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well, it's not correlated in the way that one thing definitely causes the other to happen (like XYZ to score a hattrick in football + over 2,5 goals in the same match, for example), but fairly obviously the chance to score the most points increases massively if someone scores many 3s. Especially as (I'm no expert in basketball) the kind of player who'd score most 3s usually wouldn't have a chance to score most points otherwise, I guess?!
So I think it's fair to say that Bodog made a mistake there (not the player, obviously), and no one would complain if this type of parley bets were not allowed anymore. But I agree that in this case they should swallow the pill and pay, as it's no super "obvious error"Comment -
did your husband ever have a bodog/bovada account?
if so, is it still active or was he banned?
your bets should still be paid either way, at the very least as straight bets at the higher odds like 31-1... just wondering because if the husband never had a bodog account it would look a lot betterComment -
All I have posted is that the bet shown is definitely correlated and would be cancelled as an obvious error by most books. That's a fact I am sure of through years of experience dealing with complaints like this.
And that there is nothing suspicious about the instant pro membership.
I know people don't like hearing facts around here if it does not suit the narrative, but someone has to do it. Every thread like this ends up full of ignorant/incorrect information.
Just look at all these pages of people still arguing it's not correlated.
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I am OK with that. But, LOL - there must be a Mendoza line??? Sirens go off if a player gets to 10K? It is pretty obvious with their rules on bonuses - it is in their terms and conditions.
It is my opinion that if the player had won 20K+ with sharp action - maybe, betting steam, etc. - they would have also got stiffed then. Bovada is just as square as a barn door and sharps and pros should stay away. That is why they don't care if anybody is pissed off. They simply do not want sharp action and will screw anybody over that wins big. They just do not care if every sharp they have cashes in.Comment -
Are we ok with books cancelling wagers after the even has taken place? I am actually ok with it, but only in the most obvious of situations (alabama +45.5 isnstead of -45.5 and even then i feel a little dirty about it). This is not even close to that situation.All I have posted is that the bet shown is definitely correlated and would be cancelled as an obvious error by most books. That's a fact I am sure of through years of experience dealing with complaints like this.
And that there is nothing suspicious about the instant pro membership.
I know people don't like hearing facts around here if it does not suit the narrative, but someone has to do it. Every thread like this ends up full of ignorant/incorrect information.
Just look at all these pages of people still arguing it's not correlated.
You wanna cancel it after wager is placed but before game starts? Give proper notice to the player and apologize for YOUR SCREWUP.
Pay the poster and ban them here if u must. Players need confidence books will payout.Comment -
My private investigation clears by bodog any wrongdoingComment -
Personally, I think books should take responsibility for their own screw ups a lot more than is the industry norm right now. But I do not know where the line is. I also think books need a get out of jail clause in some cases.
If this was an Australian licensed book, then after an argument or an appeal to the regulator, the player might get paid. But only if it looked like a one off or innocent error, and not targeting an obvious error over and again.
There would be almost zero point even asking a UK or Malta licensed book to review this. And if it was Curacao, a cancel plus some sort of penalty on top would not be uncommon.
What the USA does with regulation surrounding obvious errors ongoing will be interesting. I suspect they are going to be more like Australia once bedded in. It's not a simple issue though. Do we, as honest bettors, want to be paying the costs of errors and people targeting them?.Comment -
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At the very minimum though, can you not agree that Bodog should pay the longest odds prop of the two that were parlayed? To void the entire parlay when I'm sure countless of parlays that were graded as losses were never refunded. I'm sorry but this 2019. How long has Bodog been around? 20 years? I have never heard in all my years of a sportsbook allowing props to be parlayed. Bodog clearly allows this to freeroll players.
As SBR's revenue depends on the commissions, royalties and promo money paid by these offshore books, with the majority of customers being in the US, don't you think books should start to own up for their mistakes as the US and Australia are doing? Otherwise why use offshore? Frankly, if I had a choice of Bodog or a US book, same odds, what motivation would I have to use Bodog/Bovada? None since the idea of your account isn't even your money DAYS later, clearly is BS. Heck Bovada doesn't even offer reduced juice now. Times are changing, rules are not set in stone over decades.
