Don't Let Matchbook Die!

[KGambler]

Rather disappointing how terrible the liquidity has been on College Basketball, even near game time. Hopefully it picks up a bit with football over now...

Football has basically been over for a couple of weeks now. I mean, there was just one game pending. I am guessing it won't pick up until March.

[Foosball Champ]

I would think that matchbook's clientele is 99% North America. As Betfair is available for the rest of the world. Also, we need to save ehorsex.com Long live the exchange wagering.

[KGambler]

NBA liquidity is very good tonight. Is there anyone who actually bets at MB who is having trouble placing wagers on NBA games at better-than-Pinny prices?

I am talking about people who actually bet at MB, not people who just cut and paste market snapshots and never make offers.

I am 3 for 3 on getting accepted on the NBA wagers I wanted tonight, all at good prices. And it all took less than 20 minutes...

[Tilt360]

Matchbook is a great book but their deposit option is very limited.

[the sink]

denver -5 +105 when pinnacle had -110

[Chuck Sims]

denver -5 +105 when pinnacle had -110

[goucla]

i like matchbook, as long as we don't have to deal w wsex

[bracerman]

And who does "Johnson +220" refer to?

Demetrious Johnson def. Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto

[bracerman]

Wrong.

Ellenberger was available at -264 for a very long time. I know because I was the one making the offer. I was able to bet $3,799.26 on Rocha at +264, which was better than I could have gotten anywhere else at the time. Again, just another real world example from someone who actually uses MB.

And you want Rocha at +275 and Ellenberger at -270? And they fought each other? Yeah, I would love an exchange like that as well.

Sorry, I must have overlooked Ellenberger. In that case I missed an arb opportunity.

Don't get me wrong. I'm the last guy to speak ill of MB, but things could always be better.

[todd73nj]

denver -5 +105 when pinnacle had -110

But how much was available? $5?

[todd73nj]

I would think that matchbook's clientele is 99% North America. As Betfair is available for the rest of the world. Also, we need to save ehorsex.com Long live the exchange wagering.

What is Ehorsex? never heard of it

[todd73nj]

that's odd, I've bet about $20k there this week at the best prices available anywhere .. how do you suppose that's possible?

Once again Hareeba, I will say to anyone who claims all of this liquidity to please video your screen as you trade. Dont post up some doctored reports.

There was great liquidity during the Superbowl - but outside of that - I would say there hasnt been $20,000 of in game liquidity TOTAL from after the NFL Championship games till now. I would say the Mizz/KU game traded not a $1 after the game started tonight. And the point spread was in play till about 33 mins into the game - and even at that point - the game got back to 13 many times. But nothing - not a price posted.

[KGambler]

Demetrious Johnson def. Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto

I think you mean +120 then. I didn't follow that particular line too closely, but from what I remember that was a pick 'em fight and Johnson briefly touched about +120 at some books.

[the sink]

But how much was available? $5?

There was about $15 000, took 4000 of it...

[Hareeba!]

Once again Hareeba, I will say to anyone who claims all of this liquidity to please video your screen as you trade. Dont post up some doctored reports.

There was great liquidity during the Superbowl - but outside of that - I would say there hasnt been $20,000 of in game liquidity TOTAL from after the NFL Championship games till now. I would say the Mizz/KU game traded not a $1 after the game started tonight. And the point spread was in play till about 33 mins into the game - and even at that point - the game got back to 13 many times. But nothing - not a price posted.

WTF??

I don't give a rats arse if you believe me or not.
But that's the truth.
I'm not going to waste my time proving it .. .. even if I knew how to do that.

[hhsilver]

Hareeba and kgambler - just curious, do you play ncaab at MB? did you obverse what action (inaction) there was last night in the final hour before the big Big east tv game - Pitt/WVU?

[andywend]

Another thread chock full of complaints from Todd73NJ.

Todd, since you clearly have so much to complain about, why don't you just stop using the service they offer?

Your rants have been going on for several years (as you used to complain about TradeSports daily in their forum).

Nobody is forcing you to do business with these sites.

[Dark Horse]

I think that anybody who played at Tradesports will have no trouble recognizing the similarities. (And back in the day TS was even mentioned, with some regularity, at CNBC). I'm starting to think the model will only work with the type of advertising behind it that can only happen in a legal climate. Betfair has that advantage. Live in-game advertising during big sports events.

