All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[Optional]

If there is a good lawyer who can support us, i would be there immediately. This sh** has to stop.

Start with Betfair.

If they hear the same story often enough eventually the hammer will fall on OrbitX to address this properly.

[Optional]

would be interesting to know indeed, and also what exactly "recently" means. Personally I hadn't seen complaints anymore since 2FA was introduced

edit: just saw on another forum that this happened at the end of October, so very recently, and also found a French tweet reporting the same from 2 weeks ago.

Complaints have not stopped.

Once again 2FA is simply being used to shift blame on to customers. And showing how it does not even protect people. Just need an insider to steal and use the "you had 2FA enabled so its impossible for anyone to hack in unless its your own fault now" excuse, and your EFFED!


2FA is a total scam. Don't use companies who force you to use that crap. Being forced = being used as an excuse for their own security problems.

[Optional]

I wonder if any cases of fraud on Orbitxch accounts have occurred on accounts with Two-Factor Authentication login

Yes, they say to users that they know it's their own fault fake bets were placed, as they had 2FA enabled.


2FA is used to scam you and avoid responsibility by bad companies.

[infotimbo]

Yes, they say to users that they know it's their own fault fake bets were placed, as they had 2FA enabled.

where exactly have you read that? Please post more details about that case, if available.

[Optional]

I've been told that first hand from victims.

[infotimbo]

I've been told that first hand from victims.

it's the first this comes up, so would be good if those people could post a bit more about it.

If this is indeed the case, it basically would mean that the theft is happening at Orbit Exchange directly. The agents may have the logins, but normally wouldn't be able to access the accounts with 2FA activated.

Nonetheless, they are still to blame for the lack of cooperation, of course. Same as Betfair, who could figure out who the money is passed to within 2 minutes - if they wanted to.

[infotimbo]

In general, I don't agree that 2FA is useless, by the way. Getting hold of user data is fairly easy: fake login pages (in Orbit's case they even buy the top search results on Google), inside jobs, leaks from other sites, etc. Most people use the same credentials at all bookies anyway.

In a perfect world, sites would automatically block access, but as this is not the case, 2FA can at least somewhat protect you against all of this. Hacking the phone is a different level.

So to get around 2FA, I'd think it either needs a really badly designed website, or its operator to be involved in the fraud.

[Dani83]

Hello,

Betfair says they can't help as they don't have any customer data.
You should contact the broker. Always the same crap........

Start with Betfair.

If they hear the same story often enough eventually the hammer will fall on OrbitX to address this properly.

[Optional]

Hello,

Betfair says they can't help as they don't have any customer data.
You should contact the broker. Always the same crap........

That's not correct. People have given them the account ID from Orbit and been identified by that before.

But good on you for asking anyway.

I hope Betfair eventually gets hammered by authorities for using Orbit as their front that allows customers to be scammed without recourse over and again.

[arie1985]

I hope Betfair eventually gets hammered by authorities for using Orbit as their front that allows customers to be scammed without recourse over and again.

Optional is right in a certain way, this could be taken straight against BetFair without having to use Curacao.

If there is a good lawyer who can support us, i would be there immediately. This sh** has to stop.

One or more of you need to gather everyone together, online, grab details and then start shooting emails to "Gambling UK Solicitors" you find on Google, could be a short email such as:

Title = Class action against BetFair

Text = Hello, I'm reaching out on behalf of XX users affected by BetFair.
We would like to do this, this and that.
We'd be happy to work on a "no win no fee" basis, the potential for your firm is huge, so would appreciate your consideration.

And then move forward with whoever replies to you, some lawyers would be extremely happy to take on this case, it's just a matter of being active.

[hawkwind]

Thx for the update.

[SheSMySin]

There are multiple betting brokers, especially for EU customers I have seen:
BetInAsia
Sportmarket
3ET
Asianconnect
PremiumTrading

Are these brokers reliable, any recommendations, which brokers are the best and most trustworthy? I am probably missing some brokers in the list that could be worth trying?

