what lies? ive been completely honest... she knows tennis...she made the plays...i dont have an account with them...we're just friends...all truth...
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not siding with anyone here. But what I see is hrwager is a small time pph who shat themselves losing 1200 from 250 deposit.Comment -
they got nothing...she didnt do nothing...they just didnt want to pay the 1200 and when they saw it was a woman they went into ****hole mode trying everything in the book so that they wouldnt have to pay....Comment -
she didnt do nothing...im here cuz i recommended them...she doesnt deserve this just because she knows me and i told her about HR...she made the plays...she knows tennis...just cuz a bunch of crooks do double bonuses all the time doesnt mean that a woman cant bet on sports and win....she won..that money is hers....Comment -
their "theory" is that i made the plays for her which is false...tell SBR to do a skype with her...shes knows *****ing tennis!!! shes a better tennis handicapper than most of these idiots on here posting losing records....Comment -
how do u recommend a book that you're not familiar with personally?Comment -
because of what i read on here.. and because she said she wanted a bonus...Comment -
thats exactly what she said. she wanted to bet on tennis..and she asked if there where any free plays she could get...we had a child together its not like shes completely clueless..shes just never done it before...but thats impossible right?? im just trying to do what??? trying to get what??? i aint doubling **** i dont even have an account with them... and by the way she obviously knows wtf shes doing!!!Comment -
George from HR WagerReagan is the owner of another site.Ill tell you what Reagan, tomorrow morning I will offer both of them the same deal I had offered in the morning. if Hoyos admits that he was controlling her account and placing the bets I will pay her the $1218 minus the rollover penalty, about $193 since it`s 20% of $968 and minus the payout fees (no free payouts).
If he doesnt admits it he will only get the deposit back minus the fees. You will see that the guy will say no, he thinks I did all of this to prevent her from meeting the rollover.Comment -
HRWagerOnce again, I'm not taking a side, just passing along information.It`s a long story but first she admited that she placed some bets on soccer and horses after trying to get off the phone. Then when asked about her casino action she hung up. Her excuse was that she was at work.
When she called back 15 mins later, she had gotten her story straight and demanded to get paid in full and said we had tricked her. We made her the first offer. Then we called her back and asked her if she was at work why did she have the same ip loggings at very late and very early hours. She accepted that she lied to us and accepted that DeHoyos helped her with some bets. We offered her the same deal, told her if she would accept that she was not the person in charge we would still pay her in full and she just said she was going to the sbr and hung up.
She admitted that she wasnt at work and only said that she did not wanted to talk to us because we were harrasing her, she was the one that called...
The rest you know.
It`s clear that someone else was using an account that is under her name, this person might not have an account with us but she did not control her account. That is the bottom line. I told her to accept it and be over it and she was advised to do the opposite.
They were making max bets since their deposit was for $250 and they had a $250 limit.Comment -
HRWagerShe did not place the bets. If you have an account and you buy your picks from a tout would I close the account? Absolutely not. My point is that she did not have control over the account. If she would be the only person placing the bets she would clearly know what bets were placed, if the casino was accessed, etc.Comment -
First of all I want to tell my side of the story. I recieved my income tax and I asked my close friend on how to sports bet on tennis because I know alot about tennis and I had a extra amount of money I could spend. I just didn't know how the numbers worked with the points spreads etc. Yes i used to date him in the past and yes we had a child together so i knew about the freeplays and so i asked him advice on who to join with because he knows all the spreads etc. So i knew he wouldn't steer me wrong. All the picks i made were mine. I am a pro at tennis. I know everything there is to know about tennis except the spreads. The money was mine not his. Tennis is my favorite sport. I called in to make a payout and they told me that i had only 8400 out of 11000 was done that i had to go back and finish the rollover. I said ok and they said they left me a message in my acct. Then today i tried to log on from my cell phone and it said to call customer service so i called and they asked me off the wall questions like are you doing horse racing and the casinos? I was thrown off i thought maybe they thought i was someone else. I was a little confused. I have done tennis and basketball only they proceeded to tell me my ip address has been used in colorado and california which is bullshit I have never lived in those places nor traveled there and then they were saying someone is making the picks for me again, thats bullshit, there's nothing wrong with asking for advice. I clicked the mouse nobody else touched it. You can ask me any question about tennis and any player and i know everything, there is nothing i dont know. I won most of my winnings on tennis matches. They said either i tell the truth on whos helping me or I get nothing. They were very ugly to me I don't appreciate being talked to that way I am not a criminal. I could see them having a case with this if he had made the picks for me but i did this all myself why is it so hard to believe that a woman could win. He told me this type of thing could happen so that's why he recommend me to a place where he does not have an acct. I felt like i was being police interrogated on the phone and it freaked me out because I have ptsd. Its not fair what they are doing to me I watched and studied every single one of those matches I know what I am doing believe it or not. I go by head to heads and style of play. I used to be a tennis player in middle school and high school. I don't understand why they did this. I am an expert when it comes to tennis. I had a bookmaker acct one time. I just didnt know all the rules this is my only second acct ever! Why am i being picked on? I should have the same rights as any other man. I am a very smart woman who deserves to be respected. Its not fair that I am being treated this way.Comment -
I also do not appreciate someone going on my private social media such as my facebook. I have not been on facebook in months since my daughter passed away last year. Its nobody's business to be looking at my private things that's against my privacy and Its very offensive to me. I do not want anyone seeing any of my personal posts about my child or any pictures all because HR wants to know who I am what are they private investigators working for the police? This is bullshit. I have not committed any crimes.Comment -
I only said that to tell them what they wanted to hear. They were very overbearing. They were saying if I don't admit to it I get nothing. They blocked me in the corner. I only work 3 days a week that's why I am up at five in the morning for these tennis matches.Comment -
Ok fine I admit it... I made some of the picks, not all of them. she does know tennis... Now give her back her money please..Thats all shes asking for..Comment -
lol what a chump scammer...run along palComment -
how did we scam them? They are scamming us...Comment -
it cant be a scam if we have nothing to gain by it....we just want them to do what is right....Comment -
ReaganThat's a fair offer George. The ball will be in their court...if they want to keep up the act then screw them.Comment -
This is appearing to be a bit murkier than it looked at first.
