Unfair behaviour from Betonline

[sadekmeister]

The company have found new way to take some money from players.
When they adjust odds they only change odd for one team (the one that goes down) and leave the second one unchanged. Here's an extreme example from today, but I've seen that kind of action many times last few days:



So you have +110 vs -331 here. Nice margin. If -331 is correct odd here, then under 3 should be at least +260.
Now let's turn the tables - if a player bets +260 when correct odd is +110, he receives cancelled bet due to wrong odds and is called a cheater.
Would bookie void the bet on under 3 here on player's request? I doubt.

[Optional]

is called a cheater.
Would bookie void the bet on under 3 here on player's request? I doubt.

Man, some people always looking for an angle to take shots.

Not even going to explain for you. As I want to see you go ahead and try taking that shot and see how the book reacts, then come back and tell us

[BChrisB]

The company have found new way to take some money from players

I Bet at BetOnline consistently. You know exactly what happened here. It's happens not always, but often enough mostly during live play. The odds where changing and either it was A) Stalled slow connection with you internet on your end. "OR" B) Server froze up so momentarily you caught that small window period where it looked static on your end when in real time that odds were already adjusted just not on your half frozen screen.

Why did I even waste my time responding to this one. Don't pretend BOL was taking a shot at you no more than your shot on them if even your bet was accepted and would have posted. You know your pop-up screen would have gotten the no bets posted.

[sadekmeister]

I Bet at BetOnline consistently. You know exactly what happened here. It's happens not always, but often enough mostly during live play. The odds where changing and either it was A) Stalled slow connection with you internet on your end. "OR" B) Server froze up so momentarily you caught that small window period where it looked static on your end when in real time that odds were already adjusted just not on your half frozen screen.

Why did I even waste my time responding to this one. Don't pretend BOL was taking a shot at you no more than your shot on them if even your bet was accepted and would have posted. You know your pop-up screen would have gotten the no bets posted.

Nope, it's prematch and they change only one odd (lowering) and it stays like that for minutes. So still looking like taking shots by them.

[deeppckts]

As usual, Optional is wrong. sadek is 100% correct. This is absolutely shot taking behavior by BOL. It is not the usual shot taking that 5D likes to do where they have a bad line and cancel wagers after the fact. There's already another thread about BOL on this.

When the displayed odds are not the actual odds, BOL only corrects the bettor when it benefits BOL. This is absolutely shot taking: they are effectively offering 3 lines on a game: 2 are the actual odds and one is a bad line that the bettor should never want. It's just like 5Dimes offering a bad line where if you bet the sharp side your wager will be canceled but if you bet the square side, you'll almost surely lose and have your wager count.

It's been baked into their software for years, but has only become more prevalent now because displayed odds are very often not the actual odds (for some reason). Until recently, you'd only ever get screwed on this on fast line changes. And for the casual bettor who doesn't have DBest to see the actual line in real time, they'd never know they got screwed.

Optional, for someone that doesn't bet seriously, you have a lot of arrogance and snark in your posts when people bring legitimate complaints.

[deeppckts]

I Bet at BetOnline consistently. You know exactly what happened here. It's happens not always, but often enough mostly during live play. The odds where changing and either it was A) Stalled slow connection with you internet on your end. "OR" B) Server froze up so momentarily you caught that small window period where it looked static on your end when in real time that odds were already adjusted just not on your half frozen screen.

Why did I even waste my time responding to this one. Don't pretend BOL was taking a shot at you no more than your shot on them if even your bet was accepted and would have posted. You know your pop-up screen would have gotten the no bets posted.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[deeppckts]

sadek

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[deeppckts]

Their odds not displaying correctly is their technical issue but I doubt they'll change their policy of only updating odds on you if it benefits them.

[Optional]

As usual, Optional is wrong.

Oh wow. Thanks. I had no clue.

Dumbass me.