[Fishhead]

denver -5 +105 when pinnacle had -110

Meanwhile we have people running around these parts that claim MB is not a necessary out.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba and kgambler - just curious, do you play ncaab at MB? did you obverse what action (inaction) there was last night in the final hour before the big Big east tv game - Pitt/WVU?

no
ncaab holds no interest for me at all

[Legions36]

no
ncaab holds no interest for me at all

Hareeba don't waste your time with these fools who don't know what there saying, hows many times can u try and sink it in before they listen.

Anyone thats says anything about Match is just an idiot.
Hey everyone please stay away from Match because there is no action for NCAA,as there will be more for me and Hareeba everyday.

[HedgeHog]

Hareeba and kgambler - just curious, do you play ncaab at MB? did you obverse what action (inaction) there was last night in the final hour before the big Big east tv game - Pitt/WVU?

Basically you don't. And if you bring this up, the 3 Stooges in this thread (you know who you are) will tell you that liquidity is fine. I admit it's ok for NBA, but shitty for NCAA (which represents the vast majority of BB action--guess that's not relevant to them though).

[Hareeba!]

Basically you don't. And if you bring this up, the 3 Stooges in this thread (you know who you are) will tell you that liquidity is fine. I admit it's ok for NBA, but shitty for NCAA (which represents the vast majority of BB action--guess that's not relevant to them though).

I''ve never claimed liquidity is good for ncaa ... I really wouldn't know as I have no interest in it and never look at it.

I've simply been pointing out to those fools who don't think MB is worthwhile having that they are very very wrong if they play the major US pro sports.

[Legions36]

Basically you don't. And if you bring this up, the 3 Stooges in this thread (you know who you are) will tell you that liquidity is fine. I admit it's ok for NBA, but shitty for NCAA (which represents the vast majority of BB action--guess that's not relevant to them though).

Hey Hedge i've told everyone to have multiple books and use the other ones for NCAA and anything else, but for other purposes Match is the sh-it. Match is a goldmine for me thats all i can say.

[HedgeHog]

Hey Hedge i've told everyone to have multiple books and use the other ones for NCAA and anything else, but for other purposes Match is the sh-it. Match is a goldmine for me thats all i can say.

I personally use 7 Books myself, and yes MB is one of them. Have to agree with you that MB remains a must out, but they could improve some. JMO

[Legions36]

I personally use 7 Books myself, and yes MB is one of them. Have to agree with you that MB remains a must out, but they could improve some. JMO

Yeah some things need addressing but all the good far out way any of the bad, i don't mind at all adjusting to anything Match has to offer.

[todd73nj]

One again last night - No action on any listed live - in play games.

Dipsheets like Andy think Im knocking MB, But MB and 5 dimes are the only two books I play at anymore. Tradesports gone, WSEX crippled. MB liquidity in game is zero - and pre game has really dropped off. No one is doubting that MB is needed if you are looking for some arbitrage positions - but you will not get $4000 at a line 15% better than other books are offering. The liquidy over the past year has dropped off drastically.

Instead of claiming great liquiudy - maybe someone should catch MBs ear and explain to them what a great concept an exchange is - and how by creating policies to entice market makers into both live and pre-game events they could increase their profits exponentially - with no additional costs to them.

Sorry for the long post, but here we go. Its just about noon on the east coast - and not one MB NBA market is more than 3 prices deep - and no market even has close to $1000 available total. Looks like the avg is about $200-400. But yet guys in this thread want you to believe they were the ones who got $4000 on a line 15% better than what other major books were offering.




Orlando at Philadelphia [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
Orlando -1.0
-103$1
-104$21
-106$32

23 Philadelphia +1.0
-104$107
-107$1
-110$33


Over 196.5
-101$17
-102$10
-104$1

23 Under 196.5
-106$1
-107$45
-109$44

Orlando
-110$53
-111$18
-120$15

23 Philadelphia
-103$207
-104$3
-106$46

New Orleans at New Jersey [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
New Orleans -2.5
+103$15
+102$622
-101$59



23 New Jersey +2.5
-107$167
-110$880

Over 184.5
-103$28
-114$228
-124$4



23 Under 184.5
-108$30
-110$220
-126$4




New Orleans
-129$32
-130$22
-132$248

23 New Jersey
+121$46
+115$35
+114$200

Milwaukee at Washington [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
Milwaukee -1.0
-102$104
-110$187


