Bodog/Bovada Cancelled Big Wins - Advice?

[allabout the $$$]

Huh? You don't think most threes made in a game is correlated with most points in a game? Of course it is.

out of 41 playoff games its happened 13 times.

so it basically 67% not happening now take into account that you have to pick 1 player out of the 15-20 who play in every game. so its not as easy as correlated parlays with sides and totals

[eaglesfan371]

out of 41 playoff games its happened 13 times.

so it basically 67% not happening now take into account that you have to pick 1 player out of the 15-20 who play in every game. so its not as easy as correlated parlays with sides and totals

Correlated isn't determined by a set % of time A wins B does as well. The simple basis here is that event A winning has an impact on the chances of event B winning. In addition, if the house edge on a prop is 10%, just as you said 33% of the time event B wins when event A wins, it will create a +EV side for the player to add event B to their betslip and parlay.

If one event has any impact on another event winning, it is correlated. Even MLB away team ML for a saturday afternoon with 15 games is going to be correlated to a single away team ML if parlayed, very small correlation but still correlated.

The betslips in question were clearly correlated. However, this does seem like a freeroll by Bovada and this is not the first time they have done such BS tactics. I don't know a fair resolution here but at a minimum, the longer odds prop should be paid, not the entire parlay voided. There is a lot of action after the fact though to be considered. Times are changing, offshore needs to step-up. US books, if they ACCEPT a bet, THEY MUST pay it. Offshore BS isn't as welcomed as it used to be.

As for the woman betting with kids and all, IDK, very unlikely but maybe. Most of the times and books know this, when you see a woman name on a sportsbetting account, it is simply the girlfriend of some guy who had been kicked out of that book previously for whatever reason. Girls don't often sports bet, heck a lot don't even like sports (sadly).

[JoeCool20]

Didn't know Bovada would allow props to be parlayed like that??? Very odd.

LOL They WON'T allow those props to be parlayed! If somebody wins, then they steal the money back!


They will only allow LOSING bets to count!

[allabout the $$$]

Correlated isn't determined by a set % of time A wins B does as well.

this statement isnt true. in football if the spread is a certain % of a total or vice versa then its correlated and it is a set %. you can trust me on this

and as far as it not happening 67% of the time add in the fact that you have to pick the 1 player to do both out of the 10 players on a team to realistically do it thats 10% chance of hitting. not including it not happening 67% of the time your chances of it hitting arent that great.

Bottom line is bovada should not allow props to be parlayed

[eaglesfan371]

Bottom line is bovada should not allow props to be parlayed

This. They have been in business for several decades. How in the world have you not engineered your software to not allow props to be parlayed like every other book? Freerolling at its finest.

[JoeCool20]

Your hilarious dude, fuk this obvious errors bull shit. I don’t care if it’s a error or not...the line was posted, the user typed in the value the bet was confirmed...the bet rode out tell past the end of the game...now they recognize the error fuk that....I love how people around here get on their knees for these books who fuk up

What a great post! These players that side with the books are always incredible to me!

They get on a web site AS A PLAYER and say that the book was right in accepting a bet, paying it off, and then stealing the money back?

LOL Whether you are a fellow player or not, how the fuk could you EVER "side" with a sports-book putting a line out, accepting bets, and then paying the wins, and then stealing the money back a few days later? I think they are just being stupid and joking around! Because they can't seriously agree with a book doing that to a player!!


The wildest part is that if anything like this happened to any of them, and some sports book accepted their bet, then paid it off, then stole the money back a few days later, they'd change their tune in a second and start crying like a pussy for their money!

[Barrakuda]

The main info. in this thread is that Bovada misgraded the tie-break on the prop. That doesn't happen by accident.

The "A" in their rating stands for Always. Always screenshot and Always check your grading at Bovada.

[JoeCool20]

The main info. in this thread is that Bovada misgraded the tie-break on the prop. That doesn't happen by accident.

The "A" in their rating stands for Always. Always screenshot and Always check your grading at Bovada.

LOL Yeah I'll go ahead and reiterate my favorite thing to say and I'll use your "A for always"


ALWAYS realize, that if you send your money to a bunch of strangers overseas, then you are TOTALLY at their mercy!


They can lie, cheat, and steal your money ANY time they feel like it and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it!


I hope I NEVER send ANY of my money overseas to gamble with a bunch of strangers EVER again and then "Hope" that they don't cheat me if I get lucky enough to win!

Because the biggest "gamble" is not gambling on sports or casino!


The biggest "gamble" is flat out hoping that a bunch of strangers treat you fairly instead of simply stealing your money by cheating or lying!

