Corey up to no good again, this time at Heritage. Hits 2 Royals and is owed 43K

[MonkeyF0cker]

Perhaps, but Heritage has offered to give the winnings to charity so who really gets hurt by all this? Right that would be Cory who initiated the cheating in the first place.

Yeah. Heritage offered to give Cory's winnings to charity. How charitable. LMAO. In other words... IT'S STILL A FREEROLL!!!!!!!!! Let's even ignore the fact that the offer to charity wasn't offered until a great deal of forum scrutiny.

Of course, the book wasn't CHEATING by booting a player. The book doesn't CHEAT when it kicks out advantage players or anything. The book didn't CHEAT when it kicked out a LOSING player. It's COMPLETELY MORAL to target and profit AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE from long term losing gamblers. GTFOH.

[MonkeyF0cker]

It's actually not that hard. Thought it was until a certain someone who posts here *quite* frequently managed to get into multiple Asian, UK and Aussie books. Took him a few hours of Googling and he got what he needed. I was stunned that it all worked but it has and he even now has cards from one of those countries ie the one I live in. Seriously it's way easier than I ever thought possible especially now with those hire an assistant type companies.

And how does that person get their money out?

[shari91]

And how does that person get their money out?

From the cards I was talking about.

ATM/c c cards work anywhere obviously.

That's what I'm saying. He has a set up here and in the UK exactly as I do. And I'm a resident! Asia I have nothing other than normal Aussie resident playing there and he's got a local bank account. So you just use an ATM card from anywhere in the world. Our books deposit straight to our bank accounts if you choose that option. Which is what I'm always blabbing about - request by 10am, in bank account by 12:01am ready for withdrawal at ATM, etc. That was my point - I don't think it's as hard as it once was any more.

[shari91]

And I should add the withdrawal part is not hypothetical... he has done it several times from a few books across various continents. All through the ATM card.

[MonkeyF0cker]

These are all in other people's names? WTF kind of banks do you have in Oz?

[MonkeyF0cker]

The accounts are not really under other people's/fictitious names. Are they, Shari?

In other words, bearding isn't really THAT easy after all.

[TheCentaur]

Any book that deals dual lines cannot be trusted.

I also find it extremely hippocritical that a book can demand tons and tons of verification for every question they can dream up, can quote fine print on the 4th page from some link, but if any of them set foot on US soil they go straight to jail.

[shari91]

The accounts are not really under other people's/fictitious names. Are they, Shari?

No. All in his name I think but there might be variations for all I know. I can check though to see but I can't see why he'd bother. And it's not just here. UK and Hong Kong for sure.

But that was my point... ID showing residences' in multiple countries, managed to get bank accounts opened, c cards issued, lease and utility docs 'proving' his identity to pass companies as strict as 365, etc. No matter what name you want, it's not hard to get now. I never would've believed it before watching him step by step although I'm sure you know most of this already anyway. I know he even has a driver's licence but I can't remember from where. So that's kind of my point. At what time is a book allowed to say 'yeah we banned you on xxx date, gtfo'?? Or should they always just pay up and hope to catch him the next, 10th, 20th time he comes back? In his case he's not originally banned. He just shouldn't be playing there as per their country restrictions. It's probably a bit why you and I see differently on this one. There are smart ways to dodge a book. You still risk getting caught but you have a better chance. If you're silly enough to get caught yet think you're smart enough to have an edge/are a degen then I don't have much pity for you.

Either way, you know how I feel about you and your opinion. Doesn't matter if we agree or not, I always appreciate hearing it as it always makes me consider stuff more. I just think some of us outside the US are probably used to a much different standard so it's always good to hear differing sides. xo

[HedgeHog]

Yeah. Heritage offered to give Cory's winnings to charity. How charitable. LMAO. In other words... IT'S STILL A FREEROLL!!!!!!!!! Let's even ignore the fact that the offer to charity wasn't offered until a great deal of forum scrutiny.

Of course, the book wasn't CHEATING by booting a player. The book doesn't CHEAT when it kicks out advantage players or anything. The book didn't CHEAT when it kicked out a LOSING player. It's COMPLETELY MORAL to target and profit AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE from long term losing gamblers. GTFOH.

