EasyStreet casino winner accused of using robot software

[cc440unn]

See this is where you don't understand having an advantage all comes down to your odds of winning compared to the odds you are being paid at. EZ offers a 5% rebate on casino losses and if the offer slightly higher payouts on their videopoker than your average machine does than they no longer have an advantage and may even be at a disadvantage. Most casinos do not mind the sharp action that they receive here because their generous offers draw in more recreational action than professional action because a pro player playing with a small advantage may only be able to generate $10 per hour which is not worth his time. In this case a professional player would locate a +EV scenario and be able to exploit it without investing any time into it other than what was spent developing the software.

Casinos will knowingly offer odds and perks that give a player value to draw in recreational play. I think it is fair for them to request that you actually invest the time to profit from this rather than to develop money printing software to sit there and rape them non stop 24 hours a day.

Basically if the player gains about a 0.25% edge he will theoretically earn about .25 cents on every $100 risked I personally feel it is unfair for a bot to sit and play 15 hands a minute while the player does nothing.

As i said in many post before, im not really good in englsih. I apologize if i made some error.

what ur saying is the 5% refunds on loss give the players a little edge in a sportsbook casino if he play the best possible strategy ?

[pokerplayer22]

boy they've drug this out! no matter the decision, i don't know how anyone could feel good playing there now.

Mainly for the reason that this is a relatively new sportsbook that is run by a known crook, they need to pay this player for 2 reasons. 1. Its the right thing to do. 2. They need to create a positive image for them and give potential new customers confidence in depositing with them (which Im not sure is a possibility any more).

[pokerplayer22]

So whats everyones prediction how Powers and EZ will handle this dispute tomorrow? I guess tomorrow they are going to have their decision. My guess is that they will split it with the player, which based on the ruling by Justin and SBR shouldnt be sufficient as there has been NO proof that the player cheated in any way. I thinking that EZ will think that that is fair, but at the same time they'll be saving 20k+. Will SBR downgrade them if they only pay half?

[Fishhead]

They advertise at THERX, why are they not handling this dispute?

[BrianLaverty]

TheRX would probably delete this thread within 5 minutes of it being made in the first place..... You should know by now how quick they are to protect there sponsors...

[Justin7]

EZStreet responded, and it was not what I had hoped for. We are still discussing it, and I am trying an alternative approach.

[pokerplayer22]

TheRX would probably delete this thread within 5 minutes of it being made in the first place..... You should know by now how quick they are to protect there sponsors...

100% Correct

[pokerplayer22]

EZStreet responded, and it was not what I had hoped for. We are still discussing it, and I am trying an alternative approach.

Uh oh...that doesnt sound promising. But it is Powers at his finest!! Justin...can we expect a downgrade to D- (the same as sportsbook.com) if he stiffs this player (the same as sportsbook.com has done with casino winners)?

[Justin7]

Uh oh...that doesnt sound promising. But it is Powers at his finest!! Justin...can we expect a downgrade to D- (the same as sportsbook.com) if he stiffs this player (the same as sportsbook.com has done with casino winners)?

I won't speculate on ratings until we have taken every reasonable approach possible to resolve this dispute.

[stevex]

pokerplayer, have anything better to do with your life?

[pokerplayer22]

pokerplayer, have anything better to do with your life?

No, not really...U?

[BrianLaverty]

pokerplayer, have anything better to do with your life?

You don't think this is an important issue?

Everyone should pay ALOT of attention to how they resolve this... I'd stay FAR away from EZ if they don't pay here.

[milwaukee mike]

so why dont pay him or because he use a bot....just make him lost more faster...

maybe i dont understand something...

here's what some of you guys don't understand

ENGLISH!!


COME ON JOHN LET'S BAN ANYONE THAT CAN'T TYPE IN ENGLISH.
just like at the poker tables, if you can't speak english then please don't speak!

if anyone thinks "why dont pay him or because he use a bot....just make him lost more faster" is english they are fukking crazy!!

[milwaukee mike]

You don't think this is an important issue?

Everyone should pay ALOT of attention to how they resolve this... I'd stay FAR away from EZ if they don't pay here.

i would stay far away from EZ even if they DO pay here.

one of those situations where both parties are to blame:
1) ez should be less liberal with their casino bonuses (if that's what caused a +ev situation) if they don't want this stuff to happen.
2) player shouldn't deposit 10k, use a bot, and then claim he is cheated when a c-rated book with dubious management refuses to pay him over 40k (what did you think was going to happen with a payout of that size?)

[pokerplayer22]

i would stay far away from EZ even if they DO pay here.

one of those situations where both parties are to blame:
1) ez should be less liberal with their casino bonuses (if that's what caused a +ev situation) if they don't want this stuff to happen.
2) player shouldn't deposit 10k, use a bot, and then claim he is cheated when a c-rated book with dubious management refuses to pay him over 40k (what did you think was going to happen with a payout of that size?)

