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This is a bunch of crap. When Pinny puts up a line they could care less which side you bet. And that goes for the future lines on the same event. It is up to Pinny to put up numbers and up to the customer to choose the side. Any complaint by Pinnacle is total BS. This goes for any "Real" book. Which is getting next to impossible to find these days.
If Pinnacle cannot manage to put up 2 way numbers they should just hang it up.Comment -
Line manipulation is making a bet for the sole purpose of moving the line. Lets say you are betting under in an NBA line at 196.5. Your personal line is 194 so you max bet it. Maybe you bet it again at 195.5. All the sudden the line is at 192. Maybe you moved it because you're sharp or you are a big hitter or maybe others bet it too. Maybe the book just realized they were off market. Well now its advantageous to bet it the other way, you bet the over. You are looking for any number that puts you above vig. In this case, an NBA total, its about 2 points different than what you believe is the right line (calc) . This should be fine. You are playing a real market. At a recreational book like Bodog it will probably get you da boot since you aren't gambling. At Pinnacle, its welcome.
Now if you bet into an empty market, which depending on the book may be managed by automation, for the sole reason of moving the line, youre gonna be considered a pain in the ass. Example: Someone keeps betting under the total on 3rd division soccer as soon it the line comes out. They re-bet it it at tiny amounts to see if the amount of one-sided bets will move it. Maybe they bet it bigger to get a bigger % of money on one side. Then once the line moves once, or moves multiple times after rinse and repeating, the player hammers the other side for all he can. If he wants to stretch the limits further (pun intended) he has a buddy hit it at the same time. A lot of people complain about limits on small markets... well, it's this kind of player that causes the books to protect themselves with smaller limits than they like.Comment -
I haven't looked into this player's account but Im told Pinnacle has warned players who do this in the past and the ones that continue end up having to redeem their full balance. Pinnacle advertises arbers and traders are welcome on their site. That's still the case.Comment -
It is definitely possible to do what Bill is saying, but Pinny will shut you down quite rightly.
And if you use an agent you will lose big $$$.
Pinny is good enough, arguably the best bookmaker on the planet, dont even think about trying to abuse them!Comment -
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Yes, all the risks Dealer Wins mentioned plus more.
You will be dealing with a unregulated third party who will not look into any issues you might have with any of their books. (not that I think that is a big thing as books like Pinny rarely leave grading errors un-fixed anyway)
Premium Tradings and Asianconnect88 are both run with an Asian cultural set of values. If they think you are cheating them in any way they are known to confiscate balances. And grey area stuff like you have been doing could easily be seen as cheating by them. I would not take a bonus there personally, just to avoid any possibility of accusations about it later.
But that said, a lot of arbers with big balances use both and we do not see many problems reported..Comment -
I followed your advice telling them i had no bad intention and asking them clearly what is bothering them so that i don't repeat it again, but as expected their answer was very clear:
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Dear Client,
This is to inform you that the the decision has been made by our Management and it will not be overturned. "
I never would have expected that from Pinnacle, the only bookmaker where i felt secured from being limited or banned... Pinnacle has changed...Comment -
When they contacted me initialy (the first time they temporarely suspended wagering for my account, some months ago), they asked me many question about by bets and my strategy of betting and i had to provide answers to have my account "unblocked". i have nothing no hide so i answered all their questions (even if i was not very happy to have to explain them my strategies...) and immediately after they had restaured wagering on my account.Comment -
I use the VPN for Pinny and their new "offline" BS is crazy. You place a bet and says offline/offline for that match. For years was never like that.Comment -
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I am also interested in the opportunity to put through brokers. And your message is very disturbing. Explain that may mean, "they might think that the client is cheating on them?" After all, with this approach there can be no grounds for the confiscation of balance. There must be a legitimate reason for the seizure.
Maybe you have examples of such decisions in relation to clients of brokers?Comment -
Sportsbooks can but Pinnacle can not. I remember their publicity: "we never close an account, we never limit players"...
Liars !
In this story, Pinnacle will never give an explanation because they were just beaten by much stronger than them.
Pinnacle could admit that they need to eject the embarrassing gamblers, like all other sportsbooks. But they will never do that, because they do not want to sully their image. So their only solution is to shut up. They are just a little more crafty than the others. That's all.
The end of a myth? The myth has never existed, it was just an illusion.Last edited by zikko; 10-16-15, 09:38 PM.Comment -
What you, and most Western players, think of as "no grounds for confiscation" can differ from what they consider a legitimate reason. But I am only talking about a small handful of cases. Neither AC or PT have shown a regular pattern of trying to cheat players. They have just ruled more harshly than I think is fair on couple of occasions over the last 2 years.
Basically, don't mess with them at all. Don't try to find angles to make money through system flaws. Don't muck around with bonuses in any other way than just betting them. And if one of their books comes back and says you have done something wrong, don't expect ANY help from them to resolve it.
They offer a useful service but also carry higher risk than dealing direct with the book..Comment -
AC or PT or any other agent only open an account for you, they are paid based on volume you create with your bets. They never take actions against you. They dont care what you bet, how you bet ETC... If you play unfair you will get into troubles with the bookie only. Agents will not help you, they can't help you anyway. And BTW limits in PT or AC are same as in regular accounts, you also move the lines if you are using the agents. So line manipulating is possible but you are risking a confiscation.Comment -
HAREEBA defend Pinnacle from ZIKKO , earned your paycheckSportsbooks can but Pinnacle can not. I remember their publicity: "we never close an account, we never limit players"... Liars !
In this story, Pinnacle will never give an explanation because they were just beaten by much stronger than them.
Pinnacle could admit that they need to eject the embarrassing gamblers, like all other sportsbooks. But they will never do that, because they do not want to sully their image. So their only solution is to shut up. They are just a little more crafty than the others. That's all.
The end of a myth? The myth has never existed, it was just an illusion.
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You are the forum's biggest fool.
If you were to do the slightest bit of research before posting ignorant trash you'd find that over the past 18 months or so I've posted many more criticisms of Pinnacle Sports than praises or defences of their actions.
So much so that I refuse to play there anymore!
Furthermore, in this thread I've questioned whether Pinnacle issued a warning to the OP before closing him down. I think they should have but the OP hasn't really answered that point.Comment -
Looks like pinny has no intention of letting uk players playing there
Time to look elsewhereComment
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