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word of advice as i'd say you are odds on to get banned from the forum soon. STFU and let SBR Staff work its magic. your chance is very slim with them BUT zero without so STFU for a bitComment -
You seemed to agree that gambling while on US soil was reason to confiscate your money. That you were being truthful. Now, you are saying it doesn't matter and is immaterial whether or not you were VPN'ing from the US, and they owe you regardless. After attempting to try to use what looked like tact, and being proven to be a liar that couldn't verify any of the information you purported, you've launched an all out smear campaign designed at negative publicity via search functions by flooding this thread with misinformation.
At the very least now the thread should be changed to "Cloudbet confiscated $15,000 due to playing on a VPN from the USA
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Still enjoying re-reading this one.I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.
I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit
1.25BCH
2BCH
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a71034 4ff678329f51768902280147
I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
and a 17.7 BCH cashout
From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.
At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.
I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:
124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).
Those final deposits the final day can be found here:
24 BCH
20 BCH
16 BCH
3 BCH
11 BCH
So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.
Then I receive this:
Hi,
We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.
As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.
1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence
2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.
3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.
We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.
Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
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Cloudbet security
Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:
I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:
Hello there, efxes,
I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.
I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.
The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.
Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.
Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.
Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.
In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.
Thanks for your understanding.
Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.
Best regards,
Team Cloudbet
So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.
They just want to steal the money.
Also see https://medium.com/@drivingforpennie...s-fcbae7016dd0
for the entire transaction history of the account. There was a lot of cashouts, emptying the account, and starting over and depositing. They were waiting for a big deposit to freeroll me and take it if I didn't lose it.Comment -
Sounds like someone missed their meds. Is this IP coming from the white house?Comment -
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1. Stop spamming this thread. It's not helping your case.<br>
2. Stop accusing everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you of being shills. I can't believe you went back to this pathetic tactic. It's not how you win friends, and you need advocates in cases like yours.<br>
3. Lesson to anyone who has a legitimate issue with a sportsbook. Tell the truth from throughout the process and preserve your credibility. It's not like you're going to win anything while hiding the truth.
With all that being said, if it's true that you really haven't been paid back all of your deposit money, I hope that SBR is able to help you in some way. But you should probably reform your attitude quickly.Comment -
i'm done here, bye. i don't need this crap. cloudbet is screwed anyways, who cares. they're going to pay me.Comment -
"For those who don't know, Cloudbet.com is a bitcoin sportsbook/casino. For a small bettor and most bettors they would seem like a legit book because most of them are losing bettors and if they pay out the small to medium bettors. But if you are a long term winning bettor they will find every excuse to not only keep your winnings but also your original deposit. They change their terms on conditions on the go as they please to justify their decisions."
I am a success full bettor and i follow a successful syndicate tipster Max XXXXXX from maxXXXXXX.com. Entire 2018 my go to book was pinnacle and betcris and I had no problem betting and getting paid there. But the limits in those books for some of the college football/basketball games are only $3000. This is when I decided to check out cloudbook since they tout themselves as the highest limit sportsbook. During the the final 2 weeks of december, college basketball bowl season, Max XXXXXX, posted all 6 of his 5 unit plays well ahead of time since the lines were out. This was a great opportunity for me to go heavy because he usually has only 2 to 3 five unit tips each month. I wanted to bet all 6 big and also play a parlay. Cloudbet already has sent me an offer earlier in 2018 where they offered 100% matching bonus for max of 5 bitcoins. This means they will match my deposit for up to 5 bitcoins. I decided try it and opened an account with cloudbet and deposited 5bitcoin and my account was credit extra 5 bitcoin for a total of 10 bitcoin. I went ahead and placed 1.5 bitcoin bet on each of the 6 bets and 1 bitcoin bet on a 6 team parlay. All 6 games won including the parlay and I i won total of 53 bitcoins and my total balance in my account now is 63 bitcoin. On the first week of January, I requested a withdrawal of 40 bitcoins into my bitcoin wallet and it was never processed. Customer service that responded almost instantly when i asked questions about depositing now took days to respond. They kept saying they are investigating few things and the payment will be processed upon completion. During the investigation they asked so many things for identification (nonsense because as a bitcoin book they tout themselves as a book to play anonymously) but i complied and gave them everything. THey concluded that I broke their terms and conditions and closed my account without any payment, not even my original deposit. I didn't break any rules. Only thing that I did was follow a tipster and no where in their terms and condition it says that I cannot follow syndicate tipsters. This month i found out that I was not alone. There is a complaint of a heavy hitter, probably another maxXXXXX client, complaining about cloudbet holding 338 of bitcoins after he deposited 112 bitcoins and ran up it up to 338 with winnings. You can find his story in bitcointalk forum adn as well as ask gamblers forums and few blogs/media covered his story as well. There are numerous other complaints.
cloudbet is a scam. if you are a winning bettor or big bettor, stay away.