Don't play the MORAL card against Heritage in a case involving Cory. He initiated the cheating and got what he desrves. No way he profits from it.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Don't play the MORAL card against Heritage in a case involving Cory. He initiated the cheating and got what he desrves. No way he profits from it.

Cheating refers to an immoral way of achieving a goal. (source: wikipedia).

LMAO. Ok. So, it's only immoral if it's Cory. Good to see you're being reasonable.

[MonkeyF0cker]

No. All in his name I think but there might be variations for all I know. I can check though to see but I can't see why he'd bother. And it's not just here. UK and Hong Kong for sure.

But that was my point... ID showing residences' in multiple countries, managed to get bank accounts opened, c cards issued, lease and utility docs 'proving' his identity to pass companies as strict as 365, etc. No matter what name you want, it's not hard to get now. I never would've believed it before watching him step by step although I'm sure you know most of this already anyway. I know he even has a driver's licence but I can't remember from where. So that's kind of my point. At what time is a book allowed to say 'yeah we banned you on xxx date, gtfo'?? Or should they always just pay up and hope to catch him the next, 10th, 20th time he comes back? In his case he's not originally banned. He just shouldn't be playing there as per their country restrictions. It's probably a bit why you and I see differently on this one. There are smart ways to dodge a book. You still risk getting caught but you have a better chance. If you're silly enough to get caught yet think you're smart enough to have an edge/are a degen then I don't have much pity for you.

Either way, you know how I feel about you and your opinion. Doesn't matter if we agree or not, I always appreciate hearing it as it always makes me consider stuff more. I just think some of us outside the US are probably used to a much different standard so it's always good to hear differing sides. xo

Using your own name is not bearding, Shari. Using someone else's name to accomplish what you've stated is probably breaking quite a few serious laws - something far beyond some arbitrary sportsbook rules.

[raiders72001]

The accounts are not really under other people's/fictitious names. Are they, Shari?

In other words, bearding isn't really THAT easy after all.

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09-12-2012, 08:27 PM

durito Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,816

Re: Details of Cory's scams What does being kicked out of other books have to do with anything? Any advantage player has been kicked out of most every book (probably several times each).

[raiders72001]

Using your own name is not bearding, Shari. Using someone else's name to accomplish what you've stated is probably breaking quite a few serious laws - something far beyond some arbitrary sportsbook rules.

Vegas is different than offshore.

[MonkeyF0cker]

That explains the ease of bearding. Right? But you guys were just saying how it's ENDLESS. Now we're only talking about several times? LOL.

Unreal.

[HedgeHog]

LMAO. Ok. So, it's only immoral if it's Cory. Good to see you're being reasonable.

Didn't say that MonkeyFukker--I implied it was odd that you argue morality in a case that involves Cory. Simple question....who intentionally broke the rules (ie cheated) and created this whole mess? And you want to reward him?

[shari91]

Using your own name is not bearding, Shari. Using someone else's name to accomplish what you've stated is probably breaking quite a few serious laws - something far beyond some arbitrary sportsbook rules.

My response was to your questioning raiders if he was a professional at creating fake IDs and utility bills. If someone can pass the KYC of multiple books that are notorious for being more strict than any offshore book could hope to be and then use their fake bank accounts to withdraw from those books in the US, than yeah, it's not that difficult. Takes a couple of hrs but it's not hard if you google the right words.

[MonkeyF0cker]

My response was to your questioning raiders if he was a professional at creating fake IDs and utility bills. If someone can pass the KYC of multiple books that are more strict than any offshore book could hope to be and then use their fake bank accounts to withdraw from those books in the US, than yeah, it's not difficult.

What fake bank account? It's an entirely different story when you're talking about a DIFFERENT identity rather than your own.

[raiders72001]

Using your own name is not bearding, Shari. Using someone else's name to accomplish what you've stated is probably breaking quite a few serious laws - something far beyond some arbitrary sportsbook rules.

what laws? Is a sportsbook in Costa Rica going to file charges in a court in the US. Are they going to file in Costa Rica? If you are found guilty in CR will you be extradited from the US to CR?

[shari91]

What fake bank account? It's an entirely different story when you're talking about a DIFFERENT identity rather than your own.

Fake bank account as in - opened under the pretense that the person lives in the country where the bank operates.

Same guy's name as on his US birth certificate. Just doesn't happen to live in Oz or the UK or Asia. But his utility bills say he does. Maybe even his drivers licence.

