Bodog/Bovada Cancelled Big Wins - Advice?

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Just to clear up some things

Lady, your posts reek of facts and thoughts but no feelz. We all know how women are all about the feelings, so tell us dear, how do you FEEL?

I'd bet money the op is a man using his wife/girlfriends acct.

[infotimbo]

That a 32% correlation, which is fairly high but not obscene. On college football sides and totals, I think most Books cut off at around 30% correlation for same game side/total. So this is a tough case. Basically a real A Book pays while a lesser outfit stiffs on these bets.

well, it's not correlated in the way that one thing definitely causes the other to happen (like XYZ to score a hattrick in football + over 2,5 goals in the same match, for example), but fairly obviously the chance to score the most points increases massively if someone scores many 3s. Especially as (I'm no expert in basketball) the kind of player who'd score most 3s usually wouldn't have a chance to score most points otherwise, I guess?!

So I think it's fair to say that Bodog made a mistake there (not the player, obviously), and no one would complain if this type of parley bets were not allowed anymore. But I agree that in this case they should swallow the pill and pay, as it's no super "obvious error"

[BuckyOne]

i dont know why you guys want to argue if it is correlated

thats not the main point here

Exactly! You are the only guy that sees this. The point is that the plays were pro moves played by a pro. There site is plastered with “no pros” and recreational players only!

[Natty68]

If you are dumb enough to give your money to overseas books, you deserve to get your asses kicked. Only a complete and total dumb asrse would send money to a place where he/he has absolutely no control over it. When I make a wager for big money, I am going to e standing in that book prepared to cash it in immediately. It is quite simple. I give the book cash when I place the wager. I want my winnings the minute they hit. I did not make the book wait for weeks to collect, so why should they make me wait. You people get used like a two dollar hooker. You are basically helpless and at the mercy of a total stranger whom you cannot see, and basically talk to you when he wants to. The reason why these places flourish is because you people can not do a thing about it.

As far as our mother of two is concerned, if you buy her story, I have some nice beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. My guess is that her hubby is the real gambler and just opened an account in her name because he cannot use his own name. You would be surprised at the percentage of offshore accounts that are nothing more than just that.

Bookmaker gets my winnings to me within hours....been doing it for nine years with zero issues. Concerning the OP....I've heard that female account holders are HEAVILY SCRUTINIZED looking for shared IP's and such assuming hubby/boyfriend abusing policy.

[milwaukee mike]

Casual Bettor don’t bet thousands..
Betting bad lines means they won’t pay
No one cares your a mother of two
Crying on the internet isn’t going to get you paid
If your a MILF, offer customer chat a blowjob... I heard that works

All jokes aside... Kiss that 20k goodbye..

i said bovada was wrong and should pay

and then mr cavalier has the nerve to say THAT I AM THE ONE favoring the book?

what a fukking tool

[RudyRuetigger]

Exactly! You are the only guy that sees this. The point is that the plays were pro moves played by a pro. There site is plastered with “no pros” and recreational players only!

who determines who is pro?


oh right, the book should determine that

good, tiff18 is a pro... pay him, ban account,bodog get their shit together on a software standpoint and lets move on

[milwaukee mike]

Just to clear up some things (and once again I can verify all of this if I thought it would help, but would rather not reveal too much personal information).

1) I said right in the first post that I thought the odds were good. Especially after the first two nights I hit longshots so I kept betting them. I don't see how that would be suspicious. I had not heard of a site/casino/etc... ever going back on a wager that they offered.

The betting history is exactly as I described. If I didnt have to bet $11,000 to unlock the previously won money I wouldn't even have been considering NBA prop bets to begin with.

2) Once I won the biggest Kevin Durant bet and the bet didn't clear right away I was a little bit worried that I had won too much and they wouldn't pay out. Once the site settled the bet a a loss I didn't really expect they would reverse their decision. Once they reversed the decision on the next day I assumed that things were all good and the same kind of bets were still available. Why would I assume I was doing anything wrong?

3) Once again, yes I thought the odds were good. However, the worst thing I thought would happen is that the site would stop offering the bets. Seemed like a good way to clear the bonus and try to win big while doing so. I never in a million years thought they would go back and cancel bets from 5 days previous.

4) In hindsight I obviosuly wished I stopped right after the Kevin Durant win but honestly, wouldn't that seem more suspicous? If you were winning money doing something wouldn't you keep doing it?

