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  • Johnny 55
    Restricted User
    • 05-16-09
    • 1079

    #491
    Todd-

    At 6:45 PM EST on any weekday night, 15 minutes before the MLB games start, post a screen shot of a Don Best screen with both Matchy's and Betmaker's lines. Matchbook almost always has 1 cent lines, Betmaker does not. If you have Sports Options, then you can see up to the second Matchbook lines and view the Betmaker page from its original destination since Betmaker wont let Sports Options put them on their screen since they have an exclusive deal with Don Best, another stupid marketing decision by Betmaker. Matchy's lines are always better.
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    • todd73nj
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 08-09-08
      • 824

      #492
      Originally posted by Johnny 55
      Todd-

      At 6:45 PM EST on any weekday night, 15 minutes before the MLB games start, post a screen shot of a Don Best screen with both Matchy's and Betmaker's lines. Matchbook almost always has 1 cent lines, Betmaker does not. If you have Sports Options, then you can see up to the second Matchbook lines and view the Betmaker page from its original destination since Betmaker wont let Sports Options put them on their screen since they have an exclusive deal with Don Best, another stupid marketing decision by Betmaker. Matchy's lines are always better.
      Ive posted plenty of screen shots directly from the sites showing otherwise for many sports. Scroll back in the thread.

      And as far as the lines services - they arent accurate. Why do I say this? Because I operate my own website, and we have a program that actually locates arbitrage positions between many of the popular books. And the lines that the program we have scrapes the data directly from the sites - as opposed to the feeds that many of these sites offer to line services. The data does differ.
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      • evo34
        SBR MVP
        • 11-09-08
        • 1032

        #493
        Well, you're dead wrong on Betmaker having more liquidity than Matchbook at game time in baseball. Every game at MB is ~$3,000 x $5,000 right now. These games are $500 x $500 at Betmaker.

        What is your web site?


        Originally posted by todd73nj
        Ive posted plenty of screen shots directly from the sites showing otherwise for many sports. Scroll back in the thread.

        And as far as the lines services - they arent accurate. Why do I say this? Because I operate my own website, and we have a program that actually locates arbitrage positions between many of the popular books. And the lines that the program we have scrapes the data directly from the sites - as opposed to the feeds that many of these sites offer to line services. The data does differ.
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        • Johnny 55
          Restricted User
          • 05-16-09
          • 1079

          #494
          The data might differ in terms of time, I could see a feed being delayed by a couple seconds, but if the data differed from what people viewed on their line service to when they logged into their book, the line service would of course have no use and garner no business, this is of course completely absurd, as I have used Sports Options for over a year and 99% of the time when a line is listed when I log into my account the line is still there. Locating arbitrage positions is for the most part a waste of time unless you are actually just going to bet the off market stuff which is where you would make the most money, I could someone arbing stuff if your utility is low and you were just starting out but other than that you are just wasting money long term as just betting the off market number will gain you way more money in the long run.

          I dont get the whole denial thing about Betmaker and Matchbook, anyone can view both of these books baseball lines up to 2 hours before game time and see the massive difference, Matchbook always has one cent lines and Betmaker almost never does, I wish Betmaker was better but it isnt, and their fees are way more than Matchbook as well.
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          • todd73nj
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 08-09-08
            • 824

            #495
            Originally posted by evo34
            Well, you're dead wrong on Betmaker having more liquidity than Matchbook at game time in baseball. Every game at MB is ~$3,000 x $5,000 right now. These games are $500 x $500 at Betmaker.

            What is your web site?


            Originally posted by Johnny 55
            The data might differ in terms of time, I could see a feed being delayed by a couple seconds, but if the data differed from what people viewed on their line service to when they logged into their book, the line service would of course have no use and garner no business, this is of course completely absurd, as I have used Sports Options for over a year and 99% of the time when a line is listed when I log into my account the line is still there. Locating arbitrage positions is for the most part a waste of time unless you are actually just going to bet the off market stuff which is where you would make the most money, I could someone arbing stuff if your utility is low and you were just starting out but other than that you are just wasting money long term as just betting the off market number will gain you way more money in the long run.