This cannot just be a "sorry you lose" situation to the bettor here. They did not reverse these bets until DAYS later when she had won even more. What if she lost those winnings + the $3000 she already had. Bodog would not have said, oh sorry we made a mistake heres your $3000 back to reset where you were days later.Last edited by eaglesfan371; 04-29-19, 07:48 PM.Comment -
Guys this is not about right and wrong. This book does not care about that. They do not even want knowledgeable players that can read a sports forum. They want dumb players who even when they get lucky - they bet it all and lose it.
Go ahead - win 20 k there - any kind of bets- they will not pay you. Anybody who wins 20k is sharp - is a pro - so they will not pay that player.
It is why their lines are biased for the dog. They are trying to screw the square into paying high juice and a hook more on the favorite. You are profiled if you play value. Will be fine as long as you do not win and try to collect. Very dangerous to have over a 10 k balance.
Only a recreational site for recreational players. Do not play there if you have a clue on how to win.Comment -
Not without knowing more about the story.
Should they be paid anything if it's a person who used someone elses ID to start a second account just to target these, for example?
All we can say so far is that the bets were taken in error. If the bets were made in good faith, yes the book should look at compensation of some sort. Paying out the bets as a dead heat single on each leg could be one way..Comment -
this will never happen because if it did all the parlays that were originally graded as losses that had at least 1 win should be graded as single plays. Book would lose a ton this way.
And we can agree to disagree if you go by the standard % to make a play correlated this is under the industry standard of 33%Comment -
These are their rules on correlated lines. But, isn't it a catch 22 to argue with the book about whether these plays were correlated? The player is subject to a rule he/she has no control over and to argue the rules is to accept them???
What about going to see them? Is it still Quebec? You know pack up the two kids and the schoolteacher husband and go get the money. Answer all the questions.
Apparently, they are not on the Kahnawake so who does govern them? Who is Salmon River Technologies? Get a hearing - file a complaint with them. Cannot be as bad as the Mohawks???
Correlated linesWhen a pointspread or runline are within close proximity of the game total (for example the pointspread is 14 and total is 30) they are referred to as "correlated". In these situations, if one wins it is considered likely that the other will also win. Because of this likelihood correlated lines cannot be included together in a parlay. In Baseball runlines and totals are always correlated because the sport is naturally lower scoring. Soccer pointspreads and moneylines are also always correlated for the same reason and therefore these lines can never be parlayed. In Football and Basketball, where correlated lines are less frequent, we identify those lines that are with a blue box. Two or more lines surrounded by this blue box (and therefore correlated) cannot be included in the same parlay.Last edited by BuckyOne; 04-29-19, 10:44 PM.Comment -
I have not heard of 1 instance of a new jersey regulated book cancelling a wager after it was placed, let alone after an event was completed. I have heard multiple instances (both publicly and through people) of wagers being honored that never in a million years would be offshore.
There was the love bet with fanduel that they attempted to cancel early in the football season (for a large sum of $) that they caved in and paid the player. I have heard of a player betting a line AFTER AN EVENT WAS OVER and getting paid. In the latter case, they shut the account and paid.
Its night and day right now how the regulated books and unregulated books treat bad lines.Comment -
Dam I was docked a point for calling a poster a shill.. That sucks.. lol.. Bubba is 100% correct..Comment -
I doubt UK would just ignore the fact you had a bet that was live and still worth something.
1- revised price is common.
2- the book can be targeting people by leaving it for days, rather than a player targeting them as you say. how long has this been available and how many refunds to losing players?
3- some books allow correlated bets, so how is a casual bettor to know?
strong case to me, but not for the full payout.Comment -
this case has nothing to do with sbr and i dont see how sbr could help (unless they prove this person has multiple accounts)
given the rules of offshore, i think they will and should side with the book
but it does not make it right and offshore needs changed if they want to keep up with regulated books
when will sbr come in with regulated usa books?
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why should that make all the difference? and who gets to decide the intent? sbr? bovada? those certainly aren't independent or objective bystanders.
just because someone is doing something slightly shady, that doesn't mean they deserve to be freerolled and then ROBBEDComment
