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    Bet Rivers Rejected my bet

    $20 on Maryland...Are you kidding me????

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    Pregame...Never had a problem with them since last August when I signed up here in Illinois. Last few weeks every bet I make at 7 in the morning has to be approved for $20. This was the first time one was rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbill1 View Post
    Pregame...Never had a problem with them since last August when I signed up here in Illinois. Last few weeks every bet I make at 7 in the morning has to be approved for $20. This was the first time one was rejected.
    Did it say why? There are a number of reasons why a bet could be rejected.

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    When the Bet slip was telling me I needed approval, it gave me the option to make a lower bet-which I presume would have been accepted. After the $20 was rejected and I tried again a few minutes later, it said my $20 was too high a wager .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbill1 View Post
    When the Bet slip was telling me I needed approval, it gave me the option to make a lower bet. After the $20 was rejected and I tried again a few minutes later, it said my $20 was too high a wager .
    Wow. Yeah, you've been limited there. Time to move on. Are you big there and/or why type of bets do you usually place?

    Are you already using all 5 of the IL books?

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    I wonder if a real trader is not on duty at 7.00am and you are just getting blocked by a nervous nellie.

    Or maybe the market you bet had not been checked to be open by a real trader. Or maybe it had not been updated in the last few hours so they automatically made it 20 bucks for the moment.

    I've tried to place $50 bets that got reduced to $10 by traders a couple of times at one book I have, but there have been no other signs my personal account is limited there. So think those instances have been nothing to do with me personally. Might be the same for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Wow. Yeah, you've been limited there. Time to move on. Are you big there and/or why type of bets do you usually place?

    Are you already using all 5 of the IL books?
    I use Draft Kings, FanDuel , and Bet Rivers. No reason to limit me, as my account is small potatoes and I am down slightly. Other than making $50 NFL bets on Sundays because of their 50 % odds boost, my bets are always $20-$25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I wonder if a real trader is not on duty at 7.00am and you are just getting blocked by a nervous nellie.

    Or maybe the market you bet had not been checked to be open by a real trader. Or maybe it had not been updated in the last few hours so they automatically made it 20 bucks for the moment.

    I've tried to place $50 bets that got reduced to $10 by traders a couple of times at one book I have, but there have been no other signs my personal account is limited there. So think those instances have been nothing to do with me personally. Might be the same for you.
    I tend to believe your analysis is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbill1 View Post
    I use Draft Kings, FanDuel , and Bet Rivers. No reason to limit me, as my account is small potatoes and I am down slightly. Other than making $50 NFL bets on Sundays because of their 50 % odds boost, my bets are always $20-$25
    OK, well then that's weird.

    You know that Rivers has the exact same lines as Draftkings? And their app sucks. I only use Rivers for the specials. And ocassionally if I can't even down at DK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    OK, well then that's weird.

    You know that Rivers has the exact same lines as Draftkings? And their app sucks. I only use Rivers for the specials. And ocassionally if I can't even down at DK.
    I ended up making it at DK. Just trying to balance my bets between the books, as I already had made several at DK

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    you would think with all the $$$'s on the line they would invest a bit more and get the APP to acceptable working order and easier to navigate. It really is horrible but then they are associated with Churchill downs so there you have the reason as Churchill is a CRAP outfit from head to toes. desktop is fine plus the do have the fastest withdrawals and decent rewards and promo's

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    you would think with all the $$$'s on the line they would invest a bit more and get the APP to acceptable working order and easier to navigate. It really is horrible but then they are associated with Churchill downs so there you have the reason as Churchill is a CRAP outfit from head to toes. desktop is fine plus the do have the fastest withdrawals and decent rewards and promo's
    I haven't tried on desktop. How does the geolocate work on the desktop?

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    Wow $20 is too high of a wager on a non-limited account?

    Nice 'risk' management...

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    I haven't tried on desktop. How does the geolocate work on the desktop?
    you have to download a program that detects. It works great for all of them. Only way I can stay sane using Bet rivers esp

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    you have to download a program that detects. It works great for all of them. Only way I can stay sane using Bet rivers esp
    I've got my setup with 2 ipads and my cell phone in front of me. I like the touchscreen betting. Rivers app sucks, but I hardly play there.

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    Europe runs most lines usa sportsbooks and lines the same at many properties under this company

    https://www.kambi.com/

    Rivers one of them

    PA they run 7 out of 11 books

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Europe runs most lines usa sportsbooks and lines the same at many properties under this company

    https://www.kambi.com/

    Rivers one of them

    PA they run 7 out of 11 books
    Kambi books seem to be doing a great job to me.

    Draftkings, BetSafe, Unibet, Parx, Penn National, 888sport etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Kambi books seem to be doing a great job to me.

    Draftkings, BetSafe, Unibet, Parx, Penn National, 888sport etc
    DraftKings has more tolerance than the others but they're still very weak for college baskets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    DraftKings has more tolerance than the others but they're still very weak for college baskets.
    Yeah, limits only in the hundreds depending on bet type, timing, and pregame vs. live.

    But they let you keep winning.

