BetJoint joins the CRIS family

InTheHole · 03-26-09, 12:47 PM

wow

Mudcat · 03-26-09, 12:59 PM

REally? No offense but I do not necessarily jump because someone I don't know posts something on a public forum.

Corroboration?

InTheHole · 03-26-09, 01:02 PM

The guy works for the book

Mudcat · 03-26-09, 01:05 PM

I just did some checks it's true. It is clearly announced at betjoint.com.

I spoke to CS and they say it will be all done in a couple of hours and I didn't need to do anything. I will have the same account and password.

I asked if BetJoint would have the same lines as Bookmaker now and the CS person didn't know.

Mudcat · 03-26-09, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

I will have the same account and password.

To clarify, I will still have the same Betjoint account number and password. The account is not being merged with my existing Bookmaker account.

As I think about it, that doesn't seem right but that's what I was told.

SBR Lou · 03-26-09, 01:23 PM

For now, players can log into their account at Bookmaker.com with their Betjoint login and password.

BetCRIS has informed SBR that they will be putting the Betjoint URL up to start, so that Betjoint players would be able to log into the Betjoint domain and access Bookmaker that way, without having to be redirected.

magnavox · 03-26-09, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

As I think about it, that doesn't seem right but that's what I was told.

Why is that? That happened in the past. Rich Coast Sports, if I remember correctly. There is a possible problem however... RCS's database was compromised; can anyone in the know confirm if sensitive data is safe this time or are players in the need to change their passwords?

Mudcat · 03-26-09, 02:00 PM

Yeah that also happened with the BETonSPORTS bailout by CRIS. Some players had multiple accounts running simultaneously. That may have been partly due to the fact that the one account with the BOS funds had big rollovers while the existing account would be at a different status.

I think those all got merged eventually. Well I'm not sure. My thinking was that they wouldn't want players with multiple accounts when bonuses were being promoted.

I guess people with outstanding rollovers at BetJoint will still have those after the merger too.

Not sure about any of this.

Fizzz · 03-26-09, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by magnavox

Why is that? That happened in the past. Rich Coast Sports, if I remember correctly. There is a possible problem however... RCS's database was compromised; can anyone in the know confirm if sensitive data is safe this time or are players in the need to change their passwords?

Passwords and account numbers will remain the same unless the customer wants otherwise.

magnavox · 03-26-09, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Fizzz

Passwords and account numbers will remain the same unless the customer wants otherwise.

That is not the issue I was referring to.

Mudcat · 03-26-09, 03:24 PM

Overall, I have mixed feelings. Betjoint was a unique out - and those are good to have around. They always stayed on top of payouts - and that's not something you can say of everyone.

I suspect JOINT will end up now with their lines cloned with either Bookmaker or DSI.

If it's Bookmaker, that will be a drag because BetJoint had quite good dime lines for baseball ML's, where Bookmaker has the almost pointless 20 centers.

But I guess if BetJoint is doing this, there must be a reason and they weren't holding up quite as well as they would have liked. So better a merge with CRIS than some darker fate.

dark star · 03-26-09, 05:11 PM

I really liked Betjoint with their -107 & quick pay outs,opinionated lines

This sucks.

Dark Horse · 03-26-09, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

I know a mouse and he hasn't got a house I don't know why I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old but he's a good mouse

Good to know you called him Gerald. And not Spencer Baccus. But from time to time do check the smell. If you click him, he could lose your house as well.

shantystar · 03-26-09, 06:04 PM

rock solid book as far i know.

Igetp2s · 03-26-09, 09:51 PM

BetJoint was not a trustworthy book. They had a plan in place to sponsor NFL contests at various forums, then not paying out prizes by claiming they didn't get the number of signups they wanted.

Not quite sure what's in it for Bookmaker to be associated with those shenanigans.

Fizzz · 03-26-09, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by magnavox

That is not the issue I was referring to.

Regarding the sensitive personal information? It has all been transferred to our Database

aggie · 03-27-09, 10:32 AM

WTF, i just received email confirmation from bookmaker and there is A THREE TIME ROLLOVER on funds!!! this looks like a bailout and sucks badly

i have 7k there, all of that was clear of any rollover and I tried to withdraw my balance for close to 2 months. all i got was excuses! and now i'm supposed to turn over 20k?!

i would like mark roberts and SBR explain

Fizzz · 03-27-09, 11:06 AM

Just did on your other thread

Casi · 03-27-09, 02:11 PM

Did Joint go broke?
Or did Bookmaker just feel like taking them over?

Mudcat · 04-03-09, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Mudcat

To clarify, I will still have the same Betjoint account number and password. The account is not being merged with my existing Bookmaker account.

It actually did get merged so now I just have the one Bookmaker account. My old BetJoint login is gone.

and · 04-06-09, 06:18 PM

what is SBR's opinion on the 3x rollover?
If you had no rollover at Betjoint it is a real PITA.

Halifax · 04-06-09, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by and

what is SBR's opinion on the 3x rollover?
If you had no rollover at Betjoint it is a real PITA.

While it may be a pain in the ass, the reality of the situation is that BetJoint was probably insolvent and unable to pay out full balances to their players.

Normally, a book that acquires / takes over another book only applies a rollover if the book that was taken over was insolvent. So in effect, CRIS/Bookmaker is probably doing you a bit of a favour, and the alternative to the 3x rollover at CRIS/Bookmaker is that you likely wouldn't be paid (certainly not paid in full) by BetJoint.

If the deal was a pure purchase / acquisition of a going concern, then you normally wouldn't be required to do a rollover.

Mudcat · 04-07-09, 09:26 AM

I agree with that. I had a bit of rollover at BetJoint. Now, because I had been winning at JOINT and had a much larger amount transferred over, I have considerably more rollover at Bookmaker. Like probably 15K+ more.

But I really ain't complaining. I might have come pretty close to disaster here.

dark star · 04-07-09, 07:05 PM

It certainly could have been worse.

CS-MARIO · 04-08-09, 06:14 PM

Bookmaker didn't just take over the book, They took their debt and all the customers. This is why the 3 x rollover was placed. It's pretty fair i think, if Bookmaker hadn't done that I beleive it would have been a lot worse since nobody would have gotten paid.

Fizzz · 04-08-09, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by CS-MARIO

Bookmaker didn't just take over the book, They took their debt and all the customers. This is why the 3 x rollover was placed. It's pretty fair i think, if Bookmaker hadn't done that I beleive it would have been a lot worse since nobody would have gotten paid.

Very correct... Besides we are offering our new customers much more options to withdraw... our loyalty program that gets them free payouts and cash backs... the sweepstakes and much more cool stuff...

and · 04-09-09, 04:28 PM

Mario & Fizzz:

were there any cases when Bookmaker reconsidered and lowered the rollover for the transferred betjoint balance? It can be quite painful if one already lost a big chunk of that balance during the rollover and still has a gigantic rollover left.
You can also PM me.

Fizzz · 04-09-09, 07:51 PM

Unfortunately no... roll over was determined by management as part of the deal... This may sound harsh... but if you come to think of it... you will get the chance of getting your funds from a solid company such as CRIS...

aggie · 04-11-09, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Fizzz

you will get the chance of getting your funds from a solid company such as CRIS...

you told me the same thing and i will receive NOTHING

j0hnnyv · 04-12-09, 12:25 PM

when is cris going to step up to the plate and compete with bases? 20cent lines? cmon man.

potless · 04-12-09, 06:42 PM

or give a decent 'free' payout to moneybookers - $2500 max - ain't much for a solid book.