Topbet payouts

**Drydin** · 08-19-17, 01:16 AM

April was their worst month on record in the NBA

Some people are giving thomorino a hard time but this is true. Also this baseball season and last football season
has been one of the worst on record i have ever seen. Iv'e seen books go to measures i have never seen before with
limiting and banning players. They don't do that unless there worried about there jobs. And that only happens if there
not holding the percentage the bigger bosses expect.

**thomorino** · 08-19-17, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Drydin

Some people are giving thomorino a hard time but this is true. Also this baseball season and last football season
has been one of the worst on record i have ever seen. Iv'e seen books go to measures i have never seen before with
limiting and banning players. They don't do that unless there worried about there jobs. And that only happens if there
not holding the percentage the bigger bosses expect.

Yeah, most books had big losses, anyone who thinks the books didn't lose money this past year and last year is a total fool. The books week comes down to sunday night and monday night football in the NFL, and favorites and overs were hitting almost every week in the NFL. The NBA playoffs were a favorite and over fest as well.

**R40** · 08-19-17, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

Lol, I use common sense and listen to Matt Holt, Jimmy Vaccaro, and others who RUN these books. Your a fool if you think the Vegas books made any money this year since January after the NBA and NFL playoffs. Do you not realize the public was betting the Patriots, Warriors, Cavs, and the over in nearly every game including in parlays and futures markets.

I have participated in and seen the results of various contests and they were very poor to say the least. No way the books had any trouble. I'm sure they had some bad months. In any case, it doesn't matter with Topbet. They are so far in the hole and have such bad lines they will never recover. We will see what happens.

**thomorino** · 08-19-17, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by R40

I have participated in and seen the results of various contests and they were very poor to say the least. No way the books had any trouble. I'm sure they had some bad months. In any case, it doesn't matter with Topbet. They are so far in the hole and have such bad lines they will never recover. We will see what happens.

Topbet doesn't set their own lines they just follow the market. I think the books will have a good year this year, Vegas isn't going to get smashed 2 years in a row.

**R40** · 08-19-17, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

Topbet doesn't set their own lines they just follow the market. I think the books will have a good year this year, Vegas isn't going to get smashed 2 years in a row.

No kidding. They don't follow it too well.

**bonzaii** · 08-19-17, 07:38 PM

I'm shocked Topbet has even lasted as long as it has. Their deposit bonuses are too good, they offer too many free bets, and they literally give away free money in their casino that you can than use to take shots at them to win big in their sportsbook.

**thomorino** · 08-19-17, 10:32 PM

I got an email from CS today that was sent to me even though I did not email them, said they were monitoring my withdrawal request, seems like this book continues to go out of its way to communicate with players waiting on payments, which I think is a good sign, although I don't expect any payments until football season.

**Drydin** · 08-21-17, 02:22 PM

Got a call from TopBet today telling me my payout request from April has been released. That tracking # will be emailed to me within next few days. I currently have 4 payout request pending 1 from April 3 from May. He specifically said only the payout from April will be included in this batch , If and when i receive check i will update.

**BigdaddyQH** · 08-21-17, 03:22 PM

I have never seen so many dumb arses in my life as there are in here. If you are stupid enough to think that Vegas lost money in the sports book last season, then I have some beach front property in Kansas to sell you. Let's get to the truth of the matter. 99% of those of you who reside in the US and use off shore books do so for several reasons. First, you all lose your collective arses, so you depend on bonuses to try and win instead your knowledge of sports, which probably would not fill a thimble. Next, many of you go for the best bonus you can get, totally forgetting that you have no recourse if that particular book decides to keep your money, as ALL of you in this thread have found out.

Now for all of you people who claim to be "high rollers", you are full of caca. If you were a real high roller, you would drag your worthless arses on a plane, fly to Vegas, talk to the Sports Book Managers at MAJOR Hotel casino's and get set up. If you have enough money to play with, the hotel stay, and/or plane trip could cost you nothing. You losers are so easy to figure out. The vast majority of you are males, 18-40, who think they know what they are doing and want to be Mr. Macho, but have no clue. It is losers like you that make myself and my friends a lot of money because you are so gullible and easy to take.

