All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

**yellowstorm21** · 01-04-23, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by infotimbo

I saw that three cases were mentioned on a German video, but those may be the same of course, depending on where he picked it up. If not, maybe you can ask him for more details:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu2mI5L21U8

He also says that the issue is likely caused by using orbitxch/orbitexch with the wrong credentials (which is why I was asking for the link provided) - but it doesn't really sound too likely to me.

thanks for the link
I do not speak German at all but I will try to find a way to have the guys' words translated.
They are trying to cover their illegal activities by shifting the blame on customers, I am not a newbie in the betting industry my friend, I follow instructions carefully trying never to act carelessly. I have never had my credentials hacked anywhere...only at Orbit. So, if it is really my fault according to them, why they avoid to send me the IP address from where the scam bet was put through my account?

**Barrakuda** · 01-04-23, 10:24 PM

Is AC88 still around? Besides the crazy KYC, any issues there?

**acltear** · 01-05-23, 09:54 PM

I thought AC88 didn't take US customers either, but now that I check their website, I am not sure they ever explicitly say that. Its all of the other websites that say they don't take customers from the US. Might be worth trying to register an account.

I have been trying to see if VOdds will let it slide as long as a VPN is used.

Edit: Got my U.S. documents verified through the KYC process with VOdds. Kind of curious is it would work for AC.

**raiton** · 01-06-23, 03:55 AM

Yesterday i was "hacked" aswell. Overall i lost 6970€ on bets placed on 4 cricket games. (never placed a bet on a cricket game in my life)
BIA answered basicaly the same they wrote you.
I speak german and have already contacted the guy in the video. He says in the video, that he has 3 similar cases with BIA, where the same shit happend.

**Optional** · 01-06-23, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by infotimbo

Did this quote include a link to the potential phishing site? And if so, do you think it's possible that you accidentally tried to use it?

And just for clarification: who didn't release the full info list after your GDPR request? BiA or Orbit?

Originally posted by yellowstorm21

Of course they didn't include any link of the potential phishing site. They made up that story to cover their shady actions, it is impossible that I used any other link except the one their provided my when I signed up.
Orbit never answered to my GPDR request, BIA was the one who sent me this list where all the important information is missing.
I am aware of at least other 2 similar scam case , with Orbit customers being stolen by fake bets put from their accounts on cricket games.

There have been reports of a multiple phishing sites posing at OrbitX for maybe 3 years now.

I do not think it is a made up story that these exist.

**infotimbo** · 01-06-23, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Optional

There have been reports of a multiple phishing sites posing at OrbitX for maybe 3 years now.

yeah, they do exist. If you google for Orbit Exchange for example, you get a link to orbıt (with Turkish ı instead of i) at the very top, which most definitely is a phishing site.

But still, the number of cases is getting scary, and as far as I could see, all seem to have happened at BiA?!

**yellowstorm21** · 01-07-23, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by raiton

Yesterday i was "hacked" aswell. Overall i lost 6970€ on bets placed on 4 cricket games. (never placed a bet on a cricket game in my life)
BIA answered basicaly the same they wrote you.
I speak german and have already contacted the guy in the video. He says in the video, that he has 3 similar cases with BIA, where the same shit happend.

What other actions do you intend to take about that? The guys here at SBR forum have been very helpful and I really appreciate their willingness to help and give advice. Unfortunately all the ADR services I have turned to for help (IBAS, eCOGRA, thepogg) replied that they are not the approved ADR providers for Orbit.
To resume, "Opti" insists that only Betfair can deal with our case properly. I agree, but Betfair also declares that they have no connection with Orbit customers.
On the other hand, Alfie suggested a GPDR request as a first step and secondly a serious GPDR complaint which could be an ultimate way of putting some kind of pressure on them.
I know two other guys who have been scammed the same way (BIA-Orbit- fake bets on cricket games) and I have asked them also to post under this thread their screenshots.

**acltear** · 01-08-23, 03:18 PM

@Barrakuda Can't reply to PM because post count too low. Have not done a withdrawal yet, but the KYC documents were officially verified and that is usually the hold up with these things. Will request a payout soon after I have bet for a few days. Will let you know how it goes.

**Barrakuda** · 01-08-23, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by acltear

@Barrakuda Can't reply to PM because post count too low. Have not done a withdrawal yet, but the KYC documents were officially verified and that is usually the hold up with these things. Will request a payout soon after I have bet for a few days. Will let you know how it goes.

VO seems to make you choose a country when registering a phone number, and the US is not listed..

**Barrakuda** · 01-09-23, 01:07 AM

To follow up, has anyone else successfully withdrawn from Piwi with US KYC docs?

