5dimes lowering odds after game

**lonnie55** · 11-16-18, 04:10 AM

match? your price? adjusted to?

**Grumsi** · 11-16-18, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by sadekmeister

I'm done with them. They could tell me they don't want my action instead of stealing money.

Definitely not what A+ books do.

OMG! I never seen this before and I played at tens of different bookmakers. I was always afraid that books will start doing this and even then some crazy people will be protecting the book. Fair market odds, lol. It is not player's job to put a fair market odds, it is book's job to do that. And if they didn't, they should be penalised for it. If anyone disagree with that statment, he/she better not reply to me ever in any thread.

**sadekmeister** · 11-16-18, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by lonnie55

match? your price? adjusted to?

Lonnie, different games where they were late with odds change comparing to Pinnacle. Some odds changed more than 2 weeks after the match. I'd have to calculate adjusted prices, because they just deducted money from the account without showing new odd, but it's like 4 -> 3,5 or 1,9 -> 1,8.
It's ridiculous.
I've requested partial withdrawal on Tuesday, it's still in review process.

**qsgsg** · 11-16-18, 08:21 AM

limiting your bets or closing account but returning you everything in full would be "fairer" than this. You can't take back what a customer has earned. It's cheating.

**qsgsg** · 11-16-18, 08:24 AM

Books on SBR with A+ rating should hold the highest ethical standard. If the other books see this practice and SBR thinks it is A+ worthy, other books will start doing it knowing that it does not affect their rating.

**bubba** · 11-16-18, 09:51 AM

On the surface this looks horrible. What kind of wagers were these?

**Optional** · 11-16-18, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by qsgsg

Books on SBR with A+ rating should hold the highest ethical standard.

agree!

Originally posted by qsgsg

If the other books see this practice and SBR thinks it is A+ worthy, other books will start doing it knowing that it does not affect their rating.

It's certainly a weird one. But not really sure what they have done, or exactly why as yet.

Sounds like a new way to deal with steam chasers from what the OP says about his betting style.

I think Tony would have just closed an account betting mainly steam in the past.

You must be right on top of it to find a lot of steam plays on 5D.

**lonnie55** · 11-16-18, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by sadekmeister

Lonnie, different games where they were late with odds change comparing to Pinnacle. Some odds changed more than 2 weeks after the match.

omg, that's heavy

**Alfa1234** · 11-16-18, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Optional

agree!

It's certainly a weird one. But not really sure what they have done, or exactly why as yet.

Sounds like a new way to deal with steam chasers from what the OP says about his betting style.

I think Tony would have just closed an account betting mainly steam in the past.

You must be right on top of it to find a lot of steam plays on 5D.

It's 100% unacceptable no matter how you look at it. It opens the door for random changes and you'll never be sure at which price you're betting. SBR should convinct this in the strongest possible way IMHO, even if they were just "late" to change their odds. That's not the player's fault. How are you supposed to know they weren't simply taking a position in that particular game? Next thing they'll be changing a +5.5 to a +2.5 because "the market said that's the correct line".

**bubba** · 11-16-18, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Sounds like a new way to deal with steam chasers from what the OP says about his betting style.

I think Tony would have just closed an account betting mainly steam in the past.

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This is 1000% the wrong way to deal with steam chasers. Just close an account if you dont want someones action. Or limit them. Do not retroactively rob them. This kind of reminds me of sportsbook.com (i think that was it) retroactively cancelling "correlated parlays" back in the day. You book it, you pay it.

**Wohlford** · 11-16-18, 12:56 PM

Unforgivable conduct by a book if this is what it appears to be. Should get a downgrade to a D grade.

**relaaxx** · 11-16-18, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Wohlford

Unforgivable conduct by a book if this is what it appears to be. Should get a downgrade to a D grade.

I love 5dimes. but this unacceptable

**Shifty** · 11-16-18, 01:36 PM

That's awful. What makes it even more f'ckd up is the amounts taken back are so small. Must have been an obscure sport or prop but that's no excuse.

**ronald** · 11-16-18, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Optional

agree!

It's certainly a weird one. But not really sure what they have done, or exactly why as yet.

Sounds like a new way to deal with steam chasers from what the OP says about his betting style.

I think Tony would have just closed an account betting mainly steam in the past.

You must be right on top of it to find a lot of steam plays on 5D.

I trust SBR is looking into this?

**HedgeHog** · 11-16-18, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by sadekmeister

I'm done with them. They could tell me they don't want my action instead of stealing money.

Definitely not what A+ books do.

Shocked that 5D went back so far to reclaim so little. Can you post some of the bets involved? I'd like to see if they were obvious line errors.

**michael777** · 11-16-18, 03:58 PM

Tony is DEAD ,and so is 5Crimes

**bubba** · 11-16-18, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Shocked that 5D went back so far to reclaim so little. Can you post some of the bets involved? I'd like to see if they were obvious line errors.

agree. its almost like for such small amounts, going weeks back that these bets might have been massively off. no idea. Not saying it makes it right but im so curious what the actual wagers were.

**RonPaul2008** · 11-16-18, 04:33 PM

Doubtful, i've been with 5D for many years, bet steam all the time, they never did that to me.
Instead my limits are low and i'm on a wager delay.
Besides, if that is not stated in their rules it would be robbery and nobody on earth would want to play there.
I still don't understand how horse racing at the track gets away with giving you whatever line it closes at.

Originally posted by Optional

agree!

It's certainly a weird one. But not really sure what they have done, or exactly why as yet.

