All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[yellowstorm21]

I'm going to offer my legal opinion here because this is some poor advice. There is a contractual agreement between Betfair and OP, which is implied. Orbit is simply an agent of Betfair, whereas Betfair has the final say in decisions. Orbit cannot force Betfair to release his funds from their account. He has to go straight to them/their regulator to get any kind of traction on this. Also, Betfair knows that Orbit has thousands of customers betting through Orbit's account on Betfair.

Thank you for your post. I agree with you, about Betfair's involvement . As "Opti" suggested previously in his posts I have contacted with Betfair's live support 5 times so far, but all my requests were rejected.
Your account is registered with Orbit and as such should be dealt with directly. There is nothing we can do about this as already reported. Please contact Orbit and follow this matter up with them.
This is what I have been told so far by Betfair. Their regulators will not accept my complaint because I am not a registered customer at Betfair. Could you propose some kind of legal action against them?
Thanks again!!

[Alfie White]

I'm going to offer my legal opinion here because this is some poor advice. There is a contractual agreement between Betfair and OP, which is implied. Orbit is simply an agent of Betfair, whereas Betfair has the final say in decisions. Orbit cannot force Betfair to release his funds from their account. He has to go straight to them/their regulator to get any kind of traction on this. Also, Betfair knows that Orbit has thousands of customers betting through Orbit's account on Betfair.

Your account is registered with Orbit and as such should be dealt with directly. There is nothing we can do about this as already reported. Please contact Orbit and follow this matter up with them.
This is what I have been told so far by Betfair. Their regulators will not accept my complaint because I am not a registered customer at Betfair. Could you propose some kind of legal action against them?
Thanks again!!

Nice "leGaL oPIniOn" mate, same as if jjgold wrote it, kudos. Maybe he should go to the Palace as well, ask Charly to help him out, since bf is in London amrite?

BIA has been doing dodgy shiet in the past, nothing new from them. You need to keep pushing them for this case and post on all forums about it - public pressure is only thing that can force them to dig deeper and see what happened. From what I've read, they still haven't supplied the IPs, you can guess why.

[billax]

lay markets

hi!! i didn't know bookie city, but i'm interested on lay!
Is this a licensed company? because on their website i didnt find it somewhere.
Also, markets are powered by Betfair and liquidity is the same?

[tennis1995]

Shady Business practices by Betcoinbookies

Hello,

I registered and been reading here since I took betting more seriously a couple of years ago.
I would like to share my experience with Betcoinbookies.com with you.

So I created an Orbit account with them around the start of November and went for a 2.000,00€ deposit.
Everything went fast and well.
I then took on my betting activities on MMA, Soccer and Tennis with my main focus on Tennis as this is the sport I am making most of my money with.
Over the course of the past 16 days I bet on several markets (around 25) and scored a total profit around 2.000,00€ split across different markets.

I therefore decided today to go for a withdraw of 3.8000,00€ after not having bet the past two days.
As soon as I requested this payout, I got an email telling me "As soon as the process of bet checking is completed, you will receive your funds to the address you indicated.".
Irritated by this message as I was expecting Betfair (and not my broker) taking care of this and also scared that my business (which is mainly betting big amounts on prices in market range on smaller tennis markets) may lead to problems in the future, I started asking questions to understand why and how they are doing this. The aim behind this was ensure, my business is in good hands with Betcoinbookies.

After three or four questions from my side, I received the following message:

"Dear Mr. ...,

kindly be informed that the withdrawal process is on hold until further notice, because your bets are under investigation by the Fraud Department.


As soon as the process is completed we will keep you informed. "

Nobody was so far able to give me any information about the bets in question and the reasoning for this.
I am aware myself that I have not done anything wrong.

I will keep you guys updated about this either way - depending on how this turns out I will have to clearly tell you to avoid their business practices.

[tennis1995]

They paid me out today after no suspicious activities identified.Strange process to me, happy I got my money.

[BOWLSZN]

shoot if they accept US players might give them a spin have only used Odsyy88 in the Past

[Optional]

hi!! i didn't know bookie city, but i'm interested on lay!
Is this a licensed company? because on their website i didnt find it somewhere.
Also, markets are powered by Betfair and liquidity is the same?

read up the thread.

Not only are they not licensed, they are flying fake license information on their site.


It's a trick. Obvious scam.

[BrummyNick_]

UK / Broker / Sharp Bookies

Hi

I have searched here but not found a specific answer so hoping I am not duplicating this query...

I am limited by most bookies. I am based in the UK and would like to follow a service who are doing well with footie trebles. Bet365 was good but even they have limited me. No decent bookies left. I don't really want to use my wife's ID or children's ID so thought a broker might be the way to go. Betinasia straight away said no. Several others were the same. Even if I used a VPN, when it asks me what country I am from, UK is not an option. I am currently researching VOdds.

I have also looked into crypto bookies, but most have p*** poor reviews.

