Real scam???

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-27-09, 05:41 PM

Perhaps in some cases but you can't deny that there is complete scam books out there like your houstonbets and betcascades and any other F rated book.

Even if you are the nicest guy in the world to these books. Send them free pizza, flowers and gifts, Let the owner ride your mother. They are still going to stiff you with a nice big fat grin on there face and not even thank you for letting the owner have it off with your mother

Besides, whatever the member had done, he does not deserve his money to be stolen.

**bad_ass** · 08-27-09, 05:53 PM

well I am not refering to the F rated books, most of the thread I notice is complaining on bwin, betway,, and other popular books, so if they did not done anything on those books, why did these books take action on them...

**316316** · 08-27-09, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by bad_ass

As far as I know, I notice that in SBR forum, many members here like to complaint on other sportbooks on how they scam their money or what so ever, think about it, there must be something the member had done in those sportsbook that those sportsbook had taken action.. dun u think I have a point...

I agree. But somehow, it is good thing there is a forum like this.. to be aware.. and warn the others.. right?

but youre correct some of them was been banned to this bookie coz of doing fraud things.. but like you and me, where here
to retrived and catch up news..

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-28-09, 03:32 AM

Usually when the player is trying to pull a fast on the bookie and SBR, it's discovered. Just look at the recent BET365 case. SBR discovered that bet365 had not changed the wager despite the players claim. Apparently, the player doctored or changed a screenshot to support his claim. SBR closed the case which SBR would never do without a good reason.

After saying that, I'm sure they are many cases that the player is not telling the whole truth.

**BWINcomFraud** · 08-28-09, 05:16 AM

SBR is doing the best work regarding players warning others with their complaints.
Everybody has his/her own brain weight of around 8oz (240-250 grams) to decide thereafter.

**Barbarian** · 08-28-09, 05:33 AM

Stupid thread. Bookmaker is not a charity fund - it is a business. Business is all about making money. Making money from people. From us. As soon as we show resistance WE MUST BE SCAMMED one way or another. It is business rule

**BWINcomFraud** · 08-28-09, 07:16 AM

Barbarian is right like nobody,

any bookmaker's business is about killing as many players/gamblers as possible, offering them as many bets as possible. Bwin have the biggest selection of daily games and bets possibilities, it has website design that many people like (black, just like my girlfriends AMEX card) but the thing is: BWIN USE THEIR OWN DESIGNED SOFTWARE that is not stored in any reputable jurisdiction ( all bookmakers in UK for example, must store all their software for casino games in UK under strict regulation by UK authorities, all must use RNG Random Number Generator to guarantee a fair play), that's why you will never see anybody made even 1000$ playing Bwin's casino games.
I wrote about it before and will not write much again, but making it short; If you are good player in Black Jack and you are playing by the rules 100% and you are able to have even very little advantage over Bwin's software, when your balance will increase significantly, Bwin without your permission or even announcing to you that the software version has changed, will use instead of 5 decks, 50 decks and will kill you 100%, because you will play as before but you will play with 50 decks.
The scam in casino games is everywhere, in any offshore jurisdiction, I know it sounds alarming, look most players lose anyway in BlackJack, Roulette, Poker and any other game as they play for fun or they are too confident. Those who are pros can win big, but on the way to winning big they will be taken care of with the trick explained above.
Why you think in UK, to issue a gambling license, online casino must keep it's RNG software with the regulator?
Who of you think that UK authorities are stupid?
Bwin and all other only offshore licensed online casinos, keep their software IN HOUSE.
There are independent testing institutes also in US, Europe but they don't keep the casino's software, they check if it's fair, say it is fair and return it to a bookmaker, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
That's why even I have Partybets account for sport betting and may say (in my previous posts statements from PartyBets, transactions, deposits, withdrawals, bets) their very reputable and trustworthy (LSE listed), but I will never play there any casino game.
Because I am their foreign customer, not UK customer where they have this software with UK regulator for UK customers, so even I trust them very much, I will never play casino games there, only sports.
Guys and girls, did you were born today? Purpose of every best book is to kill you, purpose of offshore book is to cheat you and kill you.
I know that 20-30% of all offshore books are outright scam, fraud, theft. Bwin is only one of them.