I have tried BetInAsia and Sportmarket, everything gone smoothly so far after a month, but I am kind of worried still, feels there is very little to do if issues arise. There is so many scams nowadays in the field especially with Curacao or similar licenses.
I guess these are more or less safe to use but would not keep any extra balance on them. That said, they have 1 withdraw per month policy, to avoid too much back and forth transactions which is understandable given the transaction fees.

[Gaddamnit]

Do you have a particular product that you are looking for, for a broker?

[Gaddamnit]

Best orbitx exchange provider

Hello mates

just want to know which broker provides the best service who provides orbitx. I know a lot of broker provides this exchange but as i know they have differences when it comes to processing of payout, exposure limit, customer service etc.

any insight is highly appreciated

[Gaddamnit]

Broker that provides best service for Orbitx

Hello mates,

just want to know which broker provides the best service who provides orbitx. I know a lot of broker provides this exchange but as i know they have differences when it comes to processing of payout, exposure limit, customer service etc.

any insight is highly appreciated

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[SheSMySin]

Looking to bet NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB.

It seems at least BetInAsia offer a tiny cashback promotion on turnover, is this just for a while for new customers/long term losers ? Or is more common that other brokers offers some benefits as well. They do have a bit higher fees, like Betfair is 3% when it normally is 2%.

[Gaddamnit]

Have you also heard about bookielink and betfootball?
one of my friend mentioned those to me. Seems they offer various products as well based on their website

[Gaddamnit]

Collecting ideas for these brokers

Hello mate, for my additional resources any ideas and insights based from your experiences would highly appreciated. What do you think of them

Betfootball
ac88
bookielink
betac
bia

also i’m looking for exchange where i can lay bet particularly in horse racing. If you have any suggestion let me know i’m from canada

[Optional]

Can you still lay horses at those ones you mentioned?

I am thinking no broker interfaces allow horse laying these days.

[Gaddamnit]

I did a lit background for myself, from those mentioned above bookielink only offers an exchange
where can lay bets on horse racing named oddslay. As what i was informed it was
a betdaq software. But I am still think if it safe to open an account or if they accept canadian citizen

Can you still lay horses at those ones you mentioned?

I am thinking no broker interfaces allow horse laying these days.

[mla]

Questions on SportMarket

I am confused about the SportMarket broker.

I was under the impression that SportMarket would provide all the betfair matches, liquidity and odds either through Fair or through MollyBet. I thought that MollyBeat would be a pass through to Betfair.
However I see some Tennis Double matches on Betfair when logged on Betfair directly that I do not see on SportMarket. I contacted the support and got the following response:

"After consulting with our software provider, we have been informed that we only offer doubles for Grand Slam events."
I would appreciate any help in understanding SportMarket, MollyBet and Betfair and how they work together. I thought that the value prop for SportMarket was to provide access to all what there is on Betfair and more (BetDaq, SportsBooks, etc...) and I thought that they had a direct connection to Betfair (called Fair) or that they were using Mollybet for that.

See image enclosed Thank you for your help

[Optional]

[infotimbo]

"molly" is their own betting exchange, where Sportsmarket Pro users (or Mollybet, etc) can bet against each other. There's usually hardly any action at all (yet - maybe it will improve).

"Fair" just grabs the odds available on Betfair, but it's not possible to add bets to the market yourself anymore. This has been replaced by the molly exchange.

Most markets of interest are available, but some are not, and there's not much you can do about it. It is as it is.

[mla]

Thank you for your response and the clarification.

So if i understand properly, Molly is 2 things: 1) a platform and 2) an exchange. Sportmarket is build on top of Molly the platform. And on the Molly platform, we can find bdak, pin88, molly exchange, etc...

Does Molly provide the betfair odds as a separate pool of liquidity then?

