*RESOLVED* Pat Venditto stiffed 6.7k from GTBets (Apparent A rated book by SBR)

[CanuckG]

Edit: Update from SBR:
GTBets has credited $6,847.67 to Pat's account.
They have listened to the feedback. The rule has been removed from the site. The intention behind the rule was not to confiscate winnings, and in fact in recalculating Pat's balance losses were adjusted too, but it's nevertheless not ever okay to not pay booked action. In the future if there is a bonus rule like this, the software won't allow bets over a stipulated limit, so we shouldn't have a case like this again.

As to the casino rule someone pointed out, it has been reworded as well.

Thank you for all of the feedback.




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So I deposit $250ish take a bonus 100% cash and go on a hot run and they use this bullshit rule stating I was betting too much per game or some shit to justify stealing almost 7k from me. Essentially if the wagers lost they would never reimburse me my losses but since the majority won they confiscated a shit ton and freerolled me. If there system accepts the wager they have to honor it no? There were no steam plays or bad lines or anyhing non recreational just a straight up con job using any bogus rule they can to steal. Here's the email they sent me.

Also can someone tell me who to contact for a matter like this to help me on sbr? I am banned from sbr so would need maybe someone on sbr's email...

If someone could post my story on the sportsbook and industry forum so they get negative press for this bullshit that would be great. Maybe it will make them do the right thing and honor the wagers their system accepted. Clear freeroll.


Is it not the sportsbooks responsibility to place limits on my sports wagers in their system if they want to have a rule that states you can only bet a certain ammount per game when you haven't met rollover? Surely they would have been fine with what I was doing as long as I lost nothing would have been mentioned.... Someone please post this on sbr and help me out thanks.

So why did GTBets take so long to make this 'correction'. Looks like a BS rule to freeroll players. How does an A rated book have a rule like this and how are they A rated?

[carolinakid]

i agree, also the way Heritage is moving the numbers now too, they imo should be down grade as well..........

[firedawg]

Wow

[pimike]

Glad I’m in Vegas

[CanuckG]

SBR moves this thread here instead of more visibility on PT yet keeps Seaweed's garbage on PT. Makes zero sense...

[Hman]

SBR analysts have touched base with the customer and in discussions with GTBets as well

[daneblazer]

Can’t trust Georgia Tech

[CanuckG]

SBR analysts have touched base with the customer and in discussions with GTBets as well

Thanks - will be following up on here about this

[PD77]

Damn, I’ve been with GTBets since they were VIP and I’ve never heard of this bullshit rule. I haven’t played there in the last few years because they cut off my bonuses but since 5Dimes closed they’ve started offering 100% bonuses to me again. No thanks GTBets, looks like you guys are looking for excuses to steal players money if this true.

this is mybookie bs if you ask me.

[PD77]

SBR analysts have touched base with the customer and in discussions with GTBets as well

Nice to see you in here Hman and nice to see a moderator handle a complaint thread the right way. Not, well it’s in the T&C so your f’ed.

[BeatTheJerk]

So why did GTBets take so long to make this 'correction'. Looks like a BS rule to freeroll players. How does an A rated book have a rule like this and how are they A rated?

What forum did he post that ?

[Wrongside]

Aren't Patty and Canuck the same guy?

[darrell74]

I know the feeling

[CanuckG]

What forum did he post that ?

Therx forum

[CanuckG]

Aren't Patty and Canuck the same guy?

Negative

[pologq]

that really sounds fcuked up

[Optional]

So why did GTBets take so long to make this 'correction'. Looks like a BS rule to freeroll players. How does an A rated book have a rule like this and how are they A rated?

All bonuses have terms.

Was this term not disclosed?

It's a bit rich to yell scam or freeroll when you have not read the terms isn't it?


Not saying I like that bonus term, but every bonus has terms to beat the player in them and surely Patty knows enough about how things work to check them out properly first?

[CanuckG]

All bonuses have terms.

Was this term not disclosed?

It's a bit rich to yell scam or freeroll when you have not read the terms isn't it?


Not saying I like that bonus term, but every bonus has terms to beat the player in them and surely Patty knows enough about how things work to check them out properly first?

Why are those bets going through and being accepted then if its against their rules? GTBets shouldn’t be allowing those bets. If those bets lost they wouldn’t have said - “Hey man lets refund you since those bets exceeded the rules” Please stop defending shady crooked books who pay for ratings. They shouldn’t be an A rated book.

[vampire assassin]

All bonuses have terms.

Was this term not disclosed?

It's a bit rich to yell scam or freeroll when you have not read the terms isn't it?


Not saying I like that bonus term, but every bonus has terms to beat the player in them and surely Patty knows enough about how things work to check them out properly first?

Hasn't SBR ruled against bullshit rules in the past, if their software could have fixed the problem? There were some cases years ago where players bet correlated parlays, and had their balances stolen. Part of the justification for ruling for the player was the book's software could have stopped it, but they didn't.

It's the same situation here. If GT Bets wanted to limit how a player bet the bonus, their software could have done that. They didn't. So it's a "gotcha" rule. Who reads rules anyway, except for maybe what the rollover is?

This is an embarrassing rule and enforcement for an A-book, and I hope SBR makes this right.

[CanuckG]

Yep Vampire it’s embarrassing.

Maybe GTbets should invest in better software with the amount of money I’m sure they’ve freerolled customers. Really goes to show you that those A ratings should not be trusted. How are you A rated yet your software is from 1980?

[vampire assassin]

Yep Vampire it’s embarrassing.