**yellowstorm21** · 01-09-23, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by raiton

Yesterday i was "hacked" aswell. Overall i lost 6970€ on bets placed on 4 cricket games. (never placed a bet on a cricket game in my life)
BIA answered basicaly the same they wrote you.
I speak german and have already contacted the guy in the video. He says in the video, that he has 3 similar cases with BIA, where the same shit happend.

can you post some screenshots of the scam bets ?

**acltear** · 01-09-23, 12:37 PM

Update: I successfully had a withdrawal processed from VOdds via Bitcoin. Took maybe an hour. They want you to confirm by email for every deposit and withdrawal so it takes a little longer, but it shows they take security seriously. Once again, my documents are entirely american. I sent picture of my passport and a utility bill and they confirmed the documents in like 15 minutes. I use a VPN for a Canadian location.

As for the phone number, I can't remember if I said it was a Canadian or Mexican number, but I just used my phone number even though it had the wrong country code. No communication has been done via phone so far. Everything has been by email, so it hasn't come up.

Additionally, they have reached out about doing 2FA with my phone. So far, I have declined, but their email suggested that they would use Whatsapp. Curiously enough, their email indicated they would use the +1 country code for me if I were to use 2FA. So while they cannot offer the USA country code in sign up, it seems they are able to work with it later. Hope this helps.

**bookie** · 01-09-23, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by acltear

Update: I successfully had a withdrawal processed from VOdds via Bitcoin.

Appreciate the update. Sending passport and utility bill not a big deal, but it seems like KYC now so often means that proof of wealth statement or we keep your money.

**Camma23** · 01-09-23, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by bookie

Appreciate the update. Sending passport and utility bill not a big deal, but it seems like KYC now so often means that proof of wealth statement or we keep your money.

no proof of wealth for me. They asked for selfie with ID card instead

**weeminer** · 01-11-23, 03:51 PM

I moved my balance from odsy to piwi on christmas and been betting fine ever since. Haven't done any withdraws yet though. Will probably try to do one today since I have a very large balance with them.

My friend wanted to sign up with them from the US, does anyone know if they will take new US customers?

**weeminer** · 01-11-23, 03:52 PM

Oh and the site seems to be down at the moment. Any one else having trouble connecting today?

**holymoly2023** · 01-18-23, 10:28 AM

looking for betting broker

Hello everyone.I read quite a few messages here and get the impression that the forum is very high quality.I am looking for an betting like broker like BETINASIA.Is it possible to know what is the most recommended and safe to use?Thanks for the help!

**Fishhead** · 01-18-23, 11:40 PM

**acltear** · 01-19-23, 12:40 AM

Depends on if you live in the USA. Most betting brokers won't deal with US customers, though VOdds has been pretty good for me. They technically don't allow customers from US, but I use VPN to show location in Canada and they don't care.

Don't know about other brokers so much, but VOdds has their own platform where you can bet on basketball, soccer, and tennis. Basically, you click on a match, and they will show you how much money you can get down at Pinnacle, Betfair, and a number of other books and exchanges. I thought this was cool since it was a centralized place to put money down at a bunch of outs. However, only having the three sports is not great. Lucky for me, these are the sports I bet the most on.

They can also set you up with a direct account with PS3838 (Pinnacle clone), which gives you full access to everything Pinnacle offers. I had them set up an account for me, but I haven't used it yet. They can also set up a Betfair account, but that was unavailable a couple of weeks ago when I tried.

**holymoly2023** · 01-19-23, 03:25 AM

i'm live in europe.. (:

bet-football , anyone use?

or other recommnedtion?

**kursonik** · 01-19-23, 08:28 PM

Bet-Football - my number 1 for several years, fast withdrawals (Skrill/Bitcoin), good CS. After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I've never had any other trouble with them...so far...
Assianconnect - a few years with them, quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). Some time after opening an account on Orbit, they increased my commission to 6%, and when I refused, they closed my Orbit account. Later I had an account with them on the Piwi247 exchange - no surprises, no problems. I set up a new Orbit account with them a few months ago - no surprises, no problems so far. Trustworthy...for now...
BetInAsia - at the beginning with them, you need to remember that before withdrawing funds, they require three times the turnover of the new deposit at the odds of at least 1.5. Quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I had no problems with them, but if you search other topics, you will find some doubts.
Brokerstorm - I had an Orbit account with them. After about 2 years they increased my commission to 6% and after another winning month they just closed my Orbit account without giving any reason. The funds were withdrawn without problems. Withdrawals from them have always taken the longest.
PremiumTradings - I just do not recommend, high, unreasonable commissions on Bitcoin withdrawals, problems with withdrawal, you will definitely find better options like the ones above.

**Alfie White** · 01-20-23, 01:48 AM

If you want Orbit - BIA (but be VERY careful, several incidents where funds went missing happened), if you want Mollybet - Sportmarket. Others are irrelevant, imho.

