Not Looking Good For U.S. Players

[PharaohUB]

Parlaymakers, GP burns customers.
Bodog not sending checks to NY.
Matchbook, Sportsbook.com not serving US customers anymore.
Delayed payout complaints everywhere from books that used to be reliable.

Sure you can add more to this list.

Is my money safe anywhere? (other than heritage, but I like to bet tennis... )

In the past they always figured this out, but this is just looking really bad. I want to sweat the game not the payout ;-). I am sick of paying 20 cents lines for straight wagers. and 30 cents and above for halftimes and props just for the convenience of knowing I will be paid. Makes me want to move to Europe
Thank god I have Heritage. It's about all decent that's left.

[John Dough]

I've either been paid personally or know others who have without issue from Bookmaker, 5Dimes, BetPhoenix, Sportsbook.com, BetJM, and Greek all within the past two weeks. I really don't know why you think Heritage is the only safe book taking US action.

I've stated this in other threads so I'll state it again... I think people are overreacting. Many books have had processor issues from time to time for the past several years and the relaible shops always manage to get things sorted out. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, based on recent payout experience and reports, most top-rated (and some lesser-rated) books are paying out just fine.

[sharpcat]

Things will get back on track here in time.

[packman]

Parlaymakers, GP burns customers.
Bodog not sending checks to NY.
Matchbook, Sportsbook.com not serving US customers anymore.
Delayed payout complaints everywhere from books that used to be reliable.

Sure you can add more to this list.

Is my money safe anywhere? (other than heritage, but I like to bet tennis... )

In the past they always figured this out, but this is just looking really bad. I want to sweat the game not the payout ;-). I am sick of paying 20 cents lines for straight wagers. and 30 cents and above for halftimes and props just for the convenience of knowing I will be paid. Makes me want to move to Europe
Thank god I have Heritage. It's about all decent that's left.

Agree. I'm done with post up. A couple more weeks of withdraws and I will be completely cashed out. Its credit only from this point forward.

[PharaohUB]

I've either been paid personally or know others who have without issue from Bookmaker, 5Dimes, BetPhoenix, Sportsbook.com, BetJM, and Greek all within the past two weeks. I really don't know why you think Heritage is the only safe book taking US action.

I've stated this in other threads so I'll state it again... I think people are overreacting. Many books have had processor issues from time to time for the past several years and the relaible shops always manage to get things sorted out. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, based on recent payout experience and reports, most top-rated (and some lesser-rated) books are paying out just fine.

Which ones of those books you mentioned does not rape you on juice and processing fees, and will have a variety of betting options? Like most European books do.

Do you REALLY feel safe with your money if you were to win 100k At BetPhoenix, sportsbook, or 5dimes? Really? I would feel safe at bookmaker, betjm, and the greek. Problem with them is you will never win 100k with them, because you are paying at least ten cents for every bet minimum, and BetJm will limit you if you start making money on their 5 cent lines for baseball. Probably long before you hit 25k, let alone 100k.

Tell me where I can take my money, have a variety of betting options, at a reasonable price, and feel that my money is safe???

[THEGREAT30]

Another overreaction by posters

[PharaohUB]

Another overreaction by posters

nice contribution

[John Dough]

Which ones of those books you mentioned does not rape you on juice and processing fees, and will have a variety of betting options? Like most European books do.

Do you REALLY feel safe with your money if you were to win 100k At BetPhoenix, sportsbook, or 5dimes? Really? I would feel safe at bookmaker, betjm, and the greek. Problem with them is you will never win 100k with them, because you are paying at least ten cents for every bet minimum, and BetJm will limit you if you start making money on their 5 cent lines for baseball. Probably long before you hit 25k, let alone 100k.

Tell me where I can take my money, have a variety of betting options, at a reasonable price, and feel that my money is safe???

I don't bet big enough to worry about winning 100K (at least in in one year) at a single book. I also manage to make money laying -110 on several sports. Sure it would be easier to win if I still had access to Pinny and/or Matchbook, but it is what it is. If your criteria for why things are "not looking good for U.S. players" is a lack of reduced vig options and inability to win 100K, then you should have been clearer. That's not the criteria I use to assess the situation.

I feel safe keeping and winning 5-figures from the aforementioned list (not counting BetPHX, they cut my limits too low and I'll be done with them after one last payout), I pay almost zero in processing fees, and the variety of offerings suits me just fine. And lastly, because your original post focused on payout issues (not limits or reduced vig), I have had no recent issues in that department. Based on those facts, things may not look as good as they once did, but I don't think they sky is falling or that it's time to bail on offshore betting.