23 Washington +1.0
-114$32
-115$230



Over 187.5
-104$208

23 Under 187.5
-113$226


Milwaukee
-106$12
-108$43
-115$230

Washington
-108$43
-109$218

Detroit at Cleveland [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
Detroit +1.5
-107$32
-108$216


23 Cleveland -1.5
-109$33
-110$220

Over 196.0
+100$10
-101$5
-104$12


Under 196.0
-103$28
-110$220

Detroit
+116$1
+112$14
+110$112



23 Cleveland
-118$32
-119$11


San Antonio at Toronto [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
San Antonio -7.0
-105$370
-106$67
-108$32



23 Toronto +7.0
+101$27
-105$32
-108$32

Over 202.5
-109$218


23 Under 202.5
-109$218


San Antonio
-294$118
-370$343

23 Toronto
+252$16
+242$130


Charlotte at Indiana [more]Feb 09 7:05 pm
Charlotte +4.0
+101$194
+100$415
-104$94



23 Indiana -4.0
-106$742
-107$118
-109$185


Over 194.0
-113$45
-114$228

23 Under 194.0
-103$41
-116$232


Charlotte
+160$43
+148$164
+133$5



23 Indiana
-174$73
-175$263



Los Angeles (C) at New York [more]Feb 09 7:35 pm
Los Angeles (C) +7.0
+100$203
-102$9
-104$21



23 New York -7.0
-111$172
-117$234



Over 215.5
-101$40
-106$17
-113$226



23 Under 215.5
-102$40
-116$46



Los Angeles (C)
+282$19
+280$21
+278$14



23 New York
-315$135
-325$130
-340$340



Chicago at Utah [more]Feb 09 9:05 pm
Chicago +1.5
-115$22
-119$238

23 Utah -1.5
+100$200
-101$673


Over 194.5
-105$42
-106$212

Under 194.5
-111$44
-112$224


Chicago
-106$42
-107$214

23 Utah
-110$44
-146$224



Dallas at Sacramento [more]Feb 09 10:05 pm
Dallas -5.0
+101$495
-105$32
-110$187


23 Sacramento +5.0
-111$33
-112$224



Over 196.0
-109$44
-110$220

23 Under 196.0
-107$43
-108$216

Dallas
-200$20
-204$82
-250$325



23 Sacramento
+177$23
+170$150


Denver at Golden StateFeb 09 10:35 pm
Denver +2.0
-101$91
-102$204


23 Golden State -2.0
-116$35
-117$234

Over 220.0
-111$222


23 Under 220.0
-110$220

Denver
+115$35
+114$200
+110$455



23 Golden State
-133$53
-135$270

[Dark Horse]

They're failing in the exact same way as Tradesports. If you're not winning the liquidity battle, you're losing it. And when you lose it, people move on. This may linger on for a few more years, before MB pulls the plug.

[bettilimbroke999]

I'm amazed matchbook hasnt folded up shop already, they do nothing to promote their site and liquidity looks like the Sahara desert. Would be interesting to see their books and whether (and if so how) they are turning a profit

[9XL]

Liquidity on the NBA games was great yesterday, you just have to wait until closer to game time. Most games had $20k+ in offers on both sides, offering prices better than Pinnacle.

I agree that Live wagering and NCAA basketball hasn't been that good, but it is still the best out for betting NBA.

[wrongturn]

They're failing in the exact same way as Tradesports. If you're not winning the liquidity battle, you're losing it. And when you lose it, people move on. This may linger on for a few more years, before MB pulls the plug.

But there is no competition right now for USA market. Until then, they are not motivated to change much.

[Dark Horse]

But there is no competition right now for USA market. Until then, they are not motivated to change much.

Previous ownership tried to solve the liquidity problem by seeding the market. New ownership seems to be sitting back and see where things go. No plan, in other words.

But there may yet be hope at the horizon. Ganch's exchange is on the way...

[todd73nj]

Liquidity on the NBA games was great yesterday, you just have to wait until closer to game time. Most games had $20k+ in offers on both sides, offering prices better than Pinnacle.

I agree that Live wagering and NCAA basketball hasn't been that good, but it is still the best out for betting NBA.

Exactly what Ive been saying - Decent at game time for the games - but at that point there is no more opportunity to find scalps. Otherwise liquidity is not good.

And live games.. just dont bother anymore. Nothing.

[Fishhead]

For the 13,003th time.......HALFTIMES are great.

[Foosball Champ]

I don't get how Matchbook.com could be in financial trouble do they have any risk? As long as they keep volume and keep their cost under control.