            I dont get the whole denial thing about Betmaker and Matchbook, anyone can view both of these books baseball lines up to 2 hours before game time and see the massive difference, Matchbook always has one cent lines and Betmaker almost never does, I wish Betmaker was better but it isnt, and their fees are way more than Matchbook as well.

            I see about 7 games where depending on the side you want right now (and I just looked at ML) where Betmaker has better prices than Matchbook. And that $5000 you speak off is not the one cent line. If you are counting those $22 bids that are in front are something that helps you we are looking for different things. I dont wager $1000 on a baseball game but I certainly dont wager $22.

            Evo, Drop me an email if youd like, I wont post a link up here, I dont want to offend SBR. But if you are a big baseball better and are betting anything in game - Backslider, who did all the programming for my website has developed an INCREDIBLE in game baseball tool. You select the current games and odds with the drop down tool, and enter current situation etc (runners, outs, counts) and it provides you with current odds, potential for over under, etc. And it differs from what ESPN offers greatly. You can reach me at tjg8633@hotmail.com
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            • Legions36
              SBR MVP
              • 12-17-10
              • 3032

              #496
              Can someone please help me with the commission structure at this place say i bet 100 for +110 right and it wins how much juice do these guys get from me saying i just starting wagering there. i know they dont charge for loses. If u could just tell me how many points we are talking here at first and then if u want to add in when u get the points at the lowest would be great thanks.
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              • relaaxx
                SBR MVP
                • 06-15-06
                • 3281

                #497
                Originally posted by Legions36
                Can someone please help me with the commission structure at this place say i bet 100 for +110 right and it wins how much juice do these guys get from me saying i just starting wagering there. i know they dont charge for loses. If u could just tell me how many points we are talking here at first and then if u want to add in when u get the points at the lowest would be great thanks.
                i think everything you win cost 2%. so 100 to win 110 would cost you $2.20 if it wins. you would win $107.80
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                • todd73nj
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 08-09-08
                  • 824

                  #498
                  Originally posted by Legions36
                  Can someone please help me with the commission structure at this place say i bet 100 for +110 right and it wins how much juice do these guys get from me saying i just starting wagering there. i know they dont charge for loses. If u could just tell me how many points we are talking here at first and then if u want to add in when u get the points at the lowest would be great thanks.
                  Originally posted by relaaxx
                  i think everything you win cost 2%. so 100 to win 110 would cost you $2.20 if it wins. you would win $107.80
                  Sounds right to me!
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                  • todd73nj
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-09-08
                    • 824

                    #499
                    So I decided I wanted to bet the Mets tonight... Only have Betmaker and 5 dimes. But I wanted to take a look at MB prices also.

                    And not surprising to me - I found the better price where? Betmaker.

                    I certainly wont be like everyone else though and quote ONE game with no screen shot.. Ill post screen shots. Just looking at whats available on the ML (bec thats what I was betting) and whatever fit on the screen on those pages.

                    Ive done this 10 times before - using all the games - but thats never good enough. So for my perspective, with my $400 wage size on the listed games...

                    I would bet:

                    Mets @ Betmaker
                    Pirates @ MB

                    Milw @ Betmaker
                    Cinn @ MB

                    Col @ MB
                    LAD @ Betmaker

                    Florida @ Either
                    AZ @ Either

                    Betmaker is at least as god as Matchbook.

                    Keep in mind however, this is MBs biggest sport. These 1 cent lines people talk of just dont exist. The MMer at MB is between 3 and 5 cents apart.

