Time for the Books to Give Back to the Player

[St.Aquinas]

I've already proved my case and my notes show it. It would take hours to post all of the information I have and convert it to online from notes.



Ha ok. Seriously grow up with this comment. I am not hear asking anything for you nor do I expect you to feel sorry for me. I am just trying to prove a point and make a case. 95% of the books are out there to scam the players and it's time the players fought back.

What have you proved Rick? Nothing...

[St.Aquinas]

Not at all. 2500 hands at three books was more than enough to prove my point. Also after doing more research it's quite obvious there are chances a pattern could be detected and the so called random card generator could be false as well. This just proves to me even more that the casinos online are rigged or have something set in place. Everyone always says the "house" has the edge over the player, online, indeed they do. I would love for a sportsbook to let me have access to the software so I could look at the coding. If they were truly legit, then they would have no problems providing me a copy as long as I were not to use it for any other reason.

Perfect! You just proved you know nothing about what your saying, and you have proved nothing!

Amazing!

Get a copy of your hand history that include all three books which also includes your bet size then we can shed light into your claims.

[Rick_UCONN]

Send the data to Ganchrow.

Once I get everything off paper and onto my computer, I will be more than happy for him to review my findings. I would love to have his input and thoughts on what I have found.

[Rick_UCONN]

Perfect! You just proved you know nothing about what your saying, and you have proved nothing!

Amazing!

Get a copy of your hand history that include all three books which also includes your bet size then we can shed light into your claims.

I guess you forgot to read. In another post I made in this thread, I stated that every hand that was played a copy of the hand history was saved. Tons of information based on the size of the bet, what cards were dealt and what the house did whether they hit or stayed on the hand. The same goes for the player of course.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

I guess you forgot to read. In another post I made in this thread, I stated that every hand that was played a copy of the hand history was saved. Tons of information based on the size of the bet, what cards were dealt and what the house did whether they hit or stayed on the hand. The same goes for the player of course.

Means nothing.

What was your total wagers placed, net loss, total number of hands, which casinos, and which game types?

That's all that matters - with the house edge and standard deviation known, it's easy to calculate the range of reasonable outcomes, probability of a particular level of loss etc.

[durito]

It's amazing what percentage of bettors think online casinos are rigged, considering it's never (outside of a few rouge books i think) been proven at all.

it doesn't make any sense.

they don't need to cheat people. they already have the ****ing edge. of course you are going to lose.

[Rick_UCONN]

It's amazing what percentage of bettors think online casinos are rigged, considering it's never (outside of a few rouge books i think) been proven at all.

it doesn't make any sense.

they don't need to cheat people. they already have the ****ing edge. of course you are going to lose.

What edge does the house have over the player? Honestly? Generally speaking in a game of blackjack, the odds should be 50/50 with random cards drawn from the deck. Yes we all know the house has the advantage, but what real advantage do they have?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

What edge does the house have over the player? Honestly? Generally speaking in a game of blackjack, the odds should be 50/50 with random cards drawn from the deck. Yes we all know the house has the advantage, but what real advantage do they have?

The rules determine the house edge:

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html

[Rick_UCONN]

The rules determine the house edge:
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/ho...alculator.html

Most this is based off actual in house blackjack tables such as live in Vegas or Atlantic City. Using a live dealer you are able to watch the hands being dealt to you from the shoe. Online that is not the case. You are relying on software to be "honest" that the sportsbook has setup to deal your hand. This is a huge gap when the sportsbook has first hand at the software before it's ever used on the player. The sportsbook has constant access to this software and can change it if they needed to. With live cards being dealt the house does not have this option. Two totally different situations with a software generated game and one being played at a blackjack table sitting in front a dealer in Vegas.

If you honestly think the software the sportsbooks online use to create online casinos has not been tweaked or messed with, then you are blinded by your own stupidity. Put it like this....would you trust any random clerk at the sportsbook to hold $5000 for you? Do you not realize how easy it is for a sportsbook to hire some geek, programmer, or anyone that knows a little bit about coding and how programs to work to create the software to where the house has the ulitmate edge? Come on.

[Dark Horse]

Still waiting for your proof. So far all we have heard are assumptions.

And, again, why didn't you stop when it was so clear to you that you were being cheated?

Either you didn't have the 'proof' and were in the same disbelief that we are in, or you did have the proof and couldn't help yourself from continuing to play. In the first case, your conclusion that you were cheated is merely a convenient excuse to prevent you from seeing what you are: a stiff, or a thief. In the second case, you're in denial and your problem was bound to catch up with you. In the face of such dishonesty, either towards others or towards yourself, it is somewhat amusing that you would accuse 95% of books of being dishonest.

The fact that you threw out that 95% number should tell you something about your willingness to jump to conclusions. Gambling can be a harsh teacher. Either run away or learn. But don't come crying.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Most this is based off actual in house blackjack tables such as live in Vegas or Atlantic City. Using a live dealer you are able to watch the hands being dealt to you from the shoe. Online that is not the case.

Missing the point. By the very fact we know the rules and thus the exact edge an honest house would have, we can compare actual net profit against it. The further you are from the average, the less likely the result.

See:

http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/return-and-variance-calculator/

For example, 1000 hands at $10 a shot, on a site with 0.49% house edge. 95% of results are within 2 standard deviations, which is a range from a loss of $722 to a profit of $635. Make it 10k hands and those values go up something like 3.5x


Here's an example of a casino that actually was found to be rigged (very rare):

http://www.thewizardofodds.com/game/casinobar.html

[homerbush]

Missing the point. By the very fact we know the rules and thus the exact edge an honest house would have, we can compare actual net profit against it. The further you are from the average, the less likely the result.

See:

http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/return-and-variance-calculator/

For example, 1000 hands at $10 a shot, on a site with 0.49% house edge. 95% of results are within 2 standard deviations, which is a range from a loss of $722 to a profit of $635. Make it 10k hands and those values go up something like 3.5x


Here's an example of a casino that actually was found to be rigged (very rare):
http://www.thewizardofodds.com/game/casinobar.html

This is of course assuming that he was playing perfect blackjack what if he was doubling down