You go ahead and listen to deeppckts and take that shot sadekmeister

[deeppckts]

Oh wow. Thanks. I had no clue.

Dumbass me.


You go ahead and listen to deeppckts and take that shot sadekmeister

What shot?? Their software does not allow you to take shots. There is no GOOD bad line that is bettable here, only BAD bad lines.That's the point. BOL is the shot taker.

[Jared Brooks]

Optional, can you explain your position here? It seems like the TS and deeppckts are correct.

[Optional]

Optional, can you explain your position here? It seems like the TS and deeppckts are correct.

If you read my reply to the OP in post #2 I Said nothing about how the site works.

I commented on OPs plan to take a shot at them using the way the site works.

And I am still not going to explain anything more than that for him, or engage with peanuts who already know it all like deepickets. I hope both of them have a shot at it so I can hear both complain how sad they are that they have lost access to one of the best books they can access.

[deeppckts]

If you read my reply to the OP in post #2 I Said nothing about how the site works.

I commented on OPs plan to take a shot at them using the way the site works.

And I am still not going to explain anything more than that for him, or engage with peanuts who already know it all like deepickets. I hope both of them have a shot at it so I can hear both complain how sad they are that they have lost access to one of the best books they can access.

Those two things are linked for christ's sake. The software does not allow shot taking. He was being sarcastic saying that he would obviously have no chance to take a shot at BOL the way they are at him. You still don't understand that this is not a bad line that the software would let you bet. The only bad line is the shitty one which they would let you bet. It's like having an NBA total of 2000 and only allowing bets on the Over. That's shot taking by the book.

[Optional]

GFY!

I do not engage with people who troll me and take personal shots. If you want to discuss anything with me in future, check your personal opinions about me at the door.

But here's a clue, if you have never chased steam there, or read posts by someone who does that, you would not even know about this.

[deeppckts]

But here's a clue, if you have never chased steam there, or read posts by someone who does that, you would not even know about this.

OMG. That's the whole point!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!

[Optional]

Oh is it. I forgot you knew it all. My mistake again.

[deeppckts]

It doesn't affect me. I see the real lines on DB. I won't bet at unfavorable odds. But the casual bettor will.

If the O/U of some NBA game is displayed as O200 -110, U200 -110 but the actual odds they're offering are O200 -120, U200 +100, then a casual bettor who strolls in and bets $100 at U200 -110 will have his 110/100 bet accepted. If that same bettor takes the Over, he's going to see a message saying "Sorry, odds are -120". The Under bettor will never know he got f***ed, just as you ridiculously pointed out.

If it's me, I see -120/+100 on DB. If I want the over I put a bet in, it updates to -120 and I take it. If I want the under, I refresh or re-login until I get the actual price because I won't take -110.

This is clearly unfair, and if you know what shot taking is, you'll realize it's exactly that.

Instead, you attack the poster for wanting to 'take a shot' at BOL. You're a moderator on a sportsbook review site. It doesn't get more ironic than that. You deserve to be personally attacked. You're doing your job poorly.

The only reason casual bettors are noticing this now is that their displayed odds have, lately, been very very stale.

Fortunately, we have posters looking out for other posters, as it's always been.

[Jared Brooks]

I commented on OPs plan to take a shot at them using the way the site works.

I didn't see this in the OP. Did someone edit the post?

[sadekmeister]

I didn't see this in the OP. Did someone edit the post?

No, first post wasn't edited.
I think Optional misunderstood what I was trying to show here. I won't be affected by that behaviour by BOL, because if I can get higher odd in other bookie, I'll place my bet there, but many recreational bettors could be harmed and not know about it. And I think A+ book shouldn't use tricks like that.

And that's all - I made my point and not going to argue about that, everyone can judge it himself. @Optional, I really respect your help with all these non-payments and other shitty stuff we see on forum each day, just don't get too emotional.