[goblue12]

Sportsbook.com not serving US customers anymore.

Not true at all.

[PharaohUB]

All good points. Maybe I'm getting paranoid. I'm using BetOnline right now and have been winning quite a bit. Deposited $300 last wed or so, was down to $75 on Friday. Since then went on a tear of hitting parleys and winning a lot in tennis. Requested a $2500 check and $800 ** today. My balance will be around 2k once my tennis bets are settled. Anyway my point is I just don't feel safe winning big anymore. It seems like a lot of books don't mind paying until someone hits them for 50-100K. What if my tear continues and I build a balance to 50 K. Will betonline pay me?? Or will they come up with some crap that I have manipulate tennis parley bets or some crap i don't even understand. I'm not so sure... I am probably being too paranoid, but I think you are being too hunky-dory about the situation. I never expected WSEX to stiff and they did, didnt they? I should just go back to Bet Jamaica, but they don't have tennis. ba humbug

[PharaohUB]

I could of sworn i read somehwere sportsbook.com was not accepting players from US effective May 1st. Maybe I'm losing it.

[bizzle66]

The business isnt going anywhere, things will be back to normal soon

[mr.inpak]

just got payed by wagerchief and betjamaica no problems

[John Dough]

I could of sworn i read somehwere sportsbook.com was not accepting players from US effective May 1st. Maybe I'm losing it.

Not accepting NEW players from the US. Business as usual for existing players.

[PharaohUB]

Got you. Well just received ** from Betonline 5 hours later. Feeling better now!

[Hareeba!]

Tell me where I can take my money, have a variety of betting options, at a reasonable price, and feel that my money is safe???

Canada, Mexico, Panama, Europe, Australia, Asia

[goucla]

las vegas or ur dreaming really or europe

[me-first]

Things haven't been great for us US players wagering offshore since we lost neteller and Pinnacle..Not much has changed since. Things remain OK, but I don't see it being "great" again any time soon..

[SportsBettingPro]

If you really have the ability to win $50K-$100K, I'm sure you are smart enough to figure out plenty of ways around being located in the USA.

[agharah1]

If you can win 50-100k, you can afford to fly to Vegas every weekend.

[thegreen]

Which ones of those books you mentioned does not rape you on juice and processing fees, and will have a variety of betting options? Like most European books do.

Do you REALLY feel safe with your money if you were to win 100k At BetPhoenix, sportsbook, or 5dimes? Really? I would feel safe at bookmaker, betjm, and the greek. Problem with them is you will never win 100k with them, because you are paying at least ten cents for every bet minimum, and BetJm will limit you if you start making money on their 5 cent lines for baseball. Probably long before you hit 25k, let alone 100k.

Tell me where I can take my money, have a variety of betting options, at a reasonable price, and feel that my money is safe???

If you are US your money is not safe anywhere....If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye. The books will care less about paying us if they get caught in......The terms and conditions even say it in some cases.....lol In the US you need a local or be in Vegas. Anything else is just taking a great risk with money. If you can afford to lose all your funds you have no worries. If not stay away for now until things get legalized in US..

[vyomguy]

If you are US your money is not safe anywhere....If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye. The books will care less about paying us if they get caught in......The terms and conditions even say it in some cases.....lol In the US you need a local or be in Vegas. Anything else is just taking a great risk with money. If you can afford to lose all your funds you have no worries. If not stay away for now until things get legalized in US..

There is a difference between poker sites and soportsbooks. The poker sites were advertising everywhere openly. They were visible. Besides they bought a fukkin bank for gods sake. Sportsbooks are completely located offshore and barely advertise. Most of the public dont know about sportsbooks. But every kid knows about pokerstars and fulltilt. There is a big difference.

[John Dough]

If you are US your money is not safe anywhere....If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye. The books will care less about paying us if they get caught in......The terms and conditions even say it in some cases.....lol In the US you need a local or be in Vegas. Anything else is just taking a great risk with money. If you can afford to lose all your funds you have no worries. If not stay away for now until things get legalized in US..

Another fear-mongering post by you?

Please stop already. Your sweeping generalizations and poor analogies demonstrate you don't know much about the offshore gambling industry.

[Scooter]

thegreen - "If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye."

I'm not happy with the situation either, but some reality is in order.