                    And if you take the time to go back and look at the NBA, NCAA, and NHL - you will find that Betmaker was consistently better than Matchbook. Its all posted in earlier in the thread.
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                    • Hareeba!
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 07-01-06
                      • 37194

                      #500
                      Originally posted by todd73nj
                      These 1 cent lines people talk of just dont exist. The MMer at MB is between 3 and 5 cents apart.
                      more effing bs!

                      right now the max is 3 cents apart and several are only 1 cent
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                      • Johnny 55
                        Restricted User
                        • 05-16-09
                        • 1079

                        #501
                        Todd, when you say better price, are you factoring in betmaker's 2 % commission structure versus the 1 % of Matchbook, are you factoring in if you make an offer at Matchbook it has about a million times better chance of getting matched than at betmaker and then if it does you wont have to pay any commission, are you factoring in that totals are virtually unplayable at betmaker because they cant even get the opening lines right have the time and dont offer alternative lines, it is 630 PM EST, of the 7 MLB games left to bet, every one at Matcy is one cent line, except for White Sox-Red Sox game, betmaker has one game out of 7 that is a one cent line, I's/Jays game. Still dont get the betmaker argument, it is not even close to Matchbook.
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                        • Hareeba!
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 07-01-06
                          • 37194

                          #502
                          Originally posted by Johnny 55
                          Todd, when you say better price, are you factoring in betmaker's 2 % commission structure versus the 1 % of Matchbook, are you factoring in if you make an offer at Matchbook it has about a million times better chance of getting matched than at betmaker and then if it does you wont have to pay any commission, are you factoring in that totals are virtually unplayable at betmaker because they cant even get the opening lines right have the time and dont offer alternative lines, it is 630 PM EST, of the 7 MLB games left to bet, every one at Matcy is one cent line, except for White Sox-Red Sox game, betmaker has one game out of 7 that is a one cent line, I's/Jays game. Still dont get the betmaker argument, it is not even close to Matchbook.
                          Johnny you are 100% correct in saying Matchbook is the better but there are a couple of inaccuracies in what you've posted.

                          BetMaker's commission is charged only on wins, not like Matchbook's charge win or lose so if the rate is 2% v 1% there's not really much in that.

                          And what also needs to be factored in is the charges you have to pay both to deposit and withdraw at BM.

                          However MB's general rate is 1% on acceptance and 0.5% for the offeror. No longer is there zero or reverse commission.
                          On MLB MLs the rates are 0.8% and 0.2%. And currently tennis is commission free
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                          • unclebuzz1
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 08-23-09
                            • 565

                            #503
                            What's the point of comparing Betmaker and Matchbook? If you're from the US, does it matter what MB looks like now? Those of us in the US are looking for an exchange. The question is ... is there anything out there besides Betmaker? Compare those please!
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                            • Hareeba!
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 07-01-06
                              • 37194

                              #504
                              Originally posted by unclebuzz1
                              What's the point of comparing Betmaker and Matchbook? If you're from the US, does it matter what MB looks like now? Those of us in the US are looking for an exchange. The question is ... is there anything out there besides Betmaker? Compare those please!
                              the point simply is that there are many non-US based punters who may have an interest in this comparison
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                              • unclebuzz1
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 08-23-09
                                • 565

                                #505
                                Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                the point simply is that there are many non-US based punters who may have an interest in this comparison
                                Oh ... then it's Matchbook hands down. No comparison!
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                                • unclebuzz1
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 08-23-09
                                  • 565

                                  #506
                                  What's the mirror site for betmaker.com?
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                                  • fido007
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 04-15-09
                                    • 97

                                    #507
                                    Originally posted by unclebuzz1
                                    What's the mirror site for betmaker.com?
                                    betmaker.ag methinks
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                                    • maxvalue1
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 11-08-10
                                      • 350

                                      #508
                                      Todd...Im was holding off depositing ( due to recent events)...would you mind if I got some Betmaker funding info from you via email?..I always call the book myself for info...but would like to get your take on this issue
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                                      • todd73nj
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 08-09-08
                                        • 824

                                        #509
                                        Originally posted by Hareeba!

                                        more effing bs!