[MonkeyF0cker]

what laws? Is a sportsbook in Costa Rica going to file charges in a court in the US. Are they going to file in Costa Rica? If you are found guilty in CR will you be extradited from the US to CR?

I'm surprised a lawyer like yourself isn't aware of the FBI's involvement in carding and other international online banking crimes.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Fake bank account as in - opened under the pretense that the person lives in the country where the bank operates.

Same guy's name as on his US birth certificate. Just doesn't happen to live in Oz or the UK or Asia. But his utility bills say he does. Maybe even his drivers licence.

Right. You're not talking about an account with OTHER people's names on them. It's a completely different story.

You can't exactly beard in as yourself.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Didn't say that MonkeyFukker--I implied it was odd that you argue morality in a case that involves Cory. Simple question....who intentionally broke the rules (ie cheated) and created this whole mess? And you want to reward him?

This isn't about HIM - as much as you want it to be.

I don't give a shit about Cory.

The book involved is just as guilty of CHEATING - according to your definition. In fact, by booting him, they were the first to CHEAT.

[shari91]

Right. You're not talking about an account with OTHER people's names on them. It's a completely different story.

You can't exactly beard in as yourself.

Again - I was responding to your comment to Raiders as to how easy/not easy it is to procure fake ID. It's extremely easy even under someone else's name. ID that will pass you by even the strictest books. You already know that. Either way I don't agree with what I *think* your standard is: Books should pay any bet as it's their fault for not catching people who are banned from playing with them. I'll never agree with that. Never. If that's the case then we may as well remove the word banned from any gambler's vocab. However my opinion means jack obviously so we'll just have to see how it plays out

[HedgeHog]

This isn't about HIM - as much as you want it to be.

I don't give a shit about Cory.

The book involved is just as guilty of CHEATING - according to your definition. In fact, by booting him, they were the first to CHEAT.

That's just stupid. Books can choose to do business with whomever they want--it's their fundamental right. It's their business, and if you fail to grasp this point there's no sense discussing the matter further.

[boatboatboat]

Heritage is a private owned Bizz, they didnt want to do bizz with Cory and told him so. He snuck in anyhow.

F Cory.

Maybe this time he will finaly learn.

[sharpcat]

Fake bank account as in - opened under the pretense that the person lives in the country where the bank operates.

Same guy's name as on his US birth certificate. Just doesn't happen to live in Oz or the UK or Asia. But his utility bills say he does. Maybe even his drivers licence.

So HSBC commits fraud every time they assist one of their customers in opening a bank account in another country?

WTF does establishing residency and a bank account in another country have to do with identity fraud?

[shari91]

So HSBC commits fraud every time they assist one of their customers in opening a bank account in another country?

WTF does establishing residency and a bank account in another country have to do with identity fraud?

Did you even follow the last page? I know you always look for a reason to troll me but try to follow along kid.

Seriously it's getting sad now.

Recap for those who are unaware:

sharpcat got temporarily banned from here

sharpcat ran to another forum and called me horrible names assuming I banned him

sharpcat was told by durito and then by myself he was wrong

sharpcat embarrassed himself further for a few posts at that forum and then disappeared forever

sharpcat has now returned to repeatedly to do this across multiple threads....

Great job buddy!!

[sharpcat]

Did you even follow the last page? I know you always look for a reason to troll me but try to follow along kid.

Seriously it's getting sad now.

Recap for those who are unaware:

sharpcat got temporarily banned from here

sharpcat ran to another forum and called me horrible names assuming I banned him

sharpcat was told by durito and then by myself he was wrong

sharpcat embarrassed himself further for a few posts at that forum and then disappeared forever

sharpcat has now returned to repeatedly to do this....

Great job buddy!!

I did follow
You made a pathetic attempt to compare establishing residency and opening a bank account in another country to using false identification to access an establishment that you have been banned from.

News flash Shari91 it is not illegal in any way to have residency or a bank account in other countries.........and all that books like Bet365 request is that you have residency and a bank account in a country where you are allowed to play.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah. Yeah. It's the FUNDAMENTAL right of sportsbooks to prey on ONLY losing, degenerate gamblers. I keep forgetting why players would actually support that. Probably for the same reason they continually lose money and keep gambling. They aren't too bright.