**Optional** · 01-20-23, 03:36 AM

Too many reports of fake bets being placed on OrbitX accounts to clean out the balance and then zero assistance from them or Betfair to investigate it.

Blacklisted for me now.

**holymoly2023** · 01-20-23, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by kursonik

Bet-Football - my number 1 for several years, fast withdrawals (Skrill/Bitcoin), good CS. After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I've never had any other trouble with them...so far...
Assianconnect - a few years with them, quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). Some time after opening an account on Orbit, they increased my commission to 6%, and when I refused, they closed my Orbit account. Later I had an account with them on the Piwi247 exchange - no surprises, no problems. I set up a new Orbit account with them a few months ago - no surprises, no problems so far. Trustworthy...for now...
BetInAsia - at the beginning with them, you need to remember that before withdrawing funds, they require three times the turnover of the new deposit at the odds of at least 1.5. Quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I had no problems with them, but if you search other topics, you will find some doubts.
Brokerstorm - I had an Orbit account with them. After about 2 years they increased my commission to 6% and after another winning month they just closed my Orbit account without giving any reason. The funds were withdrawn without problems. Withdrawals from them have always taken the longest.
PremiumTradings - I just do not recommend, high, unreasonable commissions on Bitcoin withdrawals, problems with withdrawal, you will definitely find better options like the ones above.

hi! first tnx!
when you write that they lower liquidity.. how do you know that?

**holymoly2023** · 01-20-23, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Too many reports of fake bets being placed on OrbitX accounts to clean out the balance and then zero assistance from them or Betfair to investigate it.

Blacklisted for me now.

are you mean to orbitx or specifce broker?

**kursonik** · 01-20-23, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by holymoly2023

hi! first tnx!
when you write that they lower liquidity.. how do you know that?

In all my cases, they first opened a new account, transferred the balance, but the old account was still active and I was able to compare liquidity on both accounts apple to apple.

Also, if you keep betting on the same markets, the difference in liquidity is big enough to be noticeable right away.

**ahlem05** · 01-23-23, 11:02 AM

I have been "hacked" in Orbit too, beginning of December. 5600 Euro. I am one of the guys he is speaking about in the German youtube video. I am from Austria. Registe
red via brokerstorm. Just text me, there seem to be a lot of cases. OrbitX is not helping at all to get the money back. I also never entered a password at a phising website. I have been customer for about 10 years there, never had this problem. So let's get together and do something about it together.

Please all who were scammed contact me via PM. I cannot because I don't have 40 postinngs

**blackf1re** · 01-24-23, 08:07 AM

Sportmarket PRO are by far the best imho. I've been using them for close to a decade now and I can't say anything negative about them. Free deposits and withdrawals (one per month), no voided bets and (a very quick to respond) customer support that is available 24/7.

I've attached a screenshot showing the bookies and limits you can expect. They also offer separate Pinnacle (PS3838) and Betfair (FairExchange, 3% commision) accounts.

One thing to be aware of that Pinnacle odds are 0.02 worse on the trading platform. So you should stake directly through PS3838 instead. The only other broker I use is BetInAsia because Sportmarket only recently added the exchange and BIA also gives you 3% Betfair accounts (OrbitX) but I'm probably going to move my remaining money ver to Sportmarket.

https://tinypic.host/images/2023/01/24/sportmarket.jpg

**Namtambo** · 01-25-23, 01:32 PM

can you get limited on Sportmarket PRO if you are winning a lot?

**blackf1re** · 01-27-23, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by Namtambo

can you get limited on Sportmarket PRO if you are winning a lot?

No, they never limit you. Because they are not a bookmaker and don't take positions. They make their money on turnover.

**Optional** · 01-27-23, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by holymoly2023

are you mean to orbitx or specifce broker?

I mean Orbit Exchange

**Namtambo** · 01-27-23, 01:29 PM

Thanks ...

Originally posted by blackf1re

No, they never limit you. Because they are not a bookmaker and don't take positions. They make their money on turnover.

**yellowstorm21** · 01-28-23, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by ahlem05

I have been "hacked" in Orbit too, beginning of December. 5600 Euro. I am one of the guys he is speaking about in the German youtube video. I am from Austria. Registe
red via brokerstorm. Just text me, there seem to be a lot of cases. OrbitX is not helping at all to get the money back. I also never entered a password at a phising website. I have been customer for about 10 years there, never had this problem. So let's get together and do something about it together.

Please all who were scammed contact me via PM. I cannot because I don't have 40 postinngs

hello my friend
I have sent you a PM.

**raiton** · 01-28-23, 06:15 PM

Response of BIA has been abysmal so far. Please contact me via PM so we can work together on a solution of this.

**yellowstorm21** · 01-29-23, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by raiton

Response of BIA has been abysmal so far. Please contact me via PM so we can work together on a solution of this.

hi
I have sent you a PM.