                                        right now the max is 3 cents apart and several are only 1 cent
                                        Once again, a response without a screen shot. Is that surprising. Nope. Not at all.
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                                        • todd73nj
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 08-09-08
                                          • 824

                                          #510
                                          Originally posted by Johnny 55
                                          Todd, when you say better price, are you factoring in betmaker's 2 % commission structure versus the 1 % of Matchbook, are you factoring in if you make an offer at Matchbook it has about a million times better chance of getting matched than at betmaker and then if it does you wont have to pay any commission, are you factoring in that totals are virtually unplayable at betmaker because they cant even get the opening lines right have the time and dont offer alternative lines, it is 630 PM EST, of the 7 MLB games left to bet, every one at Matcy is one cent line, except for White Sox-Red Sox game, betmaker has one game out of 7 that is a one cent line, I's/Jays game. Still dont get the betmaker argument, it is not even close to Matchbook.
                                          Johnny,

                                          As far commission, you pay 1% either way correct? So for my Mets wager last night I paid $8. But would have paid $4 at Matchbook. Had I lost the bet, I would have still paid $4 at MB, but 0 at Betmaker.

                                          But of course, EVERYONE wins more than they lose on SBR, 80%, 90% right

                                          Use a real world senario.... 60% wins? So if I bet 10 games, using my $400 wager size, Im going to pay $48 at Betmaker, and $40 at MB, correct? So in essence its 1.2% vs 1.0%

                                          As far as your personal data about a million times more likely to get matched at MB, I use to post my prices the night before, inside the MMer and never get hit. Ive gotten hit more at Betmaker in a few months than I did at MB in 3 years. So not sure there is anyway to prove that data for either of us.

                                          And as far as other sports go, I completely agree about stale lines, but MLB? What stale lines are there? But I would rather have stale lines with a market - than fresh lines with no market. Go back in the post to NCAA and NBA and NHL. When I posted screen shots, there were no markets. Empty. Just a few random bids and asks.

                                          And these one cent lines you speak of.. if a $20 bid at 1 cent is what you are considering a one cent line, then you are correct. But MB MMers are 3 to 5 cents apart depending on the game.

                                          Again, I will do what no one else does, provide a picture. MMer is 7 cents, 5, cents, 4, cents, 5 cents. Sure one of those games has a 1 cent line... lol for $1. A few others have 2 cent lines.. for $123.

                                          But like I posted a few weeks back - the amount of players claiming to use MB to make $1000s of dollars a week - the data doesnt support it.
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                                          • todd73nj
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 08-09-08
                                            • 824

                                            #511
                                            Originally posted by Hareeba!

                                            the point simply is that there are many non-US based punters who may have an interest in this comparison
                                            Originally posted by unclebuzz1
                                            Oh ... then it's Matchbook hands down. No comparison!
                                            Seems to me if you have the use of MB, and it was that much better with its fictional 1 cent lines, you should be there making a killing instead of posting in a thread of a site you dont plan to use
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                                            • todd73nj
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 08-09-08
                                              • 824

                                              #512
                                              Originally posted by maxvalue1
                                              Todd...Im was holding off depositing ( due to recent events)...would you mind if I got some Betmaker funding info from you via email?..I always call the book myself for info...but would like to get your take on this issue

                                              Sure, anytime. tjg8633@hotmail.com
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                                              • nice1feds
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 05-31-11
                                                • 4

                                                #513
                                                Ive trolled this forum for a while now and thought it was time to register and contribute something...

                                                I have attached a comparative between betmaker and matchbook's (noboddy else seems to have managed this so far) mlb and nba markets for today. Ive also attempted to score the individual market comparisons based on some simple criteria (not perfect by any means).

                                                One other thing, If you look at the houston astros chicago cubs run line market in the attached pdf.... there was some free money out there.... hmmmm.... why so many offers in market at the wrong price?