[simply]

Orbit exchange changed my stake after the end of match and steal money

Hello guys,
This issue happened during and after CL match Leipzig - Real Madrid. Initially, I placed a 1000 eur back bet on Leipzig after they scored early in 2nd minute(had the intention to try to trade for a couple of ticks ). However the goal was disallowed, and the market cleared after var confirmed decision. My bet wasn't fully matched (only 800/1000 was matched). I expected that the bet would be then fully canceled because similar situations happened many times before when the goal was disallowed by var, and bets placed between the goal and var decision were canceled. So I didn't trade out expecting that the initial bet would be canceled.
I waited until the end of the match because it is stated in their rules, that they usually fix this in a couple of minutes, but sometimes they fix that after the end of the game. (happened to me before)
I contacted Betinasia after the end of the match and sent them a screenshot of my bet, asking why is not canceled. (The bet wasn't settled yet)
During live chat conversation, orbit settled the bet, and believe it or not, my partially matched bet (800/1000) wasn't canceled but somehow became fully matched. My account became shorter for 1000 euros.

Then I asked for explanations as to why the bet was not canceled and how became fully matched after the end of the match.
For the first response, I waited 7 days(but I had to request a response almost every day until they finally responded ) and they explained that the goal was disallowed on the field and VAR confirmed that, so no cancelation of the bet in that case. This exact case is not described in orbit rules, so obviously they can decide whatever they want in this situation. Another thing is their live score above markets showed 1-0 and market odds reflected that until var decided to disallow the goal. Markets were livelily traded, and thousands were matched until Var confirmed the decision. Although the goal was disallowed on the field they put a score 1-0, and after the var decision, they suspended the market and returned the score to 0-0. For example, Pinnacle cancels all bets in cases when the wrong score is displayed.

Then I asked again for an explanation about editing my bet after the end of the match and again waited for 7 days. From the entire start of the conversation, they didn't say a single word about that, and that remained until the end. Finally, orbit said that after careful consideration, the bet would not be resettled. hahaha, what a scammers.
So they can edit your bet and depending on the final score you can lose even more than is possible. Also, you will get no explanation.
The other thing is their level of disrespecting players. I waited 14 days and got no word of explanation. I have a feeling that they would never respond if I wasn't so persistent. My explanation is that my money ended up in their pockets, and they haven't any intention to return.
Betinasia expressed their hope that this won't occur once more. (I understand this as Betinasia hopes that Orbit will stop their scamming activities, but there is no guarantee)
I removed all my money from orbit and stopped using their platform, and that is my recommendation to all of you guys, since there are too many complaints here on the forum also.

As I know Curacao gambling commission is useless here, so I guess I can't complain anywhere?
Is there any other betfair clone with different broker, that can be recommended?
Thanks.

[Alfie White]

You complain about OrbitX via StealinAsia? Do you know water is wet?

They are well known to avoid answering tricky questions and being in bed with OrbitX shafting their customers.

[Optional]

I am sorry to hear yet another person has been treated this way by Betinasia and OrbitX

The owner of Betinasia is "shocked" that anyone thinks they are not to be trusted. Check this thread;

Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

[simply]

You complain about OrbitX via StealinAsia? Do you know water is wet?

They are well known to avoid answering tricky questions and being in bed with OrbitX shafting their customers.

Yeah, I wasn't fully aware of that, but now I paid for that lesson.

[simply]

I am sorry to hear yet another person has been treated this way by Betinasia and OrbitX

The owner of Betinasia is "shocked" that anyone thinks they are not to be trusted. Check this thread;

Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

Yes checked already before posting. Their reputation just continue to degrade.

[RM95]

Sportmarket is already starting to not pay out winnings and is canceling winning bets, even on BIG markets!!!

[MalikHusam]

Which state you in?

[SheSMySin]

Was able to withdraw 100k in 3 days so feels fine. They re-asked all the common ID/address verification but that was fine.

I think there is always some risk on a operator that has Curacao/Kahnawake/similar license. But so far Sportmarket has been very good for me. I have not used the Mollybet side.

[jamesrav]

Orbit liquidity

Does anyone know who provides the Lay bets for horse races on Orbit? Is it Orbit themselves or AsianConnect & BetInAsia and other brokers? Or unknown 3rd parties that have that privilege? The players (like me) can only make Back bets, not Lay, so some group(s) seemingly has a monopoly on the (no doubt profitable) Lay part.