**thomorino** · 08-21-17, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

I have never seen so many dumb arses in my life as there are in here. If you are stupid enough to think that Vegas lost money in the sports book last season, then I have some beach front property in Kansas to sell you. Let's get to the truth of the matter. 99% of those of you who reside in the US and use off shore books do so for several reasons. First, you all lose your collective arses, so you depend on bonuses to try and win instead your knowledge of sports, which probably would not fill a thimble. Next, many of you go for the best bonus you can get, totally forgetting that you have no recourse if that particular book decides to keep your money, as ALL of you in this thread have found out.

Now for all of you people who claim to be "high rollers", you are full of caca. If you were a real high roller, you would drag your worthless arses on a plane, fly to Vegas, talk to the Sports Book Managers at MAJOR Hotel casino's and get set up. If you have enough money to play with, the hotel stay, and/or plane trip could cost you nothing. You losers are so easy to figure out. The vast majority of you are males, 18-40, who think they know what they are doing and want to be Mr. Macho, but have no clue. It is losers like you that make myself and my friends a lot of money because you are so gullible and easy to take.

This was the dumbest post I've read since joining SBR. I'd respond to the many stupid and ignorant arguments in this comment, but I'm quite sure I'd be wasting my time. I'm sure the books made a lot of money in NBA especially, with everyone betting underdogs and unders every game.

**Drydin** · 08-21-17, 05:35 PM

If you are stupid enough to think that Vegas lost money in the sports book last season, then I have some beach front property in Kansas

I can see the figures for my Casino i work for and the numbers aren't pretty after you account for overhead certain sports were not profitable.

If you were a real high roller, you would drag your worthless arses on a plane, fly to Vegas, talk to the Sports Book Managers at MAJOR Hotel casino's and get set up.

This is pure fantasy world nowadays. If you are a high roller not only are we not going to comp you a damn thing we are going to give you a hard time about every bet you make. We are going to track how you do and if you win we will limit you. If you continue to win depending on property you may be banned from betting on sports altogether. I will say if you are a rated slot or table games player that loses a ton of money they will comp you and put up with you winning on sports BUT only if you are a loser at something else. If you are simply a pure sports bettor none of the amenities will be afforded to you.

Let's get to the truth of the matter. 99% of those of you who reside in the US and use off shore books do so for several reasons

I reside in Las Vegas and thus have many books available to me , yet i still use offshore for a lot of my wagers. For many types of bets and sports offshore simply offers better value that Vegas cannot compete with.

**thomorino** · 08-21-17, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Drydin

I can see the figures for my Casino i work for and the numbers aren't pretty after you account for overhead certain sports were not profitable.

ers.

This is pure fantasy world nowadays. If you are a high roller not only are we not going to comp you a damn thing we are going to give you a hard time about every bet you make. We are going to track how you do and if you win we will limit you. If you continue to win depending on property you may be banned from betting on sports altogether. I will say if you are a rated slot or table games player that loses a ton of money they will comp you and put up with you winning on sports BUT only if you are a loser at something else. If you are simply a pure sports bettor none of the amenities will be afforded to you.

I reside in Las Vegas and thus have many books available to me , yet i still use offshore for a lot of my wagers. For many types of bets and sports offshore simply offers better value that Vegas cannot compete with.

This really should not be a debate, everyone knows that favorites and overs killed it in the NFL and NBA, their is no way any sportsbook could be profitable this year unless they relied nearly exclusively on sharp money, and that is not the business model. I think this discussion is interesting because it shows how stupid it is that everyone is focused on legalization. Legalization means zero, the best value will still be offshore because they have less overhead and pay less in taxes - they can offer more value to players.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

This really should not be a debate, everyone knows that favorites and overs killed it in the NFL and NBA, their is no way any sportsbook could be profitable this year unless they relied nearly exclusively on sharp money, and that is not the business model. I think this discussion is interesting because it shows how stupid it is that everyone is focused on legalization. Legalization means zero, the best value will still be offshore because they have less overhead and pay less in taxes - they can offer more value to players.

total nonsense

what if they had a player shove off 100k online on blackjack/slots/etc

are you honestly saying bookmaker lost money over the past 12 months?