5) I used to work for a major professional sports team (customer service, sales). I work in a financial field now. My family and I go to Vegas once a year and some of the nearby casinos where we live a few times a year. I play slots, some blackjack, and bets sports a bit.

My family and I are not super excited to have our names attached to this thing. My husband is a teacher who also likes to gamble casually although he used to play a lot of poker in casinos and online.

If someone was to answer my complaint form here or had some type of influence with Bodog I can easily verify all of this.

In the mean time, I am not disputing that someone at Bodog might have made an error with the odds. What I have a problem with is that I went 5 days thinking I had won a very large sum of money and Bodog took it back without any communication.

If they had sent something (or even better, called me) like "We messed up. Sorry but we can't let those bets stand because we made a bunch of mistakes. We should have told you after the very first bet you won and for that we apologize. Here is a % of the winnings. Don't bet parlays anymore." then I wouldn't even have come here. If they still do that I will move on. Otherwise, I'll wait to see if SBR can help me and if not, I'll just post the story to Twitter.

And to those of you who think "no one cares you are a mother of two" I think you are wrong. The general public will probably care a lot about this story. They won't know what a parlay even means but they will see a middle-aged, middle-class woman with two young kids who won $25,000 and the online casino that took the winnings back.

It isn't ideal for me or my family to go that route but it seems worth the trouble to have the story out there.

did your husband ever have a bodog/bovada account?

if so, is it still active or was he banned?

your bets should still be paid either way, at the very least as straight bets at the higher odds like 31-1... just wondering because if the husband never had a bodog account it would look a lot better

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did your husband ever have a bodog/bovada account?

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Opti definitely likes to side with the books 107% of the time, but I think you should look up correlated parlays. It doesn’t mean if one happens the other must happen. It just makes it far more likely, hence the correlation.

All I have posted is that the bet shown is definitely correlated and would be cancelled as an obvious error by most books. That's a fact I am sure of through years of experience dealing with complaints like this.

And that there is nothing suspicious about the instant pro membership.


I know people don't like hearing facts around here if it does not suit the narrative, but someone has to do it. Every thread like this ends up full of ignorant/incorrect information.

Just look at all these pages of people still arguing it's not correlated.

[michael777]

thanks Optional

[BuckyOne]

who determines who is pro?



oh right, the book should determine that

good, tiff18 is a pro... pay him, ban account,bodog get their shit together on a software standpoint and lets move on

I am OK with that. But, LOL - there must be a Mendoza line??? Sirens go off if a player gets to 10K? It is pretty obvious with their rules on bonuses - it is in their terms and conditions.

It is my opinion that if the player had won 20K+ with sharp action - maybe, betting steam, etc. - they would have also got stiffed then. Bovada is just as square as a barn door and sharps and pros should stay away. That is why they don't care if anybody is pissed off. They simply do not want sharp action and will screw anybody over that wins big. They just do not care if every sharp they have cashes in.

[bubba]

All I have posted is that the bet shown is definitely correlated and would be cancelled as an obvious error by most books. That's a fact I am sure of through years of experience dealing with complaints like this.

And that there is nothing suspicious about the instant pro membership.


I know people don't like hearing facts around here if it does not suit the narrative, but someone has to do it. Every thread like this ends up full of ignorant/incorrect information.

Just look at all these pages of people still arguing it's not correlated.

Are we ok with books cancelling wagers after the even has taken place? I am actually ok with it, but only in the most obvious of situations (alabama +45.5 isnstead of -45.5 and even then i feel a little dirty about it). This is not even close to that situation.

You wanna cancel it after wager is placed but before game starts? Give proper notice to the player and apologize for YOUR SCREWUP.


Pay the poster and ban them here if u must. Players need confidence books will payout.

[jjgold]

My private investigation clears by bodog any wrongdoing

[MrCavalier]

i said bovada was wrong and should pay

and then mr cavalier has the nerve to say THAT I AM THE ONE favoring the book?

what a fukking tool

My Post was meant to be sarcasm...

Book took the bet and now doesn’t want to pay..

Are you ok with books booking bets and not paying?

You honestly think they would’ve refunded the bet if it lost? You can’t be that one sided can you?

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Are we ok with books cancelling wagers after the even has taken place? I am actually ok with it, but only in the most obvious of situations (alabama +45.5 isnstead of -45.5 and even then i feel a little dirty about it). This is not even close to that situation.