Sounds like a new way to deal with steam chasers from what the OP says about his betting style.

I think Tony would have just closed an account betting mainly steam in the past.

You must be right on top of it to find a lot of steam plays on 5D.

**jimmy007oc** · 11-16-18, 05:12 PM

Op should file a report and let SBR investigate this with 5D.

**Barrakuda** · 11-16-18, 06:46 PM

We need to know exactly what these bets were. 3rd level Croatian volleyball? It wouldn't make it right, but it would be better than if it was a major sport.

**Optional** · 11-16-18, 07:07 PM

@OP, if you would like SBR to question them about this, please shoot in a sportsbook complaint form with your account info.

**Optional** · 11-16-18, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Doubtful, i've been with 5D for many years, bet steam all the time, they never did that to me.
Instead my limits are low and i'm on a wager delay.
Besides, if that is not stated in their rules it would be robbery and nobody on earth would want to play there.
I still don't understand how horse racing at the track gets away with giving you whatever line it closes at.

That's good info. 5D have never been badly against steam players but didn't realize you could get away with it for years. I'd guess you must have a high percentage of regualr plays in there too.

**Wohlford** · 11-16-18, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Barrakuda

We need to know exactly what these bets were. 3rd level Croatian volleyball? It wouldn't make it right, but it would be better than if it was a major sport.

I definitely want to know more about what happened than I can infer from OP's screenshot, but I don't think the exact market matters too much; I'm already assuming it was not a major market.

I just want to confirm that what we're seeing here is 5Dimes retroactively re-pricing wagers in a market where the rules don't allow it. (For example, was OP betting some foreign baseball market and he selected "Action" for the pitchers? If so, a retroactive price adjustment might actually be allowable.)

Beyond that, the only thing I need to know is 5Dimes' response to OP complaining and SBR's inquiry. If 5Dimes refuses to backdown and claims that it has a right to re-price wagers for "steam chasers" then 5Dimes is not a book worthy of betting with. Period.

If all that checks out there's only one thing to do: downgrade 5Dimes' rating to a D or F.

**RonPaul2008** · 11-16-18, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Optional

That's good info. 5D have never been badly against steam players but didn't realize you could get away with it for years. I'd guess you must have a high percentage of regualr plays in there too.

Nah, they know i'm a sharp and use my plays to adjust their lines...almost like i'm a linesman for them. My limits are very low on wnba, but halfway decent on nba.. (only 2 sports i've bet for years), delay is something like 20 seconds.

**Optional** · 11-16-18, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Nah, they know i'm a sharp and use my plays to adjust their lines...almost like i'm a linesman for them. My limits are very low on wnba, but halfway decent on nba.. (only 2 sports i've bet for years), delay is something like 20 seconds.

Ah, that makes sense.

Know a couple of others like that, who move lines and are way ahead lifetime without huge restrictions.

Think 5mike5 has or had a long delay like that on NASCAR too.

**Barrakuda** · 11-17-18, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Nah, they know i'm a sharp and use my plays to adjust their lines...almost like i'm a linesman for them. My limits are very low on wnba, but halfway decent on nba.. (only 2 sports i've bet for years), delay is something like 20 seconds.

They don't delay you if you're sharp and not betting steam..

**RonPaul2008** · 11-17-18, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Barrakuda

They don't delay you if you're sharp and not betting steam..

Betting steam is a thing that sharp bettors do.

**qsgsg** · 11-17-18, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Wohlford

Beyond that, the only thing I need to know is 5Dimes' response to OP complaining and SBR's inquiry. If 5Dimes refuses to backdown and claims that it has a right to re-price wagers for "steam chasers" then 5Dimes is not a book worthy of betting with. Period.

it's possible that there is a valid explanation like what Optional said

**Barrakuda** · 11-17-18, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Betting steam is a thing that sharp bettors do.

LOL. No.

**RonPaul2008** · 11-17-18, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Barrakuda

LOL. No.

LOL. Yes.

**Optional** · 11-17-18, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Betting steam is a thing that sharp bettors do.

I think you are under-selling yourself.

Any old nong can monitor Pinny and bet anything they see move at a slower book. You must be a bit more selective than that to be flagged sharp. Or maybe you are so fast and so comprehensive you are like an alarm for them?

**RonPaul2008** · 11-17-18, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I think you are under-selling yourself.

Any old nong can monitor Pinny and bet anything they see move at a slower book. You must be a bit more selective than that to be flagged sharp. Or maybe you are so fast and so comprehensive you are like an alarm for them?

Speed is crucial, yes. And of course you don't bet every move.

**The Kraken** · 11-17-18, 11:03 AM

Ron, this thread is actually important and you being sharp or not isn’t pertinent. Thanks for telling everyone you’re a sharp bettor but we’re all more interested in finding out what happened exactly in the OP and 5d’s explanation

**SBR Forum** · 11-17-18, 11:12 AM

This is standard policy at 5Dimes, most books actually just cancel wagers for off-market odds, which we're sure you would not prefer. It has always been the case and is clearly posted in the rules. In fact it is a policy SBR was consulted on many years ago and is more favorable to players who knowingly or unknowingly bet off-market odds.

"If a wager with an erroneous line is not voided before the game/play begins, Management reserves the right to remedy the odds to a fair market price which would have been available at the time the wager was placed. This price remedy may be applied during or after an event. Only the odds will be corrected on an erroneous line. The risk amount, applicable spread and total will always remain unchanged. A player will never benefit from betting on a clear erroneous line. Repeat offenders will not be tolerated."