Maybe GTbets should invest in better software with the amount of money I’m sure they’ve freerolled customers. Really goes to show you that those A ratings should not be trusted. How are you A rated yet your software is from 1980?

Be patient and watch the process play out. I think the biggest thing an "A" rating says is your money is safe. Lots of A books have crummy software, but you don't worry about your money or winnings.

[PD77]

Since I havent played at GTbets in a while I decided to check out there T&C's and its LOADED with other FU clauses as well. https://www.gtbets.ag/promotionrules
It's pretty simple, GTbets.com is looking for reasons to confiscate your deposit.
I really like this one, keep in mind if you take a bonus and play one of the below slots you void you deposit plus bonus. SLOTS for crying out loud, 13 of them. I bet they've confiscated thousands of deposits on this one.

• Please be advised - the use of bonus funds to place wagers on the following games is not allowed: Baccarat, Craps, European Roulette, Chilli Pop, The Golden Owl of Athena, Legend of the Nile, Ogre Empire, Reels of Wealth, Sin City Nights, Spinfinity Man, Enchanted, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde, True Illusions, The Tipsy Tourist, At the Copa, and The True Sheriff. Players attempting to place wagers on this game using bonus funds will have any winnings removed and their accounts may be permanently closed. If you have any concerns or questions about our bonus program, please contact our customer service department before placing any wagers.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Ok since noone else asked...isn't Venditto a stiff?

[CanuckG]

Ok since noone else asked...isn't Venditto a stiff?

Not sure how that is relevant to this case but thank you for your input. Whether he is or isn't doesn't make what GTbets is doing here any better.

[Optional]

Hasn't SBR ruled against bullshit rules in the past, if their software could have fixed the problem? There were some cases years ago where players bet correlated parlays, and had their balances stolen. Part of the justification for ruling for the player was the book's software could have stopped it, but they didn't.

It's the same situation here. If GT Bets wanted to limit how a player bet the bonus, their software could have done that. They didn't. So it's a "gotcha" rule. Who reads rules anyway, except for maybe what the rollover is?

This is an embarrassing rule and enforcement for an A-book, and I hope SBR makes this right.

Euro regulators allow this type of bonus term without any coded stop on the player breaching it, and I am guessing that is where the idea came from.

I think it is a crappy rule too but it's not crappy enough to be compared to the corelated parlay situation as long as the term is properly disclosed.

[Optional]

Ok since noone else asked...isn't Venditto a stiff?

Technically I am supposed to delete the thread and warn CanuckG not to circumvent the SBR ban by posting here on Pat's behalf.


Before Cannuck writes me off as just a paid shill desperate to defend any well paying crooks again

[PD77]

I think it is a crappy rule too

Predatory rule is more like it.

[vampire assassin]

Euro regulators allow this type of bonus term without any coded stop on the player breaching it, and I am guessing that is where the idea came from.

Wow. Do you have an example?

[CanuckG]

So my friend can't have a voice? By my understanding it's the books that keep your pockets full right? Not the other way around? So of course most people will think that. How anyone can think GTBets is in right here is either a 'paid shill' or just clueless. Love to hear the reasoning from them or yourself about all these BS rules they sneak in when they should NOT BE ALLOWING THE WAGERS IN THE FIRST PLACE. If they LOST do you think GTBets would have refunded him? Yes or no?

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Not sure how that is relevant to this case but thank you for your input. Whether he is or isn't doesn't make what GTbets is doing here any better.

It is relevant because I'm almost 100% sure he has stiffed numerous posters for points as well as real money.

It looks like karma is coming back to your friend.

If I'm wrong here, i apologize but pretty sure he is getting what he has given to numerous others over the years.

I guess we are supposed to care that a career con man is getting stiffed?

[CanuckG]

It is relevant because I'm almost 100% sure he has stiffed numerous posters for points as well as real money.

It looks like karma is coming back to your friend.

If I'm wrong here, i apologize but pretty sure he is getting what he has given to numerous others over the years.

I guess we are supposed to care that a career con man is getting stiffed?

So if I have done something wrong in the past it makes it okay for someone to steal from me? Sound logic!

[JAKEPEAVY21]

So if I have done something wrong in the past it makes it okay for someone to steal from me? Sound logic!

Karma is a mother fukker..good day

[Nittany Lion]

I don't know the whole back story but it sounds like Pat Venditto was banned from SBR for being a stiff? Maybe somone can post more details as I'm curious now but it's really hard to show empathy towards anyone that fukked over SBR members if he did indeed stiff people. Karma is a bitch ain't it?

Anyways, for GTBets to even have language like that in their rules is scammy. Taking bonuses from some of these offshore books seems like it's just a way for them to screw you over somehow in the end if you win. If their betting software allows the bet they should be forced to accept it. Alot of these unregulated scammy books are going to lose alot of U.S. customers once more states approve online sports betting.

[CanuckG]

If you want to talk about karma be happy to discuss that in another thread

This is about GTBets being scummy as fukk and SBR should be the player's advocate here and do something that actually creates positive change.

[Optional]

So my friend can't have a voice? By my understanding it's the books that keep your pockets full right? Not the other way around? So of course most people will think that. How anyone can think GTBets is in right here is either a 'paid shill' or just clueless. Love to hear the reasoning from them or yourself about all these BS rules they sneak in when they should NOT BE ALLOWING THE WAGERS IN THE FIRST PLACE. If they LOST do you think GTBets would have refunded him? Yes or no?

Correct, your friend cannot have a voice here as he is banned.

But that has been over looked for this thread and SBR are looking into this situation.