You wanna cancel it after wager is placed but before game starts? Give proper notice to the player and apologize for YOUR SCREWUP.


Pay the poster and ban them here if u must. Players need confidence books will payout.

Personally, I think books should take responsibility for their own screw ups a lot more than is the industry norm right now. But I do not know where the line is. I also think books need a get out of jail clause in some cases.


If this was an Australian licensed book, then after an argument or an appeal to the regulator, the player might get paid. But only if it looked like a one off or innocent error, and not targeting an obvious error over and again.

There would be almost zero point even asking a UK or Malta licensed book to review this. And if it was Curacao, a cancel plus some sort of penalty on top would not be uncommon.


What the USA does with regulation surrounding obvious errors ongoing will be interesting. I suspect they are going to be more like Australia once bedded in. It's not a simple issue though. Do we, as honest bettors, want to be paying the costs of errors and people targeting them?

[milwaukee mike]

My Post was meant to be sarcasm...

Book took the bet and now doesn’t want to pay..

Are you ok with books booking bets and not paying?

You honestly think they would’ve refunded the bet if it lost? You can’t be that one sided can you?

I SAID BOVADA WAS WRONG AND SHOULD PAY, at least 4 times now

not sure how i can make it any clearer

they did refund the bets that lost, but only because the player was way ahead, not cool

[HedgeHog]

My private investigation clears by bodog any wrongdoing

Fairly certain your employer has already come to the same conclusion

[eaglesfan371]

Personally, I think books should take responsibility for their own screw ups a lot more than is the industry norm right now. But I do not know where the line is. I also think books need a get out of jail clause in some cases.


If this was an Australian licensed book, then after an argument or an appeal to the regulator, the player might get paid. But only if it looked like a one off or innocent error, and not targeting an obvious error over and again.

There would be almost zero point even asking a UK or Malta licensed book to review this. And if it was Curacao, a cancel plus some sort of penalty on top would not be uncommon.


What the USA does with regulation surrounding obvious errors ongoing will be interesting. I suspect they are going to be more like Australia once bedded in. It's not a simple issue though. Do we, as honest bettors, want to be paying the costs of errors and people targeting them?

At the very minimum though, can you not agree that Bodog should pay the longest odds prop of the two that were parlayed? To void the entire parlay when I'm sure countless of parlays that were graded as losses were never refunded. I'm sorry but this 2019. How long has Bodog been around? 20 years? I have never heard in all my years of a sportsbook allowing props to be parlayed. Bodog clearly allows this to freeroll players.

As SBR's revenue depends on the commissions, royalties and promo money paid by these offshore books, with the majority of customers being in the US, don't you think books should start to own up for their mistakes as the US and Australia are doing? Otherwise why use offshore? Frankly, if I had a choice of Bodog or a US book, same odds, what motivation would I have to use Bodog/Bovada? None since the idea of your account isn't even your money DAYS later, clearly is BS. Heck Bovada doesn't even offer reduced juice now. Times are changing, rules are not set in stone over decades.

This cannot just be a "sorry you lose" situation to the bettor here. They did not reverse these bets until DAYS later when she had won even more. What if she lost those winnings + the $3000 she already had. Bodog would not have said, oh sorry we made a mistake heres your $3000 back to reset where you were days later.

[BuckyOne]

Guys this is not about right and wrong. This book does not care about that. They do not even want knowledgeable players that can read a sports forum. They want dumb players who even when they get lucky - they bet it all and lose it.

Go ahead - win 20 k there - any kind of bets- they will not pay you. Anybody who wins 20k is sharp - is a pro - so they will not pay that player.

It is why their lines are biased for the dog. They are trying to screw the square into paying high juice and a hook more on the favorite. You are profiled if you play value. Will be fine as long as you do not win and try to collect. Very dangerous to have over a 10 k balance.

Only a recreational site for recreational players. Do not play there if you have a clue on how to win.

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Guys this is not about right and wrong. This book does not care about that. They do not even want knowledgeable players that can read a sports forum. They want dumb players who even when they get lucky - they bet it all and lose it.

Go ahead - win 20 k there - any kind of bets- they will not pay you. Anybody who wins 20k is sharp - is a pro - so they will not pay that player.

It is why their lines are biased for the dog. They are trying to screw the square into paying high juice and a hook more on the favorite. You are profiled if you play value. Will be fine as long as you do not win and try to collect. Very dangerous to have over a 10 k balance.