here's the report for sportingbet (publicly traded)... sure looks like they made a lot of money even though their only business is online sportsbooks

http://www.gvc-plc.com/archive/pdf/GVC_Annual_Reports_2016.pdf

**R40** · 08-22-17, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

This really should not be a debate, everyone knows that favorites and overs killed it in the NFL and NBA, their is no way any sportsbook could be profitable this year unless they relied nearly exclusively on sharp money, and that is not the business model. I think this discussion is interesting because it shows how stupid it is that everyone is focused on legalization. Legalization means zero, the best value will still be offshore because they have less overhead and pay less in taxes - they can offer more value to players.

This is idiotic. Contest with 200 picks on a forum had payout with less than 52% winners on NBA. The entire field was under water with thousands of picks.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 12:02 PM

BA Team Over/Under Trends - All Games, 2016-2017

Win/Loss ATS Over/Under
Definitions

Range: 2003-2004 2004-2005 2005-2006 2006-2007 2007-2008 2008-2009 2009-2010 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 Since 2003 Since 2004 Since 2005 Since 2006 Since 2007 Since 2008 Since 2009 Since 2010 Since 2011 Since 2012 Since 2013 Since 2014 Since 2015 Since 2016 All Results
Show: All Atlantic Central Southeast Northwest Pacific Southwest Midwest
Situation: All Games After A Win After A Loss As Home Team As Away Team As Favorite As Underdog As Home Favorite As Home Underdog As Away Favorite As Away Underdog No Rest 1 Day Off 2-3 Days Off 4+ Days Off Conference Games Non-Conference Games Division Games Non-Division Games Playoff Games

Washington	58-35-2	62.4%	37.6%	+3.3
Denver	50-31-1	61.7%	38.3%	+4.2
Phoenix	50-32-0	61.0%	39.0%	+2.8
Cleveland	60-40-0	60.0%	40.0%	+4.4
San Antonio	57-40-1	58.8%	41.2%	+0.9
Portland	47-38-1	55.3%	44.7%	+1.5
LA Lakers	44-37-1	54.3%	45.7%	-0.5
Charlotte	44-38-0	53.7%	46.3%	+1.2
Minnesota	44-38-0	53.7%	46.3%	+2.4
LA Clippers	47-41-1	53.4%	46.6%	+2.0
Toronto	49-43-0	53.3%	46.7%	+0.1
Philadelphia	42-39-1	51.8%	48.1%	+0.7
Indiana	44-42-0	51.2%	48.8%	+0.6
Houston	47-45-1	51.1%	48.9%	+0.6
Memphis	43-42-3	50.6%	49.4%	+0.7
Utah	47-46-0	50.5%	49.5%	-0.3
Boston	49-48-3	50.5%	49.5%	+1.5
Milwaukee	43-43-2	50.0%	50.0%	-1.6
Brooklyn	39-40-3	49.4%	50.6%	-0.0
Orlando	39-42-1	48.1%	51.8%	+1.0
New York	39-43-0	47.6%	52.4%	+0.2
Miami	38-44-0	46.3%	53.7%	+0.1
New Orleans	37-44-1	45.7%	54.3%	-0.9
Golden State	45-54-0	45.5%	54.5%	-0.3
Okla City	38-47-2	44.7%	55.3%	-1.1
Detroit	36-45-1	44.4%	55.6%	-0.9
Sacramento	35-47-0	42.7%	57.3%	+0.8
Dallas	34-47-1	42.0%	58.0%	-2.0
Atlanta	35-50-3	41.2%	58.8%	-0.9
Chicago	34-53-1	39.1%	60.9%	-1.6

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 12:03 PM

nba overs went 657-637

so anyone that bet every over $110/100 would've lost $4370 on $142,340 worth of bets