In-Play betting on horse races moves very fast, offered payouts change every millisecond on every horse, so it must be done by computer. Yet Orbit (unlike Betfair , which 'powers' Orbit) forbids players from using bots or AI. Betfair has the motto "We Like Winners", since they like Orbit get a commission on every player win. So does Orbit make money on both ends, by Laying and also the commissions on winning player bets? Or do they rely on other Asia-based betting syndicates to provide the Lay bets? I might ask AsianConnect, but am a bit worried they'll consider me too inquisitive lol

EDIT: I did find some relevant posts elsewhere on the web, the consensus seems to be that AsianConnect and BetInAsia are providing 'their share' of liquidity as compared to Betfair itself (often 5x or 10x the BF liquidity). One guy even said he was an agent, and that each agent can set their risk vs. every client. But does that imply that multiple agents (how many does AsianConnect have?) , each with a low risk towards an individual client, won't really care if they lose a small amount ; success then against many agents wouldn't cause an issue? At some point an agent will drop that client totally, and liquidity available will go down? eventually to zero if you could 'beat' every agent? I'm just thinking hypothetically here ... could someone with enough skill turn $100 deposit into $10,000 or would you get limited to zero or asked to leave well before that?

[arie1985]

Does anyone know who provides the Lay bets for horse races on Orbit? Is it Orbit themselves or AsianConnect & BetInAsia and other brokers? Or unknown 3rd parties that have that privilege? The players (like me) can only make Back bets, not Lay, so some group(s) seemingly has a monopoly on the (no doubt profitable) Lay part.

BookieCity.com
I used them in the past, they are quite solid. They used to use a product called OddsWar.com but they closed it and now they're using their own product BookieCityExch.com where you can lay bets on horse racings, including in live betting.

It works perfectly fine, however,

could someone with enough skill turn $100 deposit into $10,000 or would you get limited to zero or asked to leave well before that?

I have never personally turned $100 into $10,000 but I won and lost with them many times, sometimes I got $1000 to $3000 or so - I had 0 problems withdrawing that.

I don't think they have any issues and their chat is online around the clock, from 1am CST until 5pm CST, they always respond fast, I really had 0 troubles with them and can vouch for them if you're looking to lay. I agree they don't have many reviews. In fact I was searching on Google for "BookieCity Review" and found only this which is still not 100% convincing:

https://gamblingfreebies.com/2022/10/03/how-to-place-lay-bets-on-horse-races-in-2023/

All other results seem to be referring to something else, the name itself is problematic when you search for reviews on Google.

However what I found is from a year ago so they seem to be in business for quite a while. I can't give you further guarantees other than my own experience. The other option is to ask optional here for his opinion, but I can honestly say I trust them, without getting anything in return for saying it, other than risking it with my own name here.

Regarding API etc. use of bots - no clue, feel free to ask them and update here what they say.

Last thing I forgot to mention, I could use their own product from the US, with a US IP, no need to use a VPN which is a big plus.

[jamesrav]

that's pretty interesting, my intent has never been to offer Lay bets but someone(s) seems to enjoy doing it on Orbit (I could do it on Betfair since I live in Mexico and have an account, but prefer rooting for a horse to win rather than lose).

Regarding Orbit, I think I understand it now: the player makes a deposit, the AsianConnect & BetInAsia agents themselves all offer up Lay bets (with a little liquidity put up by Betfair itself), and if the player loses his initial deposit the agents are happy and Orbit is happy since they made 3% commission on the wins that occurred. If the player can increase his bankroll, Orbit is still happy, the individual agents are unhappy to some extent but not enough to warrant a ban. If the player is really good, Orbit has made a lot in commissions, the agents all disassociate themselves from the player, and the player essentially has no options for betting and leaves. So the large liquidity I am personally seeing somewhat reflects the fact that agents think I'm a square and are tempting me (and others like me) to bet big . Like someone said: if you can make money on Orbit, enjoy it while it lasts.