So, do brokers actually care where I am from? If I used a VPN, do I run the risk of getting my account closed and losing any deposits?

I do use Betfair, but only the sportsbook offer doubles/trebles etc, but surprise surprise, they decided to limit me. Matched betting was good, but ended up getting most of my accounts limited. Betway after just ONE bet. WTF!

There MUST be a way. Surely?

Cheers
Nick

[yellowstorm21]

Let me share with you the latest update concerning my case
I received this email from my bet agents BetInAsia after I have asked them to reinvestigate my case.

The whole investigation has been reviewed by our related department, and their confirmation is still based on the previous conclusion that no funds were received and the bets were in line.

We have pushed the departments, but the final outcome is based on the permanent confirmation that no further action can be done for this case.

With great sadness, we inform you that we cannot change nor affect this decision.

However, after 2 months of several requests they have never provided me the list with the IPs which logged in to my Orbit account on the 24th of September. Neither they have explained what they mean by saying that "bets were in line", especially when there is this huge odds disparity in how this bet is displayed, as you can see in the previous screenshots. How can they exclude that no fund passing happened? In my next post I will upload a conversation I had via live chat with one of BIA's agent, where you will see that they contradict themselves in almost everything they have told me so far.
For the time being, it seems that I have run out of choices. BIA hardly answers to my requests, Orbit's license provider also never answered to my email and the ADR services which I have turned to for help (IBAS, eCOGRA, curacao egaming) stated that they do not provide services for Orbit customers and they cannot help because I am not a Betfair customer. The amount stolen from my account is quite big and I do not wish to give up on this case, because I feel that I didn't do anything wrong or acted carelessly. Which could be my next move do you think? At least does anyone believe that there is a way to force Orbit and BIA to reply to my requests about the IP list and the huge odd disparity?
Thank you guys and sorry for my long post.

[Foosball Champ]

As far as know this a phenomena exclusive to BIA. It was in my case of employee embezzlement couple of years ago. BIA seemed to be aware the situation even before i contacted them.

[infotimbo]

The amount stolen from my account is quite big and I do not wish to give up on this case, because I feel that I didn't do anything wrong or acted carelessly. Which could be my next move do you think?

you could try to contact a lawyer in Curacao (as that's where both BiA as well as Orbit are licensed). It's a difficult case, to be honest, so no idea what it would lead to, but maybe it's worth a shot.

For example https://lms-advocaten.com/en/lms-cur...aming-lawyers/

He was able to help me in the past when I was scammed by a bookie

[yellowstorm21]

As far as know this a phenomena exclusive to BIA. It was in my case of employee embezzlement couple of years ago. BIA seemed to be aware the situation even before i contacted them.

thanks for your reply
so, in your case BIA admitted that the scam was caused by one of their employees? in my case, they shift the blame on Orbit's side for not protecting their customer's accounts. you also had a fake bet put on your Orbit account?

[billax]

hello Optional,

thank you for your useful advise, i will keep playing with my Winfair24 account and if you find something exceptional please let me know!

[bookie]

SportOdyssey Closes, Acquired by PIWI247

Here's the email:

Dear Ma'am/Sir,


We regret to let you know that as a result of a change of Management on our end, SportOdyssey88 will be closing its service for all customers since it has been acquired by PIWI247 – one of the leading online betting services.

Piwi247 welcomes you to make use and enjoy their service (www.piwi247.com). It’s a platform wherein you could access three (3) products with the use of a single account. The products mentioned are Pinnacle, Casino, and an Exchange Platform. They also offer a variety of payment options that you can use (Skrill, Neteller and Bitcoin.)


Moving forward, you may opt to withdraw your remaining funds or you may still continue to bet and play using your Sportodyssey88 accounts until 25th of December, 2022 and afterward, all accounts will be suspended or closed. By 26th of December, 2022 all remaining accounts with balances shall be automatically moved to PIWI247.


Should you have further concerns or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact us.

[kursonik]

... and if you're the US resident don't wait until 25th of December, because PIWI does not accept US customers ...

[70'sMan]

Just another day in paradise.

[Camma23]

received too. What do you think about piwi? Anybody have a feedback from them? I've never played with them, and I was fine with Odyssey so far. What to expect?

[tennis1995]

Received as well.
As a consequence, wanted to withdraw my money now - "unfortunately this is currently not possible due to a blockchain issue on our end".
Somebody else received the same information when trying to withdraw?
It is type of getting shady... They have been so good so far. Will keep you updated about the progress of my request.

[EasyTiger]

Received as well.
As a consequence, wanted to withdraw my money now - "unfortunately this is currently not possible due to a blockchain issue on our end".
Somebody else received the same information when trying to withdraw?
It is type of getting shady... They have been so good so far. Will keep you updated about the progress of my request.

I received the same response when I made a withdrawal a few months ago. They eventually paid, but it took some persistence on my end.

[tennis1995]

Day two of "we are experiencing technical difficulties with our blockchain".
Seems like 24 hours did not help to solve this issue.

