Be very, very careful at Bet DSI if taking a bonus

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Of course a private business should be able to make their own rules provided it's not a total scam and against the law. But isn't SBR in the business of letting its customers know which sportsbooks are the best and which are the worst? Doesn't SBR take shady bonus rules into account when making the ratings?

You're implying this rule is shady.

I think the bonus is now a lot less attractive for anyone who bets more than $100 usually.

But shady? How?

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Thanks Optional

How can we show our gratitude to moderators such as yourself, do you have a tip jar of some sort?

Tips not needed but thanks for the thought. You can join the site as a Pro member if you wish to show SBR support https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-pro/

[HedgeHog]

I signed up and deposited for the bonus the same day. It's that bonus which is still active today. Therefore, I have been affected by a retroactive rule change.

I apologize if I was not clear, I was getting fitted at my tailor.

Seriously, you're surprised by their ambiguous rules? You do realize you're not dealing with an A+ Book anymore as DSI has long since left the Bookmaker family? Surprised you feel upset by this. Try the relaxation techniques you suggested to me in my 5D thread.

[5918mike]

They have sneakily removed the rollover tracker from their website so I asked CS to check my roll for me

My account still has the tracker for my current bonus.

[Mild Mannered]

Glad to see the consensus is in line with my opinion, post-CRIS DSI is truly an F rated book.
Sad that we all had to go through our individual angst to arrive at this opinion.

New people, heed the warnings.

[Legions36]

So these rules dont apply to people who have had accounts with them for years? Rules meaning, this silly $100 bet towards rollover crap and 10,000 max bonus payout? I’m concerned about even making smaller deposits with them now. The people who still play there what R u guys doing after you read this thread?

[deeppckts]

Seriously, you're surprised by their ambiguous rules? You do realize you're not dealing with an A+ Book anymore as DSI has long since left the Bookmaker family? Surprised you feel upset by this. Try the relaxation techniques you suggested to me in my 5D thread.

Oh I never said I was surprised. We know what we're dealing with. But the whole point of these forums is to share our experiences so that others may be informed. These forums are not only for thanking sportsbooks for running contests with an expected value of $25, but congrats on your big win at Sportsbetting!

[deeppckts]

DSI has 4 sportsbooks, 2 types of balances ('cash' and 'bonus') and at least 2 sets of rules based on when you signed up.
Certain balances can only be bet in certain sportsbooks. Bonus balances must be converted into a cash balance before withdrawing. Combine all those together and you have a complete disaster of an operation.

I can never understand why organizations with a license to print money somehow manage to still screw it up.

[HedgeHog]

Oh I never said I was surprised. We know what we're dealing with. But the whole point of these forums is to share our experiences so that others may be informed. These forums are not only for thanking sportsbooks for running contests with an expected value of $25, but congrats on your big win at Sportsbetting!

It was for $154 big shot. I thought it was worthy of a thank you.

[infotimbo]

The people who still play there what R u guys doing after you read this thread?

for me, personally, it doesn't change much. I don't think I have made use of a bonus anywhere for the past 10 years or so anyway - and I'm actually more confident in a bookie with no bonus at all (or one with very strict conditions) to stay solvent than in one who gifts cash away left and right to attract as much new money as possible to come in.

Nevertheless, don't get me wrong, changing bonus rules retrospectively would be a no-go of course, and I don't approve that. I hope this will get sorted out for everyone affected.

[deeppckts]

It was for $154 big shot. I thought it was worthy of a thank you.

You had a 1 in 6 chance at $154. That's $25. It's called expected value.

[HedgeHog]

You had a 1 in 6 chance at $154. That's $25. It's called expected value.

Actually it was a $10,000 pool, and the odds of winning were 1 in 64. You think hitting a 6 team parlay has a 1 in 6 chance? LOL, consider taking a remedial math class.

[deeppckts]

My apologies, the EV calculation did seem high to me. Upon further reflection your EV in that contest was $2.
Yippee!

[HedgeHog]

They seem to have snuck in some new rules recently. Primarily:

Updated* November 7th 2019. Any new member who registered from August 1st 2019 to current date will have a maximum bonus cash out $10,000. Any member registered before this time frame will have a max bonus cash out of $25,000.


And, perhaps the worst rule in offshore bonus history:


For any new member who has registered from the date of August 1st 2019, allocated bonuses greater than $999 will have a maximum of $100 applied to rollover on any wager placed towards meeting rollover requirement regardless of the wagered amount.


This means if you sign up today, and take them up on their BTC150 offer by sending $1500 and receiving a $2250 bonus your rollover will equal $93,750. But with only $100 maximum being credited towards your rollover that means you will need to make 937 bets at $100 apiece. This would take the average bettor close to a decade to complete.