[Jared Brooks]

No, first post wasn't edited.
I think Optional misunderstood what I was trying to show here. I won't be affected by that behaviour by BOL, because if I can get higher odd in other bookie, I'll place my bet there, but many recreational bettors could be harmed and not know about it. And I think A+ book shouldn't use tricks like that.

And that's all - I made my point and not going to argue about that, everyone can judge it himself. @Optional, I really respect your help with all these non-payments and other shitty stuff we see on forum each day, just don't get too emotional.

Ok yeah. I can't understand Optional's viewpoint on this one. Seems like you've documented a pretty clear case of a book taking shots (intentionally or otherwise) against players. Other players have noted the same. As you and deeppockets have noted, there is not even an opportunity for the player to take a shot at the book here.

As always, much respect to Optional for the hard work he puts in every day.

[Optional]

I probably sound a bit rough there and jumped on your last line.

But honestly, I have zero tolerance for bloody steam chasers coming on here and bashing books incessantly. Check out that Tip_Eu dude desperately trying to damage Betphoenix. Pretty sure that is his exact issue. Years ago they booted him for being a steam or shot taker AFAIK.


Regular bettors are hardly affected by this. If you are not watching for odds moves you would hardly ever manage to try and bet in the 30-60 seconds (I think) between updates.

Regular bettors don't even realize its a thing. Which is why I jump on people making threads acting indignant about steamer penalties.


It's only steam chasers who are really affected and it's a foolproof way to make sure they are 0% cost to the book.

That is good for regular bettors.

[deeppckts]

Regular bettors don't even realize its a thing. Which is why I jump on people making threads acting indignant about steamer penalties.


It's only steam chasers who are really affected and it's a foolproof way to make sure they are 0% cost to the book.

That is good for regular bettors.

Disagree with everything in this.

"Steamer penalties" sounds like a jjgold sex term

[deeppckts]

Optional thinks it's ok to be a sharp who makes his own numbers and bets them at various books, or to be a recreational player. But somehow the steam chasers are bad. If steam chasers lower a book's bottom line to the detriment of squares, then he should support policies that hurt or exclude sharps too.

It is a huge myth that things that help the book's bottom line = better for rec players.

[deeppckts]

It's also ridiculous to lump 'steam chaser' with 'shot taker'.

All these stupid small books could solve all these problems by having their lines auto-move on ACTION. Or, in other words, just look at how the successful books operate and copy their business model.

Instead they are super paranoid and do things like boot winners, even those betting into horrible odds, lower limits, increase vig.

[Jared Brooks]

It's also ridiculous to lump 'steam chaser' with 'shot taker'.

All these stupid small books could solve all these problems by having their lines auto-move on ACTION. Or, in other words, just look at how the successful books operate and copy their business model.

Instead they are super paranoid and do things like boot winners, even those betting into horrible odds, lower limits, increase vig.

Since you and I seem to see eye-to-eye on most issues: what are some of the books you consider to be high-quality?

[pimike]

Since you and I seem to see eye-to-eye on most issues: what are some of the books you consider to be high-quality?

[deeppckts]

In terms of the places I respect or would emulate, the obvious suspects. BM, Pinn, Betonline. None ban winners. Good limits. Fantastic promos (minus Pinn obviously). All continue to grow and be profitable. Add 5Dimes at the tail end, though they take shots and can severely limit sharps.

YW, BetPhx, Betmania, BetUS, Bovada, Heritage, Carbon/Sportsbook, AmericasBookie, HRW could all be dramatically improved. Each one of these places has at least 1-2 nonsensical approaches/policies.

That doesn't mean from a bettor's point of view that any of the above are bad. Aside from AmericasBookie, which is the ultimate pathetic sportsbook in every way except personalized service, and which I'll never post up at again, I am happy to be funded at all of them if they'll have me.

If I recall, AmericasBookie was taking a maximum of $500 on the superbowl from even square accounts. A license to print money and they're manufacturing 5 cent coins. lol.