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It's not true. He is playing every angle in the book. He says he LAST SENT X amount and received back less than X. Overall he is in the black and has received more than his deposits.
He's a liar and a shyster. He's gotten caught cheating, lying, attempting to steal, and now trying to extort Cloudbet by spamming a smear campaign against them, using multiple names and platforms and perpetuate his story. He first had a medium account with his story from "Sally Green" which has now been changed to "Natasha Martin". Now most likely, he used his own YouTube channel where he 'stumbles' onto the story from Sally Green and starts off by saying ""this little article i stumbled upon, uh was actually sent to me by a bunch of victims of cloudbet". LoL yeah right. All meanwhile saying theres an 'uproar in the community' yet its literally all of him, and his fake names. More and more the story comes to light as he has to go to bat further, maybe putting his horrible YT channel and website at jeopardy.
For all of the scamming you are saying people are doing and all of the people must be shills, you seem to be the most dishonest scam shill type that there is. Also reading the BIO for your SallyGreen/NatashaMartin medium and plugging it into the YT channel, and Twitch Bio, which you've now exposed (guy clearly states he's right near the border of Mexico also, similar betting patterns, writing styles, history), it makes it very clear why you wouldn't outright say the truth of the details from the jump.
Wish this thread would get the proper title it deserves at this point. This guy is a JOKE.Comment -
guys i'll be back in a few days when this thing settles and cloudbet pays me what I deserve, the money deposited on that day and the account balance of 67 BCH minus the .26 BTC misgrade.
Thanks guys, I appreciate you all for your support in the scams.
Please send back the balance on the account here (or the deposited funds that day of 74 BCH)
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Im done here. Im not done here. Guys, I will be back in a few days.
Definitely coming from the white house.Comment -
Do what you want. I'm giving constructive feedback. If you peruse this forum, you will find plenty of threads where posters almost unanimously and vociferously support the OP. So this community is very obviously not comprised of shills. It's comprised of people who have been around the block a few times and recognize that there is a need to sniff out valid claims. There are things that you can do to ensure your claim is taken seriously, and there are things you can do to discredit yourself. It's that simple.Comment -
This is too good.
Also, I didn't listen to the whole YouTube, but I noticed that he gives himself away as being OP at least one time in the YouTube video (at 15:43).
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His claim is that he was not in the United States though. They locked his funds when he provided documents showing he was a US citizen.
It's possible to be in a country that you're not a citizen of, or be a citizen of multiple countries. If cloudbet seized his funds because he's a US citizen, it should be included in their terms. Right now I think the terms only mention physical location.Comment -
lol you cannot make this stuff up... the white knight arrives. do you guys have ANY integrity?
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incredible. dude is just launching a full out smear campaign. so many different accounts. spamming all forums. has this YT channel but can only use it so much because it includes some of his personal information. remember his first posts he didn't want to disclose much information. 'the community is outraged'!. he referred to himself as a 'genius and a warrior' today talking about his YT channel as if its someone else. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...24#msg55345224 remember the guy 'stumbled onto' the medium post that has no followers, was just made, and has had 2 fake names since.. and per the YT video was 'sent by a bunch of victims!". now his main point for how Cloudbet are scammers is because i own it! looooooool. comedy gold. feel bad for Cloudbet in this instance. seems like they've done a lot of really bad things in the past, and maybe still doing it, but paying out this guy would be bad bad bad. the guy who's a genius and a warrior, just like the medium accounts that he made saying she's a 'sportsbook scam whistleblower'... is in reality someone who uploads videos of him gambling in online casinos using dumb systems, calls out a couple casinos that wronged him personally, and is acting like he's some value to the community when doing nothing. dude has no videos doing anything marginally productiveComment -
You left out the part about the tennis wager and were making it seem that it ALL started because of a country restriction. I have read this entire thread and a decent amount of the thread on bitcointalk that you linked, and you just keep repeating the same thing and won't let the process play out. You have said multiple times that you are going to take 48 hours off........yet you're back posting the same exact posts 48 minutes later.
Spamming about it 24/7 is not going to do you any favors. I don't want to see anyone get freerolled or have their money taken from, but the way you're going about this is the wrong way. All you're doing it attack, attack, attack.Comment -
That link is incredible. 341 pages of this guy talking to himself with all of his aliases. 341 pages! Im sitting here eating popcorn. Videos, DDOS attacks, so great.
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Cloudbet have not refuted the OPs claims to SBR despite assuring us a manger would come back to us days ago.
The OP says he can supply proof of being in Mexico on the day this occurred.