From the re-posts of George's explanation it now appears that she never said she used the casino and the conversation about the race book could possibly be a simple communication breakdown.
One troubling issue for me is that I find it very hard to believe that after 15 minutes of coaching anyone who had not been using the betting account could correctly answer proper verification questions as to whether they controlled the account.
From dealing with complaints it's almost impossible for someone who has not been using the account to be convincing when quizzed about it. There is just too many questions that can be asked to be coached up to get everything correct.
Also, if DeHoyas is not and has never been a member of HRwager, then it's hard to see how his relationship and tips to the other person should be relevant (unless he is shown to be part of a wider syndicate with her).
It sounds like she probably was a gnome account but the more I see posted the more I wonder if she is being treated 100% fairly.
"Probably" really isn't enough to confiscate an account balance in my opinion. If the book is less than sure then it should be full balance (pro rated) paid out and account closed, admission or not. Otherwise if they are sure, just deposit back. No in-between..Comment -
Respectfully Opti, bullsh*t. OP already fessed up to lying, so no credibility there. "Friend" was offered a more than fair resolution, full payment minus unmet rollover, but pride overruled common sense. She's "new" to this, but knows enough to ask about bonuses. It's obvious he was making the picks, so I ask again why not open the account in his name? Fishy all the way around.Comment -
Definitely fishy. And the way DeHoyas has been acting it's very easy to just assume if it smells bad it is.
And it does seem strange to post admissions if you have done nothing wrong but we can't really take them seriously as fact when they have been forced from them with the threat of not being paid otherwise.
Was just trying to be fair. If the woman could genuinely answer all questions correctly just 15 mins after the first phone call then logically she is either the actual account user or HR did not ask the right questions..Comment -
You just confirmed what we already know. Thanks.Comment -
guy is guilty as sin..."But she knows her tennis!!"
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If he/she had lost the money, would the book of refunded the initial deposit? I mean it was a female afterall and how dare a female bet on sports. Would they have called her to ask her questions and when she had no clue how to answer, would they have said "well looks like you have a refund coming your way" or would they of hung up quickly and snickered, or not even bothered calling at all, because they lost?
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HR wager not bad for $100 player or less
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it does not take a genius to figure out that they are married or related...nice try palComment -
Brilliant! Now back to the question. Is it common for a book to wait until payout time to bring these matters up? Why would they bring up the fact that they sense something shady, when they are "freerolling" the player? Is that it? Let him lose the money and hopefully they don't ********** or let them win and don't pay them, because they have some info they've had since the account was opened?Comment -
Sorry wasn't directing it towards you or hrwager, there are 2 mods in the thread was hoping to hear their thoughtsComment -
It's normal for books to look into accounts when a withdrawal is requested. Imagine how many accounts sign up and never withdraw and all the extra staff time needed to pointlessly investigate each one.
Also when would you expect them to look at an account's betting activity? Within the first week and then never look at it again?
It's not a case of free rolling or anything else. Looking at an account before the money is transferred is just the obvious time it has to be looked at..Comment -
In my experience it varies on when it is noticed. Account was only 10 days old so I dont know when they noticed it but the window is not very large. I've actually known people to get away with it for much longer than 10 days some months or even years. As for this particular incident here, I dont know as I was not given the info of when they became suspicious of the account in question.
In my opinion its a tough situation that does not present itself with a very clear answer one way or another. I'll be honest, I don't have a 100% solution and nobody does that will make everyone see it their way. Gnoming will continue to be a problem for offshores as long as there are limited/banned or whatever type of players that are not desired by certain books.
Honestly, he/she would have probably been paid had he taken my initial private advice and shut up while myself or optional handled it but instead her "friend" decided to go nuts and continue to make the situation worse. This guy DeHoyos has made it really tough to make any progress as at this point the books incentive to work with the player are minimal as the bad publicity is already out here and most have already made up there mind one way or the other. If they are indeed friends then the player in question really should choose a better advocate in the event she needs help in the future.Comment