To be honest, Even I will cut EZ some slack if they do pay the player in full. They are a relatively new book with management that has proven to be crooked in the past. Now they are trying to make a name for themself. This is one of those situations where they can do alot to build a better reputation or dig their own grave. Its their choice.

Now as for the player... Personally if i were going to deposit 10k I would do it in an A rated book, not a C rated book with management that over the years has proven to be very dishonest and corrupt. But maybe thats the problem...Maybe the player didnt know about EZ's management history...Thats where SBR has to come in and if EZ doesnt pay this player in full, then SBR MUST downgrade them and post up big warnings about this shop, so that future, unknowing players dont get screwed. Thats what SBR is here for.

[LegitBet]

I just keep thinking about that scene in Casino when DeNiro fires the cowboy because two jackpots hit almost back to back.
"Either you were in on it, or you're too dumb to know that shouldn't happen, either way YOU'RE FIRED!".
Btw my jury is still out on this thread, and we should all pay attention to the outcome, as this situation is a clear distillation of what we all are about.

[SBR_John]

Let's see what happens. Keep in mind they were already a C/C+ book. Not exactly in the A's. We kind of expect some of this from a C and D rated book. Like if Sportsbook.com pulled this it would not lead to a downgrade because they are already in the D group.

If you follow the top casino winners thread in PT then you have seen a couple of huge winners. They do happen. For the operator its a bit un nerving but a reality of operating a casino.

[SportsMozart]

Austin Powers will not pay the guy on general principle! Mark my words: this dispute goes on couple of more weeks and then hits the wall.EZ Sports will be downgraded for stealing. With stealing it is the same than with killing. After the first murder you suffer hard, after second it becomes a routine. After third you become addicted. So following that logic- Austin Powers will do it again and again and again cause he tasted his first blood long time ago! That is in his DNA by now

[mtneer1212]

Let's let Justin exhaust all of his approaches to resolve this dispute before burying EZ. But, it doesn't sound good for the player in question. I hope that some light is also shed on whether this player is a known scammer, for equal billing purposes.

[Fishhead]

TheRX would probably delete this thread within 5 minutes of it being made in the first place..... You should know by now how quick they are to protect there sponsors...

Chances are better for the player if TheRx handles this matter.

[pokerplayer22]

For some reason I always thought that SBR had more pull the therx but i could be wrong. If i were the player, i would try to post a thread at therx also...until they remove it.

[sharpcat]

i would stay far away from EZ even if they DO pay here.

one of those situations where both parties are to blame:
1) ez should be less liberal with their casino bonuses (if that's what caused a +ev situation) if they don't want this stuff to happen.
2) player shouldn't deposit 10k, use a bot, and then claim he is cheated when a c-rated book with dubious management refuses to pay him over 40k (what did you think was going to happen with a payout of that size?)

It is a shame that the solution here is to never give the recreational players a break because somebody is maliciously using a software program to exploit the generous offer that the casino is giving to its players.

Ironically it is all of the recreational players in this thread who are supporting the fat and greedy player who is abusing this generous offer and therefore he is actually stealing from the players and not the book in the long run.


Easiest solution for the book is to decrease bonus offers and payout pricing for all players

Thanks for cheating the casinos with your bot program Cory1111 all of us are getting awfully sick and tired of these casinos offering us generous odds

[Fishhead]

For some reason I always thought that SBR had more pull the therx but i could be wrong. If i were the player, i would try to post a thread at therx also...until they remove it.

No need to post a thread.........ask a mod, preferably Wilheim.

[cory1111]

hey sharpcat why dont you get facts straight before you make comments like that ....

[Fishhead]

hey sharpcat why dont you get facts straight before you make comments like that ....

Have you contacted RX?

If not, why not?

[sharpcat]

hey sharpcat why dont you get facts straight before you make comments like that ....

How much of an edge did you gain over the casino that inspired you to deposit $10K into a "C" rated book for your first deposit?

Exactly how many casinos have you been banned from?

How did your last no-pay complaint against Northbet go? What did they close your account for? That sure was a long time ago 11/19/10

I am currently with nortbet.com. They currently owe me 15000 dollars and shut my account down and told me they wont pay me another dime. Can anyone help?

Your right Cory1111 I do not have my facts straight how about you do us a favor and tell us the truth???

[cory1111]

first of all i dont need to explain to u sharpcat, but for ur info,never made an initial deposit of 10,000. that was over time just in 250 increments(all cash deposits-risk free)... i was getting 100% bonus cash on each deposit for ur info.(12x rollover-sportsbook) 25x rollover in casino) My largest deposit with them was 500 doll. ,u have to be an idiot to deposit 10,000 to anyone,also many sportsbooks wont take it. and for northbet i was paid everything i was owed,but that has nothing to do with this case. so again get ur facts straight please. the truth will come out soon.....
OH AND ALL 4 SPORTS MONITORS ARE AWARE OF SITUATION AND INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.....( SBR, RX,COVERS, AND DONBESTSPORTS)

[Fishhead]

WOW

[C.S.]

cory1111,
you are no innocent by any means. Sharpcat is telling it like it is. I am not a believer in karma, but it is cases like these that give me hope

[heyman]

ez should be less liberal with their casino bonuses (if that's what caused a +ev situation) if they don't want this stuff to happen.