Cloudbet say this is not true but they have not supplied any proof to refute his claim or back up their own.
For now, Cloudbet deserve the shade OP is throwing their way.
Would be easy for them to back up their claims... if they really can. But they have not
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And I can't believe he has uncovered that Red Apples is the owner of cloudbet. Incredible investigative journalism. I heard Fishead owns Pinnacle, and JJ Gold is the William in William Hill.
I hope the OP gets his money. I really do. Cloudbet is reaching here for sure. But his tactics are so entertaining.Comment -
See, this is what you do when you build a house of cards full of lies. Eventually you get held accountable for your lies and your story falls apart. You didn't say "I might have had an account a few years ago". You were just trying to make up a story to get paid and you got caught lying yet again. Look at one of your first posts from Sept 23 where you emailed them:
"I just sent in all my verifying documents. I could really really use the funds and I really like the site. I've lost a lot of money to you guys, like a lot of BTC over the years, I just forget what my old logins are. and I mean a LOT of bitcoin lol. But i still keep coming back.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55251268#msg55 251268
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Yes I have integrity, and I'm just going by the information available.
If Cloudbet refutes his claims I will listen. But they haven't.
You must know something I don't to claim that OP was physically in the US while playing on cloudbet. Please share.
All I'm saying is that being a citizen of a certain country doesn't give cloudbet the right to seize your money, according to their terms.Comment -
If cloudbet seized his money because of the realization that he had another account, that would be different.
But the public response they gave confirmed what their terms say, that it's your physical location that matters, not what country you are a citizen of.
7.1.3. You agree that at all times when using the Website, including making requests for withdrawal or transfers of funds, you are not physically located in any of the following countries:- [li]the United States of America and its territories;[/li][li]United Kingdom;[/li][li]Hong Kong;[/li][li]Singapore;[/li]
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1. Yes they did refute his claim. See post below.
2. Read the thread.
Your first post on the 29th you said
"They accepted his action and he didn't break any terms. They owe him an apology and his entire account balance."
So, where was your evidence that he didn't break any terms? And they owe him an apology? This before ANY evidence is provided of any kind from either side?
Read the thread. The OP has had a million chances to prove that he wasn't in the USA, and has changed his story countless times amidst a bunch of lies. It's pretty much proven now that he was VPN'ing while in the States, as he's changed his story to that part of the equation does not matter. Furthering this, Cloudbet is willing to share details pending his authorization which he hasn't signed off on.
The difference between where integrity lays, is during the time that you are saying that he didn't break any terms and is owed an apology, the rest of the thinking community was busy gathering information about the case to confirm or deny the claims.Comment -
Hello efxes,
We've received a reply from Cloudbet Casino and here's what they say:
"1. Cloudbet does not accept players from USA. If USA players attempt to create an account, they see a clear message that their jurisdiction is prohibited.
2. If a player is found to be circumventing our automated checks and connects from a prohibited jurisdiction (such as USA), their account is immediately frozen pending an investigation. In this case, the player in question knowingly and deliberately circumvented our location checks, and was discovered and confirmed to be located in USA. They provided both ID and address proof from USA and also repeatedly attempted to login from USA IP addresses.
That the player is located in the USA is without doubt, and we prohibit all players from USA. That they knowingly and deliberately circumvented our country checks is also without doubt.
3. In accordance with our T&Cs, in these situations we reserve the right to void all bets and return their account balance, up to the sum of their deposits. Furthermore, we reserve the right to confiscate funds in certain cases (such as repeat offenders). We did not confiscate any funds in this case, but instead voided all bets.
4. In this particular case, the customer has already withdrawn more than the sum of their deposits and accordingly we consider the matter closed. If the player offers their consent, we can gladly share transaction hashes of all relevant transactions.
5. Additionally, the player is sharing information and making claims in public web forums (such as this one) that they know to be untrue. For example, the player claims they have provided us with address proof outside of the USA which is untrue. The player has also made other untrue claims - such as the size of their deposits.
6. We continue to have a duty of privacy to the player, so cannot publish information we have that directly contradicts their claims without the player's explicit consent. We can, however, share this with our regulator, or an arbiter with the player's consent. Additionally, if the player would like to consent to us sharing this information with select senior members of the community, we would be happy to do so.
7. If the player wishes to continue their claim, we strongly encourage the player to take their case to Curacao eGaming, of whom will act as an arbiter. We agree to be bound by any ruling they make in this case.
We know the player is creating a lot of noise about this case, and we treat every claim of this nature seriously, but in this situation, the player knowingly tried to circumvent our rules, was caught, has already withdrawn more than their deposit, and is providing false information in public."Comment -
Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.
But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.
Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.Comment
