What grade would you give bookmaker.com?

[cinpls081]

Yes, it's far easier to win at sportsbook.com, but when you win at Bookmaker they actually pay you. Sharp lines should not factor into the grading process otherwise pinnacle would be an F and SIA would be A+.[/quote]


I have had won many times and always have been paid. Bookmakers lines are horrible they can't be an A...

[durito]

Explain what a "horrible line" is.

That you have always been paid, does not excuse the millions they've stolen from other people, or would you like to share and help some of those people out.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

I believe the site is well intentioned but lacks enough staff for an effective cs operation. There is a limited amount of manaagement there when you need them and their poker software is not even close to being in the top 90%, honest. But I believe money there is safe and you will get paid and that has a large part to do with their grade. Your situations will be resolved but a week is a long time to even hear from a manager in my situation. I just wanted to add though that jazette and sportsbook.com are crap unless you are ready to wait three months to get paid, hopefully. SB has taken players money which is outright fraud. So be serious if you want to get an issue across. Sportsbook cannot be taken seriously that is why I cannot believe a word in that post.

[WileOut]

A+

[Spanks]

Hey Fizz...as you can see...many people think Bookmakers lines are really high and stink...getting like Bodog now...I agree...

[ijustwant2bpaid]

wile out... no mod input allowed due to obvious reasons!

[cinpls081]

a sharp lines is not = -140 and +120 in a baseball game and -40 and +10 on prop bets. That is a rip off.

there lines suck I don't know how anyone can dispute that. They are not A+ Pinny is A+

[cinpls081]

to me bookmaker is just as guilty -40 and +20 in a basball game you win less and lose more. how is that not a rip off. If they did in fact steal why are they rated c- here?

[cinpls081]

i have been paid in less then 24 hours for months with sportsbook.com they do have the best options on the planet and they have good lines. Waiting for months? I have been paid for YEARS with them and YES sometimes I have to wait but for months on end EZ pay with ***. If I had to choose one it would be no question to me I'd take sportsbook.com well becasue I like to win and its really hard to lose at that place if you know what you are doing. Also Carib and sportsbetting are better IMO. I do use bookmaker for some outs but very rarly and YES your money is safer (not safe) Again to me they are a C/C-.

[durito]

OK, so will you share some of your sportsbook.com winnings with the people they stole from last year?

[Stumpage]

cinpls081, no matter what viewpoint or argument you raise here, the simple fact that you do it while at the same time praising the virtues of sportsbook.com means you are delusional at best.

[WileOut]

wile out... no mod input allowed due to obvious reasons!

I'm not a mod. I don't work for SBR at all. I don't work for any sportsbooks either. Just giving my opinion.

[cinpls081]

cinpls081, no matter what viewpoint or argument you raise here, the simple fact that you do it while at the same time praising the virtues of sportsbook.com means you are delusional at best.

Well I PROMISE you that I have been paid in Full from them and have been paid quickly for some time since 9/1/08. I did have so issues with them back over the summer but I HAVE NEVER NOT BEEN PAID and believe me I make $$ there because you have to be an idiot not to. (my issues with bookmaker is more with how HORRIBLE there lines are they are the worst.)

Durito... Do I want to share my winnings? No, I took the risk of putting my money in sportsbook.com and have been paid in full so therefore I get to reep the benifits. Its play at your own risk no matter where you put your money. Last time I checked NO BOOK was FDIC therefore NO BOOK is safe. Again bookmaker has never stolen from me and either has sportsbook.com therefore I side with the book that CLEARLY has better odds across the board...Is it OK to have a different opinion then that of someone else here?

[trixtrix]

my friends are rapists.

however i have never been raped by them.

therefore my friends are good people.

[cinpls081]

I have been cheated more by bookmaker then sportsbook.com End of story. That is my experience. Why all the hate its just my opinion. I think both are flawed.

Honestly most of the time players are taking advantage of the book and you only hear half the story. Play by the rules and you will be fine with sportsbook.com

For example last night there was a Bet that was still on the board after the game had started at sportsbook.com I could have bet it and made a TON of money. But I knew that was #1 not ethical and #2 something that could have put my account in a really bad situation. Did I do it NO and today if they took ALL of my winnings OH WELL but I don't do those sorts of things. BTW I could have made 12K last night past-posting but I know the value of having an out like sportsbook.com and over time I will clean up and my account will not be shut down (limited yes) but steal my money? I don't think so....

[tomcowley]

Prop bet: You have never been cheated by bookmaker parlayed with sportsbook.com has stolen from people who didn't break any rule.