It's exactly that logic that helps to prevent any traction in the United States for allowing offshore sportsbetting.

Books don't get to make their own rules in Vegas. They don't get to cancel wagers after they've been accepted. They don't get to deny paying out a possible beard. They don't get a chance to freeroll players.

But it's not only perfectly acceptable to players here, it's actually encouraged by some. It's hilariously pathetic.

[sharpcat]

Yeah. Yeah. It's the fundamental right of sportsbooks to prey on losing, degenerate gamblers. I keep forgetting why players would actually support that. Probably for the same reason they continually lose money and keep gambling. They aren't too bright.

It's exactly that logic that helps to prevent any traction in the United States for allowing offshore sportsbetting.

Books don't get to make their own rules in Vegas. They don't get to cancel wagers after they've been accepted. They don't get to deny paying out a possible beard. They don't get a chance to freeroll players.

But it's not only perfectly acceptable to players here. It's actually encouraged by some. It's hilariously pathetic.

What I find most amusing here is that the player was playing a -EV game, its not like he was beating them up on derivative markets.

Heritage stood to profit the entire time they allowed the player to play and then turned around and cried foul when the player suddenly got lucky.

[shari91]

I did follow
You made a pathetic attempt to compare establishing residency and opening a bank account in another country to using false identification to access an establishment that you have been banned from.

News flash Shari91 it is not illegal in any way to have residency or a bank account in other countries.........and all that books like Bet365 request is that you have residency and a bank account in a country where you are allowed to play.

News flash kiddo - it's definitely illegal when you've never stepped foot in those countries and don't have a passport tying you to them. I have bank accounts and residency in several countries. Now have 3 passports. However if I tried to establish residency in Zimbabwe without ever stepping foot there and I have no parental lineage there = fraud. Go back to school.

Anything else? Or will you finally realise that MF and I actually know each other and certain basic bloody things don't need to be said? Time to disappear? I thought so.

[prop]

I have drivers license, bank account and utility bill in 3 different countries (passport in a 4th - no utility bill or bank account where I'm citizen though). Several books have paid me and wired me to multiple ones. Bookmaker + Pinnacle + 5Dimes don't care and don't ask. A few others I've needed to explain and show I'm a dual resident. Not sure what that has anything to do with anything. They get name and date of birth and are not going to scam anyone smart easily with multiple "legit" IDs. Changing my NETELLER and Moneybookers to a new country was a pain. Tried opening a new account both froze it right away. NETELLER far better got it sorted in 3-4 days. Moneybookers took a couple weeks and had to track down support on forums.

[shari91]

I have drivers license, bank account and utility bill in 3 different countries (passport in a 4th - no utility bill or bank account where I'm citizen though). Several books have paid me and wired me to multiple ones. Bookmaker + Pinnacle + 5Dimes don't care and don't ask. A few others I've needed to explain and show I'm a dual resident. Not sure what that has anything to do with anything. They get name and date of birth and are not going to scam anyone smart easily with multiple "legit" IDs. Changing my NETELLER and Moneybookers to a new country was a pain. Tried opening a new account both froze it right away. NETELLER far better got it sorted in 3-4 days. Moneybookers took a couple weeks and had to track down support on forums.

Funny you mentioned MB and Neteller as there are many posts on here about this poster stuffing both of my accounts well before any of this happened. I still can't use MB because of it and I didn't even do much wrong.

But yeah, they're strict. Not what we were referring to though. Very different when it comes to bank accounts.

[shari91]

Anyway point being if you want to scam you can do it properly. Not lying about what state you were in for months, who you know, who your bloody son is, etc. Hope it all gets sorted out soon and then the next time Cory runs into a spot of bother he can run somewhere else for helpas this is turning into a bit of a joke. We're talking about things way beyond what he could even imagine. If he could he might not be in this mess today.

[prop]

News flash kiddo - it's definitely illegal when you've never stepped foot in those countries and don't have a passport tying you to them.

The ID must be the illegal part. What kind of ID did he have? My wife has never been to UK. She leased an office for a registered address in the UK, established a LLP with company name same as her legal name, got a phone bill the solicitor set up only for the purpose of opening bank account. She doesn't have an ID there though, but pretty sure all her actions were legal. Obviously fake ID probably an issue but really I don't know what sort of IDs are available various places.