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 12:06 PM

NBA Team ATS Trends - As Favorite, 2016-2017

Win/Loss ATS Over/Under
Definitions

Range: 2003-2004 2004-2005 2005-2006 2006-2007 2007-2008 2008-2009 2009-2010 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 Since 2003 Since 2004 Since 2005 Since 2006 Since 2007 Since 2008 Since 2009 Since 2010 Since 2011 Since 2012 Since 2013 Since 2014 Since 2015 Since 2016 All Results
Show: All Atlantic Central Southeast Northwest Pacific Southwest Midwest
Situation: All Games After A Win After A Loss As Home Team As Away Team As Favorite As Underdog As Home Favorite As Home Underdog As Away Favorite As Away Underdog No Rest 1 Day Off 2-3 Days Off 4+ Days Off Conference Games Non-Conference Games Division Games Non-Division Games Playoff Games

Okla City	32-20-1	61.5%	5.6	+0.4
Dallas	11-8-0	57.9%	4.4	-0.0
Brooklyn	4-3-0	57.1%	6.3	+3.4
Washington	29-24-1	54.7%	5.9	+0.6
Denver	20-17-0	54.0%	3.5	-1.6
Boston	38-33-0	53.5%	5.3	-0.5
Golden State	50-44-2	53.2%	12.4	+1.1
Miami	17-15-1	53.1%	5.5	+0.2
Toronto	32-29-1	52.5%	6.9	+0.3
Portland	24-22-0	52.2%	5.1	+0.4
Utah	30-28-3	51.7%	7.3	+1.1
Cleveland	39-37-4	51.3%	7.5	-0.2
Indiana	21-20-0	51.2%	4.7	-0.6
Detroit	22-21-0	51.2%	2.9	-2.1
New York	12-12-0	50.0%	0.7	-2.6
San Antonio	41-42-1	49.4%	7.3	-0.8
Charlotte	25-27-1	48.1%	4.2	-0.7
Houston	35-38-0	47.9%	7.0	-0.2
Memphis	20-22-0	47.6%	3.0	-1.8
LA Clippers	29-34-1	46.0%	6.9	-0.8
Sacramento	9-11-0	45.0%	3.3	-0.8
Milwaukee	19-25-0	43.2%	3.7	-0.9
New Orleans	12-16-0	42.9%	2.7	-1.8
Chicago	15-20-0	42.9%	3.4	-2.2
Atlanta	23-32-0	41.8%	1.2	-3.7
LA Lakers	5-7-1	41.7%	2.2	-1.0
Minnesota	14-21-0	40.0%	3.6	-1.2
Orlando	6-12-2	33.3%	0.8	-3.1
Phoenix	4-10-0	28.6%	-2.2	-6.1
Philadelphia	0-2-0	0.0%	-5.0	-6.2

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 12:07 PM

nba favorites went 638-652 (including playoffs)

anyone betting $110/100 on every favorite would've lost $7920 on $141,900 worth of bets

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 12:11 PM

nfl favorites went 135-125

anyone betting $110/100 on every favorite would've lost $250 on $28,600 worth of bets

**R40** · 08-22-17, 12:32 PM

You have fought the good fight for Topbet being a sustainable operation. But your arguments are actually negative. They were underwater going into football and things got worse. They were definitely underwater after football and things got worse.

This is not a one-time event for Topbet as you assert. You can literally steam chase Topbet using SBROdds. They have no chance.

**thomorino** · 08-22-17, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by R40

You have fought the good fight for Topbet being a sustainable operation. But your arguments are actually negative. They were underwater going into football and things got worse. They were definitely underwater after football and things got worse.

This is not a one-time event for Topbet as you assert. You can literally steam chase Topbet using SBROdds. They have no chance.

Lol at the clownfest here. I'm talking this year starting in January 2017, and we just had someone who works for the casino tell you what every serious bettor knows, recreational bettors have had their best year in decades this year and there are few if any profitable sportsbooks for 2017. I"m also not talking about the casino, slots and blackjack are casino games, they are not part of the sportsbook, which is a separate business at Vegas casinos

First, your NBA charts are worthless, do you really think that many people bet the regular season when starters were being rested an no one cared. I'm talking the playoffs, and favorites and overs ABSOLUTELY KILLED IT in the playoffs. Do you really think that many people were betting the NBA regular season heavily when everyone knew it was going to come down to 2 teams and most teams were resting starters the whole year, come on dude.