**bad_ass** · 08-28-09, 04:58 PM

So, like what Barbarian, either we scam the book makers or the bookmakers scam us, am I right to say that??

**rolybea** · 08-28-09, 10:59 PM

i never have a problem with bwin and i do few withdraws, its clear that i dont play casino i do only sportsbet... ITs sure that they have scam over there like they have fraud in finance, in companys, in stock market. But you could clearly see it here and in on any other sportbook review website. Like i said i never have any problem with bwin i dont think its a scam sportsbook.

**rolybea** · 08-28-09, 11:00 PM

i think that a solid bookmaker well managed will do enough money with their spread without steal any player....

**oiler** · 08-28-09, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame

Usually when the player is trying to pull a fast on the bookie and SBR, it's discovered. Just look at the recent BET365 case. SBR discovered that bet365 had not changed the wager despite the players claim. Apparently, the player doctored or changed a screenshot to support his claim. SBR closed the case which SBR would never do without a good reason.

After saying that, I'm sure they are many cases that the player is not telling the whole truth.

u know what they say,,there is 3 sides to each story,the players .the books and the truth

**Karla** · 08-29-09, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by oiler

u know what they say,,there is 3 sides to each story,the players .the books and the truth

you're right. one way or another somebody lies.
just too bad for the bookies if the player is just scamming them and somewhat ruining their reputation. But if it is only 1 player, they won't give a damn on that.

**bad_ass** · 08-29-09, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Karla

you're right. one way or another somebody lies.
just too bad for the bookies if the player is just scamming them and somewhat ruining their reputation. But if it is only 1 player, they won't give a damn on that.

Agreed, but for me I still think in this world is human nature to scam around one another.. but, i am quite disappointed that when players scam the bookies, than they come and complaint in the forum saying the bookies steal their money, means theft shouting for theft...

well done and outstanding

**tomcowley** · 08-29-09, 04:34 PM

If you presume that a book's misconduct is always premeditated, you're an idiot. Look at the recent thread on the greek and tell me what those players did. They were absolutely innocent of anything. The book tried to take their money.

**bad_ass** · 08-29-09, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by tomcowley

If you presume that a book's misconduct is always premeditated, you're an idiot. Look at the recent thread on the greek and tell me what those players did. They were absolutely innocent of anything. The book tried to take their money.

Well I am not saying all book makers are innocent or something, what I say is do u really think members here is telling the real truth, or they just wanna make something big for them to get their way in the end.. it is very hard to tell who lying in the end...dun u agree u dumb ass..

**tomcowley** · 08-29-09, 04:41 PM

Sometimes players lie. Sometimes books steal. Sometimes books steal from players who did nothing wrong. Sometimes morons reply to posts before reading the thread they've been told to read that invalidates their original argument. Are you just scamming SBR points with this drivel?

**bad_ass** · 08-30-09, 02:02 PM

Well mind if I ask tomcowley, from your reation and your signature, you been scam by a book makers before, and to clarify myself, i am not here to scam points, I am just stating a dicussion here man, well if you try to be polite to me, I will be polite to u too if u dun mind..

**raddle_snake** · 08-30-09, 02:03 PM

Woooo.... what the fuss about.. take it easy guys as we are not here to make enemies but to help each other here to beat the bookies... cheers...

**BWINcomFraud** · 08-31-09, 10:21 AM

I am not here to make enemies or friends, there will always be spies from any fraudulent book who will say: I am a customer....made nice withdrawals....good book.....best book....
I am here to write my concerns, show the facts, see what others experienced with the same book, besides any book even rated F by SBR will have happy customers who don't have to be scammed to lose, because they can't win. I am also in this category, I will always lose in any casino cards game, that's why I never play it for big money, but I have fun to lose 10$ each time playing Black Jack because I don't play to win, I play to see how software is developed in such a way, like ATM machine that only takes money one way.
If I would be a pro in cards games, I would play only with a betting casino company, that have it's playing software code stored with a regulator in onshore legal jurisdiction like UK, US, Europe. In this jurisdictions all games are run from the regulators servers, betting company don't have the password or any other option to intervene or change the software, they only offer services and finance transactions, but in games they can't intervene. This is the law by UK authorities, they will only issue a license if bookmaker stores it's software on regulators servers. That's why beware of all offshore casino's, they are the owners of this software and nobody can say if it's fair.