[Jared Brooks]

In terms of the places I respect or would emulate, the obvious suspects. BM, Pinn, Betonline. None ban winners. Good limits. Fantastic promos (minus Pinn obviously). All continue to grow and be profitable. Add 5Dimes at the tail end, though they take shots and can severely limit sharps.

Yeah I have been with BM/Pinn for a long time. I'm way up over the years and BM/Pinn welcome my action. Never cut my limits. BM did remove me from their Betpoints promo some years ago but I didn't care as I didn't even know I was part of it even as I was racking up $100s. 5D cut my limits years ago to such an extent that they aren't really useful anymore.

Have you ever tried to expand into any of the bitcoin-only books? I tried to recently but hit some difficulties.

[pimike]

Not sure I would classify Heritage with many of those low tier books.

They are recreational but way more honest than many of those you lumped them in with.

[deeppckts]

I am completely fine with BTC books in principle but none in practice have interested me. It's a silly business model from their point of view. It makes way more sense for the book to take on the currency risk than for the players. Plus, it's annoying figuring out in real time how much you're actually betting.

GTbets and Mybookie are a couple books I forgot. GTBets I think has a policy limiting bitcoin DEPOSITS. lol. It just goes to show how profitable running a book must be if even complete fools can do it.

[deeppckts]

Not sure I would classify Heritage with many of those low tier books.

They are recreational but way more honest than many of those you lumped them in with.

Definitely. But I'd rather lose Heritage than most of the others I listed. They are high vig, never have the best odds on anything, they have sharp vs. square lines (speaking of honesty), weak bonuses, and in my life I am penetrating DOWN on their get out of halftime promo.

[pimike]

Not sure I would classify Heritage with many of those low tier books.

They are recreational but way more honest than many of those you lumped them in with.

Some books just don’t agree with certain people. Youwager is that for me. Late lines especially for NFL.

Do you actually bet at betus? If so why? Lines horrible and they may fold now.

[Jared Brooks]

It's a silly business model from their point of view. It makes way more sense for the book to take on the currency risk than for the players.

lol, welp, I was trying to make this point in the other thread while discussing Nitrogen's rollover but it seems to be causing irritation so I guess I'm dropping it.

Plus, it's annoying figuring out in real time how much you're actually betting.

Not an issue for me as I pretty much always make limit bets on the sports I play. The limits are calculated in USD based on Pinnacle's limits and then the book converts them to XBT for the player. I have a feeling you're playing the most popular sports like maybe NBA/NFL/soccer where the limits are higher so you don't want to make limit bets all the time.

[deeppckts]

No, I just find the BTC amounts annoying. And I had recreational bettors more in mind, too. They don't want to figure out if they should be betting 0.1 BTC or 0.01 BTC on SNF. If you're talking about Nitrogen in particular, I wasn't aware of any reason to play there since they copy Pinn but add vig. I can imagine some reasons for other types of bettors, but not me.

I just don't see any reason for a book to be a BTC book. It transfers the currency risk to the bettor and rec bettors consistently hate that. Most want to bet on sports, not a currency. A competent book manager can easily assume that risk and either assume some of it or hedge it entirely. BTC is fantastic for funding books, but there's no reason to have the bets denominated in BTC.

[deeppckts]

Some books just don’t agree with certain people. Youwager is that for me. Late lines especially for NFL.

Do you actually bet at betus? If so why? Lines horrible and they may fold now.

YW... "A" book that is very quick to limit and slow, tedious way of processing payouts. There's no reason for them to be so slow and have such low payout limits. If they think they're getting people to blow their balances in the mean time, OK maybe, but people wise up to that and then it backfires because bettors will withdraw as soon as they win a bet because they know if they keep winning they can't get it all out at once if they want.

BetUS has incredible promos, fantastic payouts, great odds if you pay attention, but will limit you if you bet a good # and win (but not if you lose lol). Very underrated book. Why do you think they'll fold aside from the fact they're a smaller shop?