalbrother** · 07-22-11, 07:01 PM

i have 2 better questions: how hard are people being leveled in this thread? and how did a non-pro just get a 100-point transfer?

**Emily_Haines** · 07-22-11, 07:07 PM

They also quit posting odds on international U18, U19 and U20 tournaments all together. Throw in there 100 openers on CBB totals and you have a book that is plenty frightened.

**Monte** · 07-22-11, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyC

Only a year ago BetPhoenix was considered a top shop, almost on par with Pinnacle.

By the forum clowns maybe, wow this thread continues to go for the fail award of the month.

**trixtrix** · 07-22-11, 07:22 PM

fwiw, mma historical limits were something like 500->5000->500->10000, i think this is more indicative of them hiring someone new and want him taking baby steps