[rm18]

I made longshot correlated bets like this before but never won or got money back. Not at bodog but other sites. Even stuff like over rebounds and over assists on same guy is correlated a little because of playing time and if you get a rebound you are the first one with a chance to pass the ball.

[Bucketwah]

Anyone who sides with the book is a tool. Why is bovada even rated here? Could be the shittest book online. This thread confirms that.

[RudyRuetigger]

if you have losing prop bets parlays like the one you posted that won.

post it. then that proves this is a definite free roll.

They refunded the losers. That is how I ended back at original balance (plus the 8-team parlay).

well then your fukked unfortunately. i think you should be paid but you are at the mercy of the book

ofcourse they refunded 1-2k worth of losses to keep all of these winnings

we need to see that they refunded bets long before this (not losing bets placed long ago and refunded after this winning streak) but refunded after a loss

....point being, i highly doubt this was her first time doing these type of parlays and i don't think the book just kept refunding losers without kicking her out.




also, if this was ignorance or laziness by the book..too bad for them

[moojoo]

They should pay her. She bet best pointer for night from all games and easily she could lose. Even at SBR Book you cant parlay correlated bets. I just hate those freerollers graded A+. Shet like this would never happend at Bet365.
Pay the player!

[pilebuck13]

Lol bookmakers software will stop you instantly try and do something like this...Bovada free rolling then got dummies on here sticking up for the book

[HedgeHog]

There's fault on both sides here. First off the OP made bets "he" had to know were significantly correlated. I say "he", because I'm not buying the mother of two story. It's not relevant anyway, but i have to say it was a nice touch going pro with your first post and complaint. Attempting to buy SBR's favor and presenting a sympathetic persona to the forum was a classic move.

On the other hand, BoDog/Bovada shouldn't be allowed to freeroll the OP afterward due to their own incompetence. These were not "line errors" as has been suggested. IMO, the bets should be allowed to stand as straight action. For example, a $100 2-team parlay should be converted to 2 straight bets at $50 each. A $100 8-teamer becomes 8 straight bets at $12.50. Do this for all the correlated bets and then pay out the winnings resulting from these legit straight bets. Seems like a fair solution to me.

[rm18]

went pro like 3 minutes after signing up

[littlekona]

The situation is essentially that I am a very casual sportsbettor who bets the NBA pretty small with my husband as a hobby.

Lol just admitted multiple accounts same household.....bye bye funds if it’s truth...or maybe husband opens account in wife’s name

[USCPHILLYGUY]

went pro like 3 minutes after signing up

International posters can go pro in minutes on a Sunday when show book affiliation but then Wait months for sportsbook cash? Seems system is broke

[jjgold]

guys seems like a fraud

[vampire assassin]

It's correlated, but the equity is almost nothing.

If you bet the first leg at 31:1, you have to win over 3% to break even.
The parlay you made had a break-even of about 1%. If the correlation was 100% (it isn't), you got the best of it by about 2%. That would be the same of picking off a "bad line" at -110 when it should be -120.

It's correlated, but it is weak to void it here. If I were confident in my player prop prices, I'd book those even with the correlations.

[ans61201]

Absolutely not. look at todays game

kyrie was high scorer didnt have the most 3's

harden and gorden had most 3's harden and durant were the high scorers.

i can guarantee that the book wouldn't say it was correlated if irving was played and would grade it as a loss

Opti definitely likes to side with the books 107% of the time, but I think you should look up correlated parlays. It doesn’t mean if one happens the other must happen. It just makes it far more likely, hence the correlation.

[cashin81]

2-3 days is too long for the book to inform the player.

"she" says she did this over a few days...

[ans61201]

if you have losing prop bets parlays like the one you posted that won.

post it. then that proves this is a definite free roll.

100%

[cashin81]

can you still place a similar bet?

[BuckyOne]

It’s obviously correlated but any book worth a damn would pay the money and fix the issues on their end.

Correct the bad line and pay the man his money.

I agree with that. Who is to say what the correct odds were but maybe, the props were also hung somewhere else?

[allabout the $$$]

Opti definitely likes to side with the books 107% of the time, but I think you should look up correlated parlays. It doesn’t mean if one happens the other must happen. It just makes it far more likely, hence the correlation.

I know what a correlated parlay is. There are way too many variables as far as players playing in the game so the possibility of different outcomes is greater. In football its 4 outcomes fav/over/under or dog over/under. Harden/ curry/ thompson/ paul all hit 3's and durant can be the high scorer or vice versa with any of those players

[moojoo]

I know what a correlated parlay is. There are way too many variables as far as players playing in the game so the possibility of different outcomes is greater. In football its 4 outcomes fav/over/under or dog over/under. Harden/ curry/ thompson/ paul all hit 3's and durant can be the high scorer or vice versa with any of those players

Adding Boston@Milwaukee lineups.