Casinos will knowingly offer odds and perks that give a player value to draw in recreational play. I think it is fair for them to request that you actually invest the time to profit from this rather than to develop money printing software to sit there and rape them non stop 24 hours a day.

He possibly violated the terms and conditions. Sportsbooks/Casinos can offer promotions with specific rules that encourage recreational participation or limit the advantage, ie- sportsbooks offer bonuses that can't be used on moneylines.

Most of the top Euro casinos give an autoplay option which uses e.g. basic strategy in blackjack and optimal strategy in video poker to speed up gameplay. These do exactly what the software this book accuses the player of using.

Those casinos allow and encourage it, this one possibly prohibited it depending on the interpretation of the T&C's.

[heyman]

I want to also add Sharpcat's posts have been excellent in this thread and the unmasking of pokerplayer earlier. I'd like to hear less from pokerplayer and more from SBR, Marvin, and the player.

[pokerplayer22]

I want to also add Sharpcat's posts have been excellent in this thread and the unmasking of pokerplayer earlier. I'd like to hear less from pokerplayer and more from SBR, Marvin, and the player.

Well that makes 2 of us. I would also like to hear less from myself and more from Marvin and SBR. But Marvin seems to have disappeared.

[milwaukee mike]

Well that makes 2 of us. I would also like to hear less from myself and more from Marvin and SBR. But Marvin seems to have disappeared.

quite strange of you to keep posting when you would like to hear less from yourself

[milwaukee mike]

first of all i dont need to explain to u sharpcat, but for ur info,never made an initial deposit of 10,000. that was over time just in 250 increments(all cash deposits-risk free)... i was getting 100% bonus cash on each deposit for ur info.(12x rollover-sportsbook) 25x rollover in casino) My largest deposit with them was 500 doll. ,u have to be an idiot to deposit 10,000 to anyone,also many sportsbooks wont take it. and for northbet i was paid everything i was owed,but that has nothing to do with this case. so again get ur facts straight please. the truth will come out soon.....
OH AND ALL 4 SPORTS MONITORS ARE AWARE OF SITUATION AND INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.....( SBR, RX,COVERS, AND DONBESTSPORTS)

i disagree that you being banned from online casinos in the past has "nothing to do with this case". it can and should be used in the court of public opinion as a reflection of your character and history.

and yes if you want the full backing of sbr it would be better to explain yourself. i think pretty much everyone on this thread would be interested in the answer of how many online sportsbooks/casinos you have been banned from.


and just so it's clear, even if you had been banned from 10 casinos and used software that was disallowed in their terms and conditions, that still doesn't mean you should be stiffed.

[EZMARVIN]

first of all i dont need to explain to u sharpcat, but for ur info,never made an initial deposit of 10,000. that was over time just in 250 increments(all cash deposits-risk free)... i was getting 100% bonus cash on each deposit for ur info.(12x rollover-sportsbook) 25x rollover in casino) My largest deposit with them was 500 doll. ,u have to be an idiot to deposit 10,000 to anyone,also many sportsbooks wont take it. and for northbet i was paid everything i was owed,but that has nothing to do with this case. so again get ur facts straight please. the truth will come out soon.....
OH AND ALL 4 SPORTS MONITORS ARE AWARE OF SITUATION AND INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.....( SBR, RX,COVERS, AND DONBESTSPORTS)

I did not want to post until the statement from EZ Street was released, however I want to help cory1111 with some facts since he has a hard time telling the truth. You never sent $10,000 as you continuously claim you have, your deposits came to a total of $2730 as shown below:

Account Date Method Cash Bonus

PA1032 Nov-30-2010 CASH BONUS 0 100
PA1032 Jan-15-2011 ** 250 250
PA1032 Feb-01-2011 ** 200 200
PA1032 Feb-08-2011 ** 215 0
PA1032 Feb-08-2011 CASH BONUS 0 215
PA1032 Feb-09-2011 ** 215 215
PA1032 Feb-10-2011 ** 300 300
PA1032 Feb-11-2011 ** 350 350
PA1032 Feb-26-2011 ** 250 250
PA1032 Feb-27-2011 ** 230 230
PA1032 Feb-27-2011 ** 225 225
PA1032 Feb-28-2011 ** 220 220
PA1032 Feb-28-2011 ** 275 275

2,730 2830

The $461 entered in your account on Jan-9-2011 and played, will not show here since that was a transaction YOU CANCELLED, which we gave you as an adjustment. I hope this helps you a bit cory1111. SBR is free to confirm this information requesting his unedited account history or visiting us to make sure this information is accurate, since our offices are 5 minutes apart. Sorry about posting this before the resolution statement, it will be posted later today after the Legal Dept. reviews Justin's suggestions.