                                                Screenshots were taken between 14:00 EST and 15:00 EST.
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                                                • Hareeba!
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 07-01-06
                                                  • 37194

                                                  #514
                                                  Originally posted by todd73nj
                                                  Seems to me if you have the use of MB, and it was that much better with its fictional 1 cent lines, you should be there making a killing instead of posting in a thread of a site you dont plan to use
                                                  People reading inaccurate information should be advised of the truth

                                                  Most of the fiction in this thread is coming from you

                                                  Once again there are several 1c, 2c, 3c and 4c MLs right now at MB (based on min. $500 stake)
                                                  Last edited by Hareeba!; 05-31-11, 03:55 PM.
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                                                  • Hareeba!
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 07-01-06
                                                    • 37194

                                                    #515
                                                    Originally posted by nice1feds
                                                    Ive trolled this forum for a while now and thought it was time to register and contribute something...

                                                    I have attached a comparative between betmaker and matchbook's (noboddy else seems to have managed this so far) mlb and nba markets for today. Ive also attempted to score the individual market comparisons based on some simple criteria (not perfect by any means).

                                                    One other thing, If you look at the houston astros chicago cubs run line market in the attached pdf.... there was some free money out there.... hmmmm.... why so many offers in market at the wrong price?

                                                    Screenshots were taken between 14:00 EST and 15:00 EST.
                                                    very nice work mate
                                                    Todd's exaggerated claims about BM exposed for all to see
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                                                    • relaaxx
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-15-06
                                                      • 3281

                                                      #516
                                                      Originally posted by nice1feds
                                                      Ive trolled this forum for a while now and thought it was time to register and contribute something...

                                                      I have attached a comparative between betmaker and matchbook's (noboddy else seems to have managed this so far) mlb and nba markets for today. Ive also attempted to score the individual market comparisons based on some simple criteria (not perfect by any means).

                                                      One other thing, If you look at the houston astros chicago cubs run line market in the attached pdf.... there was some free money out there.... hmmmm.... why so many offers in market at the wrong price?

                                                      Screenshots were taken between 14:00 EST and 15:00 EST.

                                                      good display
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                                                      • todd73nj
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 08-09-08
                                                        • 824

                                                        #517
                                                        Originally posted by Hareeba!

                                                        People reading inaccurate information should be advised of the truth

                                                        Most of the fiction in this thread is coming from you

                                                        Once again there are several 1c, 2c, 3c and 4c MLs right now at MB (based on min. $500 stake)
                                                        Great screen shot you provided, just word of mouth.
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                                                        • todd73nj
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 08-09-08
                                                          • 824

                                                          #518
                                                          Originally posted by nice1feds
                                                          Ive trolled this forum for a while now and thought it was time to register and contribute something...

                                                          I have attached a comparative between betmaker and matchbook's (noboddy else seems to have managed this so far) mlb and nba markets for today. Ive also attempted to score the individual market comparisons based on some simple criteria (not perfect by any means).

                                                          One other thing, If you look at the houston astros chicago cubs run line market in the attached pdf.... there was some free money out there.... hmmmm.... why so many offers in market at the wrong price?

                                                          Screenshots were taken between 14:00 EST and 15:00 EST.

                                                          Nice job.

                                                          Youve at least proven my point about 1 cent lines. I think there are 3 of them listed? That are legit one cent lines.

                                                          Why is everything cut and pasted out of order and not in a row? Different times?



                                                          There are some issues with your analysis, but none of the MB lovers will ever admit that

                                                          As far as some of the games:

                                                          Milw - you give one point to MB, when the full point should have gone to Betmaker

                                                          Why?

                                                          Look at the game you cut and pasted above it:

                                                          SD/Atl - You gave the full one point to MB based on Favorite price. So why didnt you do the same on Milw? Should be .5/.5 based on what I see. If Im betting Atl, I bet on MB, if Im betting SD, I bet on Betmaker.

                                                          SF game - You give Volume 1 full point to MB, based on an underdog volume this time? Should be .5/.5

                                                          Philly - you give +1 to MB, when it is the exact same $$ amount and price as BM, Should be .5/.5

                                                          Florida/AZ game - You give price .5/.5 - Why? It should be 1 - 0, Betmaker based on your other assumptions. And you give voulme a 1 - 0 for MB, when it should be .5/.5 as there is no volume at MB on the favorite.