[allabout the $$$]

Adding Boston@Milwaukee lineups.

probability of greek being high scorer and hitting most 3's is less than 5% imo

[BuckyOne]

This is a problem of an unregulated marketplace! In a real world we could subpoena all the prop parlays accepted since the beginning of mankind. This selective definition of correlated parlays - was it recently invented by them or have they ever canceled anybody else's prop parlays?

There has to be more to the story on why this line was drawn in the sand? But, then again the player is guilty until proven innocent. Perhaps, this player crossed the Mendoza line and just won too much?

How does this change if the reason the book thinks the bets were professionally placed? Could the player pass a lie detector test? For that matter wouldn't it be nice if the sports book had to answer questions of a gaming commission?

At the very least - this sports book allowed too big of a parlay bet to be placed on these props. Have they stopped offering prop parlay bets? Can somebody still place a similar bet as we speak and it would be accepted - even for a dollar?

[allabout the $$$]

The odds were definitely out of wack

[Jayvegas420]

If the two wagers werent correlated then they were mutually exclusive.
They by definition, weren't mutually exclusive of each other.

The fact that some SBR members do not know the difference between correlated Wagers and mutually exclusive Wagers is not the point here, the point is that these parlays were collected when they lost and we're not paid off when they won. I am still waiting for the screenshot of the losing parlays.

[Tiff18]

we will soon find out there is more to this. all claims to be females are usually scammers or tout partners. didn't know about complaint form but became pro in one day lol

I don't really understand the SBR Pro thing but when I signed up it made me link it to my Bodog account if that matters. As I said, the details of when the Bodog acount was opened and all transactions are 100% accurate and I can prove it.

[milwaukee mike]

If the two wagers werent correlated then they were mutually exclusive.
They by definition, weren't mutually exclusive of each other.

The fact that some SBR members do not know the difference between correlated Wagers and mutually exclusive Wagers is not the point here, the point is that these parlays were collected when they lost and we're not paid off when they won. I am still waiting for the screenshot of the losing parlays.

bingo

no idea how people can argue these weren't correlated... if durant made the most 3s then he was gonna be the leading scorer way more than 20% of the time.

bovada is really wrong here, even if there are multiple accounts involved (which this looks like), and even if the "husband" was booted, the standard is "you book the bet you pay the bet".

granted these were correlated but a fair payout would be to at least pay the highest odds as a straight bet, so for durant the player should've won at least 3100

[Tiff18]

Correlated isn't determined by a set % of time A wins B does as well. The simple basis here is that event A winning has an impact on the chances of event B winning. In addition, if the house edge on a prop is 10%, just as you said 33% of the time event B wins when event A wins, it will create a +EV side for the player to add event B to their betslip and parlay.

If one event has any impact on another event winning, it is correlated. Even MLB away team ML for a saturday afternoon with 15 games is going to be correlated to a single away team ML if parlayed, very small correlation but still correlated.

The betslips in question were clearly correlated. However, this does seem like a freeroll by Bovada and this is not the first time they have done such BS tactics. I don't know a fair resolution here but at a minimum, the longer odds prop should be paid, not the entire parlay voided. There is a lot of action after the fact though to be considered. Times are changing, offshore needs to step-up. US books, if they ACCEPT a bet, THEY MUST pay it. Offshore BS isn't as welcomed as it used to be.

As for the woman betting with kids and all, IDK, very unlikely but maybe. Most of the times and books know this, when you see a woman name on a sportsbetting account, it is simply the girlfriend of some guy who had been kicked out of that book previously for whatever reason. Girls don't often sports bet, heck a lot don't even like sports (sadly).

If someone from SBR ends up helping out I can verify my idendity if that matters. If I dont get any help here my next plan is to go to Twitter. I would prefer not as obviously there is a bit of stigma with sportsbetting but for $20,000+ I will post in a more public forum if I think it might help.

[milwaukee mike]

If someone from SBR ends up helping out I can verify my idendity if that matters. If I dont get any help here my next plan is to go to Twitter. I would prefer not as obviously there is a bit of stigma with sportsbetting but for $20,000+ I will post in a more public forum if I think it might help.

you have a better chance of being helped by sbr than all other methods combined... and the more public you get the more scrutiny/eyeballs are on you... do you really want irs knowing you had taxable income? and had more than 10k offshore without reporting it on fbar? etc etc... taxes, fines, and penalties would eat up the winnings

[allabout the $$$]

bingo

no idea how people can argue these weren't correlated... if durant made the most 3s then he was gonna be the leading scorer way more than 20% of the time.

No way I believe from what I checked yesterday only one time in all of their games did he accomplish high score and most 3's but he has been high score in I believe 5 of the 6 games they have played