Cite one example where what you are stating - "..you can kiss your money bye bye" actually occurred.
The most recent example is just the opposite.


The Feds did just shut down USA poker in the blink of an eye, along with their processors.
But all money is being returned, with the approval of the Feds.

Look at my post in the "May Payouts" sticky. It took me 24 hours to get my PokerStars balance back in full with no fee, once the payback procedure was approved by the Feds.

Neteller likewise - money was ultimately returned (although in that case it took about 10 months).

[John Dough]

If you can win 50-100k, you can afford to fly to Vegas every weekend.

Silly statement. 50-100K per month? Per year? Also, pros making serious money bet 7 days a week, utilize line shopping, multiple outs, etc. Flying to Vegas every weekend is not how successful gamblers operate and very impractical.

[thegreen]

and poker is LEGAL....gambling is not. What I said is true. These 3rd party processors using wrong codes to pass through gambling charges will be the demise of the industry. Trust me!!! Your money is not insured and very far from safe.

[John Dough]

and poker is LEGAL....gambling is not. What I said is true. These 3rd party processors using wrong codes to pass through gambling charges will be the demise of the industry. Trust me!!! Your money is not insured and very far from safe.

OK, you must be right, I'll trust you.

[thegreen]

[quote=Scooter;9860176]

If you are US your money is not safe anywhere....If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye. /quote]

"If the feds can shut down Poker in a blink of an eye they can shut down these shady processors and sites too..If they shut down one of these processors from an A book that you have money involved with you can kiss your money bye bye."

I'm not happy with the situation either, but some reality is in order.

Cite one example where what you are stating - "..you can kiss your money bye bye" actually occurred.
The most recent example is just the opposite.

The Feds did just shut down USA poker in the blink of an eye But all money is being returned, with the approval of the Feds.

Look at my post in the "May Payouts" sticky. It took me 24 hours to get my PokerStars balance back in full with no fee.

Cite one example where what you are stating - "..you can kiss your money bye bye" actually occurred.
The most recent example is just the opposite

Not in US....took me over 10 days and Full Tilt still in limbo....Believe me when offshore books go down no deals will be made to get us our funds back they will be BYE BYE forever..If I was not in US I would stay away from any book that accepts USA players..Best to stay with Pinny or Bet fair and you will be safe,,,,

[Scooter]

thegreen - "...took me over 10 days..."

There's a big difference between 10 days to get your money back and "kiss your money goodbye".

Once again - cite one example where what you have stated - "kiss your money goodbye" due to a US Government shutdown - actually occurred.

[scott235]

Very few know what is going to happen, and those that deliver the potentially bad news will be attacked by the book reps and shills on the forum.

Bottomline: trust nothing you read on SBR concerning the end of sportsbetting.

[John Dough]

Very few know what is going to happen, and those that deliver the potentially bad news will be attacked by the book reps and shills on the forum.

I agree that no one can see into the future, anything is possible, but those that deliver potentially bad news and present as if it's fact, rather than the uninformed doomsday speculation that it is, will be attacked by those who know more about the industry than they do... not just book reps and shills.

[relaaxx]

better safe than sorry really never worked for me. risk/reward does. still worth a shot to play offshore.

[sharpcat]

[QUOTE=thegreen;9860247]

Not in US....took me over 10 days and Full Tilt still in limbo....Believe me when offshore books go down no deals will be made to get us our funds back they will be BYE BYE forever..If I was not in US I would stay away from any book that accepts USA players..Best to stay with Pinny or Bet fair and you will be safe,,,,

What is the deal with all of this nonsense you are posting? Do you have a single piece of well informed evidence of any such thing happening to back these silly claims?

Is this just one of those things that you say so that you can come back and pat yourself on the back later and say I told you so? Kind of like those guys who start a thread saying a big underdog will win, if you win your a genius if you lose who cares they had an 80% chances of losing.

[scott235]

Remember sportsfrance? He was treated like crap on this board for breaking the matchbook story? And we all know how that turned out.

The books will hold on to your funds until the very end and deny deny deny.

You are right JD, but the ones who know more about the industry don't know with any certainty either. Anyone who denies that the future is murky and uncertain for the american player is either lying or has their head stuck in the sand....that's all I'm sayin.

[Hareeba!]

Remember sportsfrance? He was treated like crap on this board for breaking the matchbook story? And we all know how that turned out..

No, I don't remember it.
Please fill me in
and also how it "turned out" ?