To add insult to injury, you can only cash out a maximum of $10,000 from this $2250 bonus. And, don't forget, there is a good chance they reduce your limits to $50 during the rollover.

Your friend,

BAUS

Thanks for posting this thread. I left DSI after last football season, and decided not to return. I'm not eligible for bonuses there anymore, and if I were I'd have to pass based on all this BS. Looks like I made the right decision

[DISTROYA]

Astronomical rollover here at the point juicing out just to lower.

[PD77]

Astronomical rollover here at the point juicing out just to lower.

that won’t count towards the rollover. There’s another thread here about that.

see post #15 https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...-resolved.html

[fastlane]

I think they are going to use this rule against me. As i contacted DSI chat after seeing this thread to find out what my rollover was was Chat stated it has to be manually updated due to the rule changes. However I had my rollover calculating normally until it was removed in mid Nov.

What can I do as pretty sure they are about to change the rollover rules in the middle of my rollover and recalculate it using new rules.

[GradyFuson]

I think they are going to use this rule against me. As i contacted DSI chat after seeing this thread to find out what my rollover was was Chat stated it has to be manually updated due to the rule changes. However I had my rollover calculating normally until it was removed in mid Nov.

What can I do as pretty sure they are about to change the rollover rules in the middle of my rollover and recalculate it using new rules.

Try to go to the cashier and click payouts.... in my account there is still a hidden tracker there that calculates the rollover normally (not with the new rules). If it's there make sure you take a screenshot of it with something in the screenshot to verify the date. Hopefully they don't read this and also take that away.

Might also be worth screen shotting you wager history...I do not trust these guys at all, and wouldn't put it past them to delete that also.

[fastlane]

You were correct it worked. Thanks for the tip.

The number matched the number they gave me and what I have calculated. Sucks that we have to deal with books using rules that trick players and make rollovers nearly impossible to complete.

[GradyFuson]

Gambling is hard, dealing with books/CS/ID/Rule changes is harder.

[teacher10]

Thanks Optional for all that you do for us bettors! Happy holidays to you and your family!

Tips not needed but thanks for the thought. You can join the site as a Pro member if you wish to show SBR support https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sbr-pro/

[ace7550]

You're implying this rule is shady.

I think the bonus is now a lot less attractive for anyone who bets more than $100 usually.

But shady? How?

It's only my opinion of course that it's shady, but anyone who actually reads the fine print on this bonus is definitely not depositing at DSI.

"This means if you sign up today, and take them up on their BTC150 offer by sending $1500 and receiving a $2250 bonus your rollover will equal $93,750. But with only $100 maximum being credited towards your rollover that means you will need to make 937 bets at $100 apiece. This would take the average bettor close to a decade to complete."

$93,750 RO on a $2,250 bonus!!! That's a crazy RO. They are banking on customers not reading the fine print. I find it shady to hope that your customers don't read your fine print.

[KS1986]

It's only my opinion of course that it's shady, but anyone who actually reads the fine print on this bonus is definitely not depositing at DSI.

"This means if you sign up today, and take them up on their BTC150 offer by sending $1500 and receiving a $2250 bonus your rollover will equal $93,750. But with only $100 maximum being credited towards your rollover that means you will need to make 937 bets at $100 apiece. This would take the average bettor close to a decade to complete."

$93,750 RO on a $2,250 bonus!!! That's a crazy RO. They are banking on customers not reading the fine print. I find it shady to hope that your customers don't read your fine print.

Isn't their bonus rollover calculated like this (Deposit+Bonus+Bonus winnings) x 25? If that's the case your rollover would most likely be much higher than $93,750. Either way their bonus system is very confusing and obviously not worth the ridiculous rollovers and capping bets to $100 towards the rollover is beyond ridiculous. Looks like they really want small time rec players.

[milwaukee mike]

Isn't their bonus rollover calculated like this (Deposit+Bonus+Bonus winnings) x 25? If that's the case your rollover would most likely be much higher than $93,750. Either way their bonus system is very confusing and obviously not worth the ridiculous rollovers and capping bets to $100 towards the rollover is beyond ridiculous. Looks like they really want small time rec players.

no i don't think it's calculated like that... but there is an additional 1x rollover after converting bonus funds to cash

the rollover is somewhat ridiculous, but it's pretty easy to win there, so take the good with the bad i guess

i would also say careful with jazz bonus, i had bet a ton and thought i was about finished before finding out that live bets don't count... so now i'm left with a huge balance and $50 limits that will take forever to meet rollover

[ace7550]

no i don't think it's calculated like that... but there is an additional 1x rollover after converting bonus funds to cash

the rollover is somewhat ridiculous, but it's pretty easy to win there, so take the good with the bad i guess

i would also say careful with jazz bonus, i had bet a ton and thought i was about finished before finding out that live bets don't count... so now i'm left with a huge balance and $50 limits that will take forever to meet rollover

See I would also call what Jazz is doing shady. Maybe it's just me.