[Fizzz]

Money outright stolen from players:

Bookmaker group: $0

Sportsbook.com group: A few million $


Yes, it's far easier to win at sportsbook.com, but when you win at Bookmaker they actually pay you. Sharp lines should not factor into the grading process otherwise pinnacle would be an F and SIA would be A+.

THANK YOU Durito... couln't have put it better myself...
It is funny to see how could you rather place a wager quickly than have your funds in quick. I do realize that sometimes we cannot plan ahead and deposit when WE HAVE TIME... not minutes before... still I would be doing this all the time... depositing like 5 seconds before... ANYHOW... we ensure the safety of your funds...
The maximum deposit with a credit card is $500 either on the phone or not... that is the maximum that the processor takes

[Fizzz]

I have been cheated more by bookmaker then sportsbook.com End of story.

Cheated?
Could you please be a lil more specific?

[trixtrix]

Prop bet: You have never been cheated by bookmaker parlayed with sportsbook.com has stolen from people who didn't break any rule.

bet on YES for max limit pls

[ijustwant2bpaid]

sorry wrong wile...

[trixtrix]

!!#$@#%&^!!

WTF MAN???!!

are you out of your mind? why would you even offer that option? if not just for the sake of the poor customer and/or cs who just happens to type in the wrong book name in the transfer request??

**basically, this is akin to going into an elevator w/ buttons marked for the lobby, floors 1-4, and another button marked "PLUMMET AND CRASH!" now, i know i'm unlikely to ever press the plummet button except by mistake, but just the fact that button exists scares the crap out of me. b/c there is no logical reason for that particular button's existence in the first place!

see things like that just make no logical sense from a cs pt of view..

and i know you guys don't set the xfer fees but express it to management that 100 per xfer is outrageous! 35-50$ would prolly be more optimal

additionally, why is it that you guys only offer bonuses on **/** deposits, but NOT for book to book xfer deposits? you do realize that **/** actually costs money for the house while book to book xfers does not...

i think i finally understand what's going on now... let me take a random gander at this one, lenny ran up a huge balance on mickey back when both books were "legit" and still did book-to-book transfers, since lenny became a no-pay, mickey cannot collect of what cascade owes bookmaker

so instead of writing off the loss, bookmaker still accepts out-going "transfers" to cascade b/c everytime a customer do that, bookmaker nets out the transfer amount from what is owed to them from cascade, so instead of the cris taking the it on the chin, it's the customers

amirite?

[soxwin1917]

B+...certainly not A+

[DeluxeLiner]

those calls sure are annoying

[RickySteve]

Fizzz perfectly exemplifies why CRIS has the worst customer service. To a man, they're defensive, incompetent, condescending, unyielding, bureaucratic...

You have to love CRIS for what they are though.

[BubbleBobble]

We only offer the option to the customer... that is all...
And what do you mean with the last sentence?

Old bump, but this is really disturbing...so they offered transfers to a "book" that will steal that money to 99%.

Honestly i cannot believe what i just read here, you ONLY OFFER IT?
Do those idiots at BM have no common sense...some peeps might not be aware of the situation at Cascade. This is unbelievable.

[Jak]

B,maybe worse depending on how the next few days go.

[sinkhole]

site is very slow
crappy odds
B

[Waiting4Godot]

My only real issue with BookMaker is... payouts. Being a US based player and taking out something under $1,000... the only real way I have is a check -- with no way to expedite/overnight it. I'd happily pay some small fee to get a real FedEx/UPS/DHL tracking number and get the check in a timely fashion.

Case in point.. I did a 'free' withdrawal last Friday... the money was taken out of my account that day (good!), but so far Customer Service can't give me any tracking information (wtf??)... I'm supposed to have the check in hand next week -- 7 to 10 business days from last Friday. I'm sort of stuck in limbo hoping it shows up with no way to know or track it down.

I know there's a new payout option of FNBPAY, but I'm leery about using it. It's setup with the First National Bank in Mexico or something like that. I'd love to hear if anyone has had good/bad experiences with it.

[Waiting4Godot]

site is very slow

I hear this a lot and don't get the complaint. Perhaps I'm somehow special, but the site is rarely slow. Sure the whole security check thing is a bit annoying, but not a big deal. I much, much prefer being able to check Tennis, NBA, and NHL options and seeing all the games on one screen. At The Greek (use to check odds), it's a real pain to sort out which games I want to play.

[HedgeHog]

A- They pay, but they're full juice. Solid Book.

[HedgeHog]

dupe post.