Second, in the NFL favorites and overs killed it all year, and this is a sport that is bet heavily in the regular season unlike the NBA. the Patriots were 13-3 ATS, with every game going over in the playoffs as well. The books got killed in the super bowl, especially books catering to recreational players like topbet, because Patriots backers hit straight bets, parlays, futures bets, and overs.

Third, the dumbest thing about the arguments you guys are making is that the exact reason Topbet and many recreational offshore sportsbooks are in trouble is because recreational bettors had such a great year - exactly as I said. If the books were doing that well as you guys contend, why is topbet in trouble. Its certainly not because you can bet steam, since professional bettors rarely bet at books like topbet, althoug chasing steam long-term is close to 50-50 with the juice.

I maintain IF football season goes well topbet will be fine, their are multiple reports of people being paid in the last couple weeks and this book has seen the predictable large increase in bettors for football season.

Again, I'm citing guys who run these casinos and sportsbooks. Matt Holt, Jimmy Vaccaro, and others. You are citing no one.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 01:37 PM

topbet is in trouble because they are stupid, plain and simple

they make dumb business decisions even though they have tons of squares playing there

how is a decision to give someone free money just for cancelling a withdrawal a good long-term strategy? all it does is cost them more money later.

and i guess having bad lines doesn't cost them any money because nobody is betting them

chasing steam is 50-50 with 100% bonus even if their lines are 2 points off

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 01:44 PM

NBA Team ATS Trends - Playoff Games, 2016-2017

Win/Loss ATS Over/Under
Definitions

Range: 2003-2004 2004-2005 2005-2006 2006-2007 2007-2008 2008-2009 2009-2010 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 Since 2003 Since 2004 Since 2005 Since 2006 Since 2007 Since 2008 Since 2009 Since 2010 Since 2011 Since 2012 Since 2013 Since 2014 Since 2015 Since 2016 All Results
Show: All Atlantic Central Southeast Northwest Pacific Southwest Midwest
Situation: All Games After A Win After A Loss As Home Team As Away Team As Favorite As Underdog As Home Favorite As Home Underdog As Away Favorite As Away Underdog No Rest 1 Day Off 2-3 Days Off 4+ Days Off Conference Games Non-Conference Games Division Games Non-Division Games Playoff Games

Golden State	11-6-0	64.7%	13.5	+4.2
Utah	7-4-0	63.6%	-4.7	+0.2
Boston	11-7-0	61.1%	-2.9	-1.9
Cleveland	10-7-1	58.8%	7.9	+4.5
Houston	6-5-0	54.5%	1.2	-0.7
Atlanta	3-3-0	50.0%	-1.2	+0.2
Indiana	2-2-0	50.0%	-4.0	+1.8
San Antonio	8-8-0	50.0%	1.0	+1.1
Milwaukee	3-3-0	50.0%	-0.7	+2.1
Okla City	2-3-0	40.0%	-8.6	-4.8
Washington	5-8-0	38.5%	0.0	-0.5
Memphis	2-4-0	33.3%	-8.3	-1.1
Toronto	3-6-1	33.3%	-5.7	-5.0
Chicago	2-4-0	33.3%	-6.8	-2.2
LA Clippers	2-5-0	28.6%	-1.1	-2.9
Portland	1-3-0	25.0%	-18.0	-8.0

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 01:45 PM

since we're now just talking nba playoffs...

wouldn't you know it, favorites were 39-39 ATS in the playoffs

wait i thought everyone knew every favorite covered every game in the nba playoffs? OOPS

**R40** · 08-22-17, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

I maintain IF football season goes well topbet will be fine, their are multiple reports of people being paid in the last couple weeks and this book has seen the predictable large increase in bettors for football season.

Let's hope they are depositing. Betting ain't going to do it.

**thomorino** · 08-22-17, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

since we're now just talking nba playoffs...

wouldn't you know it, favorites were 39-39 ATS in the playoffs

wait i thought everyone knew every favorite covered every game in the nba playoffs? OOPS

Yeah, a couple of points. I told you no one is betting the NBA regular season and over killed it in the playoffs. I also told you multiple industry leaders such as Matt Holt, Jimmy Vaccarro, and others, have confirmed what I said, you have no response. Topbet follows lines like everyone else, they have the same lines as other square books Bovada, GTbets, and others. Topbet just didn't have as much capital. The idea topbet or any books lines are consistently 2 points is off is absurd an stupid.