    They're also supposed to be switching away from Kambi by the end of Sept.

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    Just checked the limit. Bet Rivers lets me win $11.94 on college baskets. At DK I can get 10x that amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Just checked the limit. Bet Rivers lets me win $11.94 on college baskets. At DK I can get 10x that amount.
    Those are the early limits for DK though, right?

    I can do $222.24 right now on Elon total. $681.24 on spread. Actually I think those are regular limits and not the early limits.

    Live limits are lower.

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    It may still be on overnight limits. But it doesn't go much higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    It may still be on overnight limits. But it doesn't go much higher.
    Right. Just curious if we're exactly the same. I'm guessing yes. I think they just have different levels but don't micromanage from there. Mine used to be at least 4x higher.

    But once you get down to this level, it looks like they don't limit further.

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    You probably won't have the same limits.

    One reason book operators like Kambi is that they are supposed to have one of the most accurate and fairest player risk rating systems.

    Kambi backend will limit you to some extent, but if you get collared big time it is the book itself reacting to the Kambi risk rating.

    You can work out what Kambi thinks of you, compared to the actual book, by joining another Kambi book and seeing what limits you have there compared to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    You probably won't have the same limits.

    One reason book operators like Kambi is that they are supposed to have one of the most accurate and fairest player risk rating systems.

    Kambi backend will limit you to some extent, but if you get collared big time it is the book itself reacting to the Kambi risk rating.

    You can work out what Kambi thinks of you, compared to the actual book, by joining another Kambi book and seeing what limits you have there compared to others.
    So Kambi collates your information from various books and assigns a risk rating based on their multiple books and shares that with each??? If so, I did now know that. So far in IL we only have 2 Kambi books (Rivers and DK). But we're going to have more soon. I was hoping they didn't share info like that so I could ease in and mask my play at the newer Kambi books so I don't "kill the golden goose". I love Kambi books, but DK is migrating away so I'll need another one hopefully as tolerant, but that may be a tall task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post

    So Kambi collates your information from various books and assigns a risk rating based on their multiple books and shares that with each??? If so, I did now know that. So far in IL we only have 2 Kambi books (Rivers and DK). But we're going to have more soon. I was hoping they didn't share info like that so I could ease in and mask my play at the newer Kambi books so I don't "kill the golden goose". I love Kambi books, but DK is migrating away so I'll need another one hopefully as tolerant, but that may be a tall task.
    Yes it's all conglomerated with them.

    But they do not seem to tell book operators what to do as far as limits, so if BetRivers limits you hard it won't mean Draftkings will know that happened or do the same.

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    Not sure if that's the case Opti. I got limited from my already low limits by 2 Kambi books on the same day. They probably didn't like me hitting both books with the same bets every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Yes it's all conglomerated with them.

    But they do not seem to tell book operators what to do as far as limits, so if BetRivers limits you hard it won't mean Draftkings will know that happened or do the same.
    If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

    Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

    Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?
    You'll be good at Barstool until you get profiled. Try to stay under the radar if that's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Not sure if that's the case Opti. I got limited from my already low limits by 2 Kambi books on the same day. They probably didn't like me hitting both books with the same bets every time.
    I got that info from a low level trader in one of their Aussie books.

    So it may not be 100% accurate worldwide, but I think the basic system of Kambi not knowing player names unless they go out of their way to ask operators about specific accounts, and only applying minimal limiting via the backend, and trying to have a system where every book using them is not a clone of the others, is true worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    If that's the case then I'm surprised that Rivers hasn't limited me harder, given what others have said. My limits at Rivers are about the same as DK, but I know many have been limited harder at Rivers. I've mostly just done promos and specials at Rivers (and so I've had some profit, though nothing tremendous), although I have played a few regular plays of recent.

    Barstool is Kambi and they will be joining IL soon. So are you telling me that Barstool will have a risk rating on me based on my play at other books before I place a single wager with them?
    I'm not sure enough about the info sharing to know that for certain. From the little I know I'd guess you will start on standard and be profiled from there as a new Barstool customer.

    But as Kambi openly say they collect device fingerprints, there would be nothing to stop them linking up your Barstool and Rivers accounts that way.

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    Actually, I guess if you use different devices and connections for each book, that would stop Kambi auto linking you that way.

    But I think the key to their business philosophy is trying to make each customer book manage the majority of the player risk decisions. So players don't feel like joining multiple Kambi books is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    You'll be good at Barstool until you get profiled. Try to stay under the radar if that's possible.
    Yeah that's my plan. My plan is to use DK as my primary Kambi until that well runs dry. And then move on one-by-one until I get severely limited.

    Will Hill has been an amazing book for me. I'm still surprised. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Yeah that's my plan. My plan is to use DK as my primary Kambi until that well runs dry. And then move on one-by-one until I get severely limited.

    Will Hill has been an amazing book for me. I'm still surprised. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
    Really? WH IMO is the worst of the 5. I so want it to be good as I love Grand Victoria but man it really needs huge improvements with its markets. by far the worst wagering menu in Illinois. Look at EPL its sick how bad it is for a UK bookmaker

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