[sweep]

Sounds like a crappy bonus offer.

And people have the choice to take it or not.


Do you think a private business should not be allowed to operate how they choose?


Or maybe you think SBR should write their terms for them? Would you be willing to cover the compensation needed to cover any bad decision related to SBR telling DSI how to risk their own money?

Seriously, imagine if someone came along saying you can't operate your business how YOU CHOOSE.

How many of you would be screaming about communism and freedom??


If you don't like it, don't play there.

SBR isn't changing ratings for a book simply over a published bonus term that is less generous than you think it should be

Agree with everything here as long as the TOS changes are made front & center and not buried in fine print Their bonus rule changes are not even close to the industry standard

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Agree with everything here as long as the TOS changes are made front & center and not buried in fine print Their bonus rule changes are not even close to the industry standard

Definitely unique. And more complicated than some others. And now not attractive to people who want to go allin and clear the rollover fast, or for big bettors.

On the flip side, as someone already pointed out, this change will probably also mean that we will stop seeing people being limited during bonus rollover. Which would be an advantage for large bettors, knowing they can take a bonus without that happening (if it turns out that way)

To this day it unclear whether cash out means convert "bonus funds" into cash funds, or actually cash out to my bank or crypto wallet, etc.

I will ask for confirmation about if the 10k is max transferred from the bonus balance, or max that can be cashed out after the 1x cash rollover.

BetDSI have confirmed that the Max Win limits for the bonus relate to how much money can be converted from the bonus balance.

Once it is in your cash balance you can turn it into as much as you can without a limit.

[patswin]

its sad how much this once A+ book has fallen since the split with bookmaker. They went from A to F very quicky

[PaperTrail07]

I mean its offshore so they do what they want.....

Seriously, imagine if someone came along saying you can't operate your business how YOU CHOOSE

Are CC companies not forced to put min pay info in bold now? --"Min payment warning"....don't think they wanted to do that......

[milwaukee mike]

Agree with everything here as long as the TOS changes are made front & center and not buried in fine print Their bonus rule changes are not even close to the industry standard

good point about being buried in fine print, that's what bothered me about jazz... pretty much everyone else would include live betting for purposes of the rollover

[SeahawkSanders]

its sad how much this once A+ book has fallen since the split with bookmaker. They went from A to F very quicky

And RJ Bell continues to tout this book.

[fastlane]

They have now taken over 2 days and haven't given me a rollover update. Not sure what I'm supposed to do as they have been telling me my rollover since Oct and now they are changing it.

Any ideas? I don't want to bet and have them change the rules again. Anyone else dealing with this issue?

[PD77]

They have now taken over 2 days and haven't given me a rollover update. Not sure what I'm supposed to do as they have been telling me my rollover since Oct and now they are changing it.

Any ideas? I don't want to bet and have them change the rules again. Anyone else dealing with this issue?

According to this post you may be looking at two weeks for them to calculate your rollover.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3570928-betdsi-holding-out-30k-resolved.html

[DTFly]

Definitely unique. And more complicated than some others. And now not attractive to people who want to go allin and clear the rollover fast, or for big bettors.

On the flip side, as someone already pointed out, this change will probably also mean that we will stop seeing people being limited during bonus rollover. Which would be an advantage for large bettors, knowing they can take a bonus without that happening (if it turns out that way)









BetDSI have confirmed that the Max Win limits for the bonus relate to how much money can be converted from the bonus balance.

Once it is in your cash balance you can turn it into as much as you can without a limit.

Did they say anything about applying their "new" rollover rules to accounts with bonuses prior to the "new" rule being invented? As I said before I should have met over 70k of my rollover by now, instead their CS is insisting that the new rule applies to me and because of it I still have about $120k in roll to meet at $100 per bet.

Also, did they say anything about applying the "new limit" to accounts that had deposited and received a bonus before November 7th?

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Did they say anything about applying their "new" rollover rules to accounts with bonuses prior to the "new" rule being invented? As I said before I should have met over 70k of my rollover by now, instead their CS is insisting that the new rule applies to me and because of it I still have about $120k in roll to meet at $100 per bet.

Also, did they say anything about applying the "new limit" to accounts that had deposited and received a bonus before November 7th?

No, but please check your PM inbox