The fact that favorites went 39-39 for the entire playoffs is totally and completely irrelevant. The public mostly bets the big name teams, Warriors and Cavs, and after the first round the Warriors and Cavs covered nearly every game in the 2nd and 3rd round of the playoffs - Look at your own chart dude - with most of the games going over. Again, the books had their worst month in the NBA in decades according to multiple industry executives. The big name teams that were far more heavily bet covered the entire playoffs. Favorites and overs were cashing everyday after the first round of the playoffs. Recreational bettors are not betting Washington-Atlanta as much as Lebron and Golden State and the big names teams covered and their games went over the whole playoffs,and literally nearly every game in the 2nd and 3rd round as I said. Favorites killed it in the NBA playoffs in 3 of the 4 rounds, and most of the favorites that didn't cover consistently in the first round were teams like Atlanta that no one is betting anyways.

**R40** · 08-22-17, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

Third, the dumbest thing about the arguments you guys are making is that the exact reason Topbet and many recreational offshore sportsbooks are in trouble is because recreational bettors had such a great year - exactly as I said. If the books were doing that well as you guys contend, why is topbet in trouble. Its certainly not because you can bet steam, since professional bettors rarely bet at books like topbet, althoug chasing steam long-term is close to 50-50 with the juice.

What are the other offshore sportsbooks in trouble?

This is precisely the reason Topbet is in trouble. You can bet there without risk. You don't need to chase steam but if you want to, you can do it with ease. All you have to do is shop for lines and it is money in the bank and you get a generous bonus to boot.

**thomorino** · 08-22-17, 02:29 PM

Betislands a B rated books went under, some of the VIP books went under, a fairly decent amount of smaller books have had issues. Books are limiting more too, look at the previous individual's post. The reason topbet offered the generous bonuses they did was because they were already in trouble, they didn't suddenly offer these bonuses for no reason.

**R40** · 08-22-17, 02:32 PM

You aren't even following your own argument. We know why they offered the generous bonuses LAST football season. Those books went under years ago.

For a professional bettor, you know surprisingly little about the obvious weaknesses of Topbet.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

Betislands a B rated books went under, some of the VIP books went under, a fairly decent amount of smaller books have had issues. Books are limiting more too, look at the previous individual's post. The reason topbet offered the generous bonuses they did was because they were already in trouble, they didn't suddenly offer these bonuses for no reason.

betislands went out of business in 2012

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 02:41 PM

another point

TOPBET IS THE ONLY SPORTSBOOK ON SBR THAT WAS DOWNGRADED IN 2017

so if it was such a horrible year for online sportsbooks, why is there only 1 downgrade?

everyone else is paying fast, getting upgraded... bitcoin is the best thing that ever happened to sportsbooks... saving them tons of fees/time/effort with payouts and deposits

**Optional** · 08-22-17, 02:58 PM

I recall Readytobet being downgraded recently

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Optional

I recall Readytobet being downgraded recently

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-sites/

they aren't on the list

the only sportsbook on the sbr ratings list that received a downgrade in 2017 yet still takes deposits is topbet

**R40** · 08-22-17, 03:11 PM

Topbet is a second tier bonus book in the category of BetPhoenix group, GTBets, Americas Bookie, WagerWeb, Jazz. Those books are thriving and have no trouble paying out for any reasons.

The only book with a major problem is CRS Sportsbet which was entirely predictable.

Never even seen Readytobet mentioned and did not know they existed.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-22-17, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by R40

Topbet is a second tier bonus book in the category of BetPhoenix group, GTBets, Americas Bookie, WagerWeb, Jazz. Those books are thriving and have no trouble paying out for any reasons.

The only book with a major problem is CRS Sportsbet which was entirely predictable.

Never even seen Readytobet mentioned and did not know they existed.

r40 have you ever played at mybookie?

they're offering me 300% bonus and $100 bet on mayweather fight

not sure i want to have 5-10k there... would love an opinion from you and/or optional