                                                          Col/LA - same thing on volume. Earlier you based it on the favorite, now you base it on the dog. How is this not .5/.5?

                                                          Tex - Why does price not goto BM for run line and and ML? Better price on the favorite on both? Should be +2 there. And the Total - Betmaker doesnt use even #s. So to go 1-0 there is absurd. Its actually a great opportunity to make money for scalpers with a 8 and 8.5. This should be .5/.5 (See the above game, Col)

                                                          Min - You split price .5/.5 when BM now has the ML fav by 4 cents - Should goto BM based on your other assumptions. Because then you give the Volume to MB based on the volume on soley the favorite?


                                                          I could go on...because there are more inconsistencies in the next bunch of games

                                                          But I think you need to re-do your model. Based on the same screen shot - assume a bet size. My bet size is $400 for the avg game. Feel free to use that. I said it in this thread about 5 different times so I cant be making up the number. And determine where you would bet the 6 runners in each game. Fav ML, Dog ML, +1.5, -1.5, O/U

                                                          And if an over under differs bec of the .5 .. thats a money making opportunity for all. Not a negative for either book.

                                                          Data is good.. analysis is flawed.
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                                                          • todd73nj
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 08-09-08
                                                            • 824

                                                            #519
                                                            Here is my analysis:

                                                            MB- 33
                                                            BM- 22
                                                            Either- 21

                                                            Def an overall advantage to MB in yesterdays games - mainly because of two games - in those two games, MB was favored 8 times, to 1 for Betmaker.

                                                            Yes, I am objective.

                                                            Oddly - a distinct advantage to betting favorites at Betmaker. Out of the 16 games (including 1 NBA game), The favorite is better at BM in 9, MB in 5, and one equal.

                                                            So what does that say about the players? Im not sure.

                                                            This is excellent for me, Im a chalk player - not big chalk, slight chalk.

                                                            So what does that say about the players? Im not sure.

                                                            For the superbook that MB has been labeled - They sure are barely ahead of a book that has been growing in the last 90 days. 6 months ago, It would have been 76-0 MB.

                                                            We need to continue the comparison, because as Ive shown other times, there are instances when Betmaker has an advantage on Matchbook.

                                                            IM a

                                                            Philly (f) - Either
                                                            Wash - MB
                                                            -1.5 - BM
                                                            +1.5 - Either
                                                            Over - Either
                                                            Under - Either

                                                            SD - BM
                                                            Atl (f) - MB
                                                            +1.5 - BM
                                                            -1.5 MB
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            Milw (f) - BM
                                                            Cinn - MB
                                                            +1.5 MB
                                                            -1.5 BM
                                                            Over - BM
                                                            Under - MB


                                                            Pitt - MB
                                                            Mets (f)- MB
                                                            +1.5 - MB
                                                            -1.5 - MB
                                                            Over - BM
                                                            Under - MB

                                                            Hou - MB
                                                            Chic (f) - MB
                                                            -1.5/+1.5 Arb
                                                            Over MB
                                                            Under Either

                                                            SF - Either
                                                            STl (f)- BM
                                                            +1.5 - Either
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            Florida - MB
                                                            AZ (fav) - BM
                                                            +1.5 Either
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            Over MB
                                                            Under Either

                                                            Col - MB
                                                            LAS (f) - BM
                                                            +1.5 MB
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            Texas (f) - BM
                                                            TB - MB
                                                            -1.5 BM
                                                            +1.5 MB
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            Cleve - MB
                                                            Tor (f) - BM
                                                            +1.5 - MB
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            Over - MB
                                                            Under - BM

                                                            Minn - MB
                                                            Det (f) - BM
                                                            +1.5 BM
                                                            -1.5 MB
                                                            Over - BM
                                                            Under - MB

                                                            ChicAL - Either
                                                            Bost (f) - MB
                                                            +1.5 - BM
                                                            -1.5 - Either
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            LA AL (f) - MB
                                                            KC - MB
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            +1.5 - BM
                                                            Over MB
                                                            Under BM