This is a quote from EGR Magazine about Bwin, it seems complaints abot them are working quite good:

Active customer numbers remained broadly stable compared to the Euro 2008 quarter, reaching 1,057,000, compared to 1,095,000. The number of new active customers however fell by 15.1% to 251,000, due to increased sign-ups during the Euro 2008.

**bad_ass** · 08-31-09, 03:18 PM

Agree, but I do not play casino online, if I wanna gamber and win, I rather go to the real casino...

**316316** · 08-31-09, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by bad_ass

Agree, but I do not play casino online, if I wanna gamber and win, I rather go to the real casino...

nice.. rich men! lols!

thats the point.. but why dont you try to play onlie casino as well.. it is also good.. lols!

**TheBeautifulGame** · 09-01-09, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by 316316

nice.. rich men! lols!

thats the point.. but why dont you try to play onlie casino as well.. it is also good.. lols!

IMO online Casinos are a joke and a waste of money. You will see a very small percentage of players winning funds playing in an online casino.

If you do play in them, hope you win, best of luck

**BWINcomFraud** · 09-01-09, 06:05 AM

HiHi,

look into my upper post about the offshore casino's software, all of it is stored on casino's servers, got the point?
Nobody will win online and nobody ever won, it's all scam.

**TheBeautifulGame** · 09-01-09, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by BWINcomFraud

HiHi,

look into my upper post about the offshore casino's software, all of it is stored on casino's servers, got the point?
Nobody will win online and nobody ever won, it's all scam.

I read it, good point. I just can't see the reasoning behind playing in online casinos. When I worked for the CS of a book, it was astonishing the thousands of $$ wasted in the Casino.

Cheers for the SBR point btw

**BWINcomFraud** · 09-01-09, 07:24 AM

I see you know the business from the inside, I also was in the category of fools before Bwin stole my winnings ( I bet only on sports ), but then I made a research about legislation, jurisdictions, software.
What I found out shocked me, I found out that only UK registered casino's like Ladbrokes and William Hill and few others have their software for casino games stored on the regulator's servers, all the offshore casino's even those rated A by SBR, have their software stored on THEIR SERVERS.
I can't say that all offshore casino's cheat but same I can't reassure they don't.
Would you play cards game with me for money, if you would know that I am the producer of the playing cards?
Would you play cards with me, if we would go to the any retail in the city and buy decks there? I think yes.
So how people play online, if casino can write you choose 5 decks Black Jack game, but you are playing with 100?
There is no guarantee, it's like blind trust to offshore unknown casino. But people see the nice flashing adds, they see casino sponsors events, sport teams and they think it's enough to guarantee the fair play.
Why best reputable Las Vegas casino's don't sponsor nothing? Why Monte Carlo casino's don't sponsor anybody?
Because advertisement drives fools to their online scams called games, but nobody understands the law or the regulation, players are fools to play something they don't understand the rules first.

**bad_ass** · 09-01-09, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by BWINcomFraud

I see you know the business from the inside, I also was in the category of fools before Bwin stole my winnings ( I bet only on sports ), but then I made a research about legislation, jurisdictions, software.
What I found out shocked me, I found out that only UK registered casino's like Ladbrokes and William Hill and few others have their software for casino games stored on the regulator's servers, all the offshore casino's even those rated A by SBR, have their software stored on THEIR SERVERS.
I can't say that all offshore casino's cheat but same I can't reassure they don't.
Would you play cards game with me for money, if you would know that I am the producer of the playing cards?
Would you play cards with me, if we would go to the any retail in the city and buy decks there? I think yes.
So how people play online, if casino can write you choose 5 decks Black Jack game, but you are playing with 100?
There is no guarantee, it's like blind trust to offshore unknown casino. But people see the nice flashing adds, they see casino sponsors events, sport teams and they think it's enough to guarantee the fair play.
Why best reputable Las Vegas casino's don't sponsor nothing? Why Monte Carlo casino's don't sponsor anybody?
Because advertisement drives fools to their online scams called games, but nobody understands the law or the regulation, players are fools to play something they don't understand the rules first.

Strongly agree>>>

**Skalatharx** · 09-02-09, 10:43 PM

[quote.. dun u think I have a point...

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NO

**bad_ass** · 09-13-09, 08:10 AM

Why No???