Only a recreational site for recreational players. Do not play there if you have a clue on how to win.

False.

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At the very minimum though, can you not agree that Bodog should pay the longest odds prop of the two that were parlayed?

Not without knowing more about the story.

Should they be paid anything if it's a person who used someone elses ID to start a second account just to target these, for example?


All we can say so far is that the bets were taken in error. If the bets were made in good faith, yes the book should look at compensation of some sort. Paying out the bets as a dead heat single on each leg could be one way.

[michael777]

Guys this is not about right and wrong. This book does not care about that. They do not even want knowledgeable players that can read a sports forum. They want dumb players who even when they get lucky - they bet it all and lose it.

Go ahead - win 20 k there - any kind of bets- they will not pay you. Anybody who wins 20k is sharp - is a pro - so they will not pay that player.

It is why their lines are biased for the dog. They are trying to screw the square into paying high juice and a hook more on the favorite. You are profiled if you play value. Will be fine as long as you do not win and try to collect. Very dangerous to have over a 10 k balance.

Only a recreational site for recreational players. Do not play there if you have a clue on how to win.

totally false

[HedgeHog]

Guys this is not about right and wrong. This book does not care about that. They do not even want knowledgeable players that can read a sports forum. They want dumb players who even when they get lucky - they bet it all and lose it.

Go ahead - win 20 k there - any kind of bets- they will not pay you. Anybody who wins 20k is sharp - is a pro - so they will not pay that player.

It is why their lines are biased for the dog. They are trying to screw the square into paying high juice and a hook more on the favorite. You are profiled if you play value. Will be fine as long as you do not win and try to collect. Very dangerous to have over a 10 k balance.

Only a recreational site for recreational players. Do not play there if you have a clue on how to win.

Yes it's a rec book, but they will pay if you hit them for 20k. Expect to get limited afterward, but you will get paid promptly.

[allabout the $$$]

All we can say so far is that the bets were taken in error. If the bets were made in good faith, yes the book should look at compensation of some sort. Paying out the bets as a dead heat single on each leg could be one way.

this will never happen because if it did all the parlays that were originally graded as losses that had at least 1 win should be graded as single plays. Book would lose a ton this way.

And we can agree to disagree if you go by the standard % to make a play correlated this is under the industry standard of 33%

[eaglesfan371]

Not without knowing more about the story.

Should they be paid anything if it's a person who used someone elses ID to start a second account just to target these, for example?


All we can say so far is that the bets were taken in error. If the bets were made in good faith, yes the book should look at compensation of some sort. Paying out the bets as a dead heat single on each leg could be one way.

I agree, the girl owning the account is suspicious and more info will be necessary. Not saying it’s not possible but there’s probably a 0.1% female presence on this forum just for example.

[HedgeHog]

Not without knowing more about the story.

Should they be paid anything if it's a person who used someone elses ID to start a second account just to target these, for example?


All we can say so far is that the bets were taken in error. If the bets were made in good faith, yes the book should look at compensation of some sort. Paying out the bets as a dead heat single on each leg could be one way.

If proved, beard accounts are typically voided and deposit returned. Just speculation though at this point, unless JJ or you have more to share.

[ans61201]

Can somebody give us statistics regardin most 3s/points per night since playoff started,and how many times same guy had most 3s/pts. I really doubt its more that 15-20%.
Like someone said its not extreme correlation. Making most 3 pointers doesnt mean he will have most points,if he have most points doesnt mean he have most 3s.

Even if it’s only 10% of the time, you get 100/1 on it lol

[ans61201]

Lady, your posts reek of facts and thoughts but no feelz. We all know how women are all about the feelings, so tell us dear, how do you FEEL?

I'd bet money the op is a man using his wife/girlfriends acct.

100000000%. Book should still be up for the bill though.

[BuckyOne]

These are their rules on correlated lines. But, isn't it a catch 22 to argue with the book about whether these plays were correlated? The player is subject to a rule he/she has no control over and to argue the rules is to accept them???

What about going to see them? Is it still Quebec? You know pack up the two kids and the schoolteacher husband and go get the money. Answer all the questions.

Apparently, they are not on the Kahnawake so who does govern them? Who is Salmon River Technologies? Get a hearing - file a complaint with them. Cannot be as bad as the Mohawks???