To me it is an absolute insolence to close your business and basically at the same time announce that you are having issues which do not allow any of your customers to withdraw their money.
As a consequence, said to them and will not place any more bet through my Orbit account with them until I got my money.

Keeping you guys updated regarding my progress - is somebody else experiencing the same problem?

[Poisec]

I don't get it, I thought Piwi were the same guys as Asian connect, they are acquiring sportodyssey who are on exactly the same business model, it doesn't add anything to the table

[tennis1995]

Day two of "we are experiencing technical difficulties with our blockchain".
Seems like 24 hours did not help to solve this issue.

To me it is an absolute insolence to close your business and basically at the same time announce that you are having issues which do not allow any of your customers to withdraw their money.
As a consequence, said to them and will not place any more bet through my Orbit account with them until I got my money.

Keeping you guys updated regarding my progress - is somebody else experiencing the same problem?

Alright so now as the Blockchain seems to be back up they are asking me for KYC which will take between 3-5 days!!
That is just insane being honest with you.

Big red flag, they are trying to buy time for whatever reason. They could have let me known about the necessary KYC already yesterday morning when I told them I was going to withdraw my money to speed up the process.

[kursonik]

The answer for me is "we are having technical difficulties logging into our Bitcoin wallet"

[Poisec]

The answer for me is "we are having technical difficulties logging into our Bitcoin wallet"

Lol. Sounds like they had an account with FTX.

[tennis1995]

Day three in my case of trying to get my money.
KYC still to be completed despite 24 hours have passed now.

[Alfie White]

That's what happens when you use circus outlets with 0 licensing and trustworthiness.

[tennis1995]

That's what happens when you use circus outlets with 0 licensing and trustworthiness.

This post really helps at this point, thank you!

[jjgold]

Stay away from these places

[tennis1995]

Got my money paid out today after getting in touch with their account manager (Bianca Morries) through Telegram.
She took care of the KYC as fast as possible and I got paid my low five figure amount just right after the KYC process was confirmed by her.

Really have to give credit to her, once I got in touch with her she really took fast care of business.

[70'sMan]

Got my money paid out today after getting in touch with their account manager (Bianca Morries) through Telegram.
She took care of the KYC as fast as possible and I got paid my low five figure amount just right after the KYC process was confirmed by her.

Really have to give credit to her, once I got in touch with her she really took fast care of business.

Bianca is great. I will really miss her.

[kursonik]

After exchanging 20 emails back and forth, 3 times their "blockchain wallet stopped working", but they finally paid me my balance, even without KYC.
Probably because it was a low four-figure balance.

They're clearly playing a dirty game. But why?

If they have the money and are going to pay like me and @tennis1995, then why all this mess and lies? One excludes the other in my opinion.
If they don't have money for everyone, they'll just pay some and close the business. And what will you do to them?
Either way, their reputation suffers and the reputation of Piwi247 that took them over.

Another question - what is Piwi247's reputation now?
What is your experience with Piwi247 via Asianconnect?

[Moneygreen]

I just withdraw my balance now and it was processed fast.
Odsy88 has been good on my end ever since i've used their service.
Few months ago I had a complaint about wrong settlement of bet on my ps3838 account and they helped me.
Maybe we should not judge them first. For me, no service is perfect.
There was a delayed but the important thing is they pay their customer in the end

[Moneygreen]

After exchanging 20 emails back and forth, 3 times their "blockchain wallet stopped working", but they finally paid me my balance, even without KYC.
Probably because it was a low four-figure balance.

They're clearly playing a dirty game. But why?

If they have the money and are going to pay like me and @tennis1995, then why all this mess and lies? One excludes the other in my opinion.
If they don't have money for everyone, they'll just pay some and close the business. And what will you do to them?
Either way, their reputation suffers and the reputation of Piwi247 that took them over.

Another question - what is Piwi247's reputation now?
What is your experience with Piwi247 via Asianconnect?

I have an account with Piwi247 directly, not via Asianconnect but i stopped using them for a while since I took a break on betting due to pandemic. I havent use them again ever since i'm back. But I like odsy88 customer service more than them

[kursonik]

I presented the facts and my opinion. That's what this forum is for.
They played a dirty game with me and that's a red flag.When they paid me my money, I also wrote about it - that's what this forum is for, so others can form their opinion.
If you haven't had any problems with them - good for you, good to know, but now it's more important how CS Piwi247 will work.

[Moneygreen]

I presented the facts and my opinion. That's what this forum is for.
They played a dirty game with me and that's a red flag.When they paid me my money, I also wrote about it - that's what this forum is for, so others can form their opinion.
If you haven't had any problems with them - good for you, good to know, but now it's more important how CS Piwi247 will work.

I asked odsy88 if they will be moving to Piwi247, they said Yes. They will be working with Piwi247 and that is a good news for me.

Yes, If we can update this forum so everyone will be aware. ��