                                                            NYY - MB
                                                            Oak (f) - BM
                                                            +1.5 Either
                                                            -1.5 Either
                                                            O/U N/a

                                                            Balt - Either
                                                            Sea (f) MB
                                                            +1.5 Either
                                                            -1.5 MB
                                                            Over 6.5 MB
                                                            Under 6.5 Either

                                                            Mavs+4.5 - MB
                                                            Heat-4.5 (f) - BM
                                                            O/U - N/a
                                                            ML - Data not Included
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                                                            • Hareeba!
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 07-01-06
                                                              • 37194

                                                              #520
                                                              Originally posted by todd73nj
                                                              Great screen shot you provided, just word of mouth.
                                                              So what you are saying because I didn't provide a screenshot is that I am lying ?
                                                              Seems a common defence of yours.
                                                              And if I had you'd no doubt claim I'd fraudulently manipulated it.
                                                              Fwiw, I have no idea how nor desire to find out how to post a screenshot.
                                                              And based on the last illegible one you posted it would seem a total waste of effort.

                                                              Isn't it strange how out of all the posters in this thread who've expressed a view on a comparison with MB there is only one who claims BM to be the better ?
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                                                              • the_situation
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 10-22-10
                                                                • 2735

                                                                #521
                                                                Originally posted by nice1feds
                                                                Ive trolled this forum for a while now and thought it was time to register and contribute something...

                                                                I have attached a comparative between betmaker and matchbook's (noboddy else seems to have managed this so far) mlb and nba markets for today. Ive also attempted to score the individual market comparisons based on some simple criteria (not perfect by any means).

                                                                One other thing, If you look at the houston astros chicago cubs run line market in the attached pdf.... there was some free money out there.... hmmmm.... why so many offers in market at the wrong price?

                                                                Screenshots were taken between 14:00 EST and 15:00 EST.

                                                                nice job...
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                                                                • nice1feds
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 05-31-11
                                                                  • 4

                                                                  #522
                                                                  Todd,

                                                                  Legit 1cent lines for $400+ (ML,RL, Total):

                                                                  MB: 11 (Plus 10 others lines 2 cents wide for decent volume, 2k+)
                                                                  BM: 0 (Sorry but I struggled to find a single market trading 1cent wide with $400 available on both sides) (dont think I found a single offer greater than 1.5k on BM).

                                                                  My initial score was based on filling an offer of $1,000 at best average odds, we differ in terms of this criteria so scores are not comparable.

                                                                  Do you have any ideas on line error in the HOU/CHI runline market? To me its a clear indication that every offer in that market was put up by a market maker. 3offers each side of the market that were 30-60c incorrect. Whats more worrying is the fact that those offers were up there for a good 5mins. There cant be very many players at BM given that it took that long for someone to capitalize on it.
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                                                                  • tofuman
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 01-11-10
                                                                    • 887

                                                                    #523
                                                                    i wonder when xmexchange will open. for now we must use betmaker tho.
                                                                    local forum troll
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                                                                    • unclebuzz1
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 08-23-09
                                                                      • 565

                                                                      #524
                                                                      Originally posted by tofuman
                                                                      i wonder when xmexchange will open. for now we must use betmaker tho.
                                                                      http://xmarketsexchange.com/ would/will be the best choice but it seems dead in the water at this point.
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                                                                      • todd73nj
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 08-09-08
                                                                        • 824

                                                                        #525
                                                                        Originally posted by Hareeba!

                                                                        So what you are saying because I didn't provide a screenshot is that I am lying ?
                                                                        Seems a common defence of yours.
                                                                        And if I had you'd no doubt claim I'd fraudulently manipulated it.
                                                                        Fwiw, I have no idea how nor desire to find out how to post a screenshot.
                                                                        And based on the last illegible one you posted it would seem a total waste of effort.

                                                                        Isn't it strange how out of all the posters in this thread who've expressed a view on a comparison with MB there is only one who claims BM to be the better ?

                                                                        Never in any post have you cited anything. When asked for information, you spout. Thats all. Plain and simple.
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