Correlated linesWhen a pointspread or runline are within close proximity of the game total (for example the pointspread is 14 and total is 30) they are referred to as "correlated". In these situations, if one wins it is considered likely that the other will also win. Because of this likelihood correlated lines cannot be included together in a parlay. In Baseball runlines and totals are always correlated because the sport is naturally lower scoring. Soccer pointspreads and moneylines are also always correlated for the same reason and therefore these lines can never be parlayed. In Football and Basketball, where correlated lines are less frequent, we identify those lines that are with a blue box. Two or more lines surrounded by this blue box (and therefore correlated) cannot be included in the same parlay.

[bubba]

Personally, I think books should take responsibility for their own screw ups a lot more than is the industry norm right now. But I do not know where the line is. I also think books need a get out of jail clause in some cases.


If this was an Australian licensed book, then after an argument or an appeal to the regulator, the player might get paid. But only if it looked like a one off or innocent error, and not targeting an obvious error over and again.

There would be almost zero point even asking a UK or Malta licensed book to review this. And if it was Curacao, a cancel plus some sort of penalty on top would not be uncommon.


What the USA does with regulation surrounding obvious errors ongoing will be interesting. I suspect they are going to be more like Australia once bedded in. It's not a simple issue though. Do we, as honest bettors, want to be paying the costs of errors and people targeting them?

I have not heard of 1 instance of a new jersey regulated book cancelling a wager after it was placed, let alone after an event was completed. I have heard multiple instances (both publicly and through people) of wagers being honored that never in a million years would be offshore.

There was the love bet with fanduel that they attempted to cancel early in the football season (for a large sum of $) that they caved in and paid the player. I have heard of a player betting a line AFTER AN EVENT WAS OVER and getting paid. In the latter case, they shut the account and paid.

Its night and day right now how the regulated books and unregulated books treat bad lines.

[MrCavalier]

Dam I was docked a point for calling a poster a shill.. That sucks.. lol.. Bubba is 100% correct..

[cashin81]

Personally, I think books should take responsibility for their own screw ups a lot more than is the industry norm right now. But I do not know where the line is. I also think books need a get out of jail clause in some cases.


If this was an Australian licensed book, then after an argument or an appeal to the regulator, the player might get paid. But only if it looked like a one off or innocent error, and not targeting an obvious error over and again.

There would be almost zero point even asking a UK or Malta licensed book to review this. And if it was Curacao, a cancel plus some sort of penalty on top would not be uncommon.


What the USA does with regulation surrounding obvious errors ongoing will be interesting. I suspect they are going to be more like Australia once bedded in. It's not a simple issue though. Do we, as honest bettors, want to be paying the costs of errors and people targeting them?

I doubt UK would just ignore the fact you had a bet that was live and still worth something.

1- revised price is common.
2- the book can be targeting people by leaving it for days, rather than a player targeting them as you say. how long has this been available and how many refunds to losing players?
3- some books allow correlated bets, so how is a casual bettor to know?

strong case to me, but not for the full payout.

[RudyRuetigger]

I have not heard of 1 instance of a new jersey regulated book cancelling a wager after it was placed, let alone after an event was completed. I have heard multiple instances (both publicly and through people) of wagers being honored that never in a million years would be offshore.

There was the love bet with fanduel that they attempted to cancel early in the football season (for a large sum of $) that they caved in and paid the player. I have heard of a player betting a line AFTER AN EVENT WAS OVER and getting paid. In the latter case, they shut the account and paid.

Its night and day right now how the regulated books and unregulated books treat bad lines.

exactly

and very unfortunate so many BETTORS always side with the offshore book






if it is determined this mother of 2 is actually betting on someone else's behalf, then i say bodog should keep the fukkin money plus the deposit

[RudyRuetigger]

this case has nothing to do with sbr and i dont see how sbr could help (unless they prove this person has multiple accounts)

given the rules of offshore, i think they will and should side with the book

but it does not make it right and offshore needs changed if they want to keep up with regulated books

when will sbr come in with regulated usa books?

hopefully the next step for them

[milwaukee mike]

exactly

and very unfortunate so many BETTORS always side with the offshore book






if it is determined this mother of 2 is actually betting on someone else's behalf, then i say bodog should keep the fukkin money plus the deposit

why should that make all the difference? and who gets to decide the intent? sbr? bovada? those certainly aren't independent or objective bystanders.

just because someone is doing something slightly shady, that doesn't mean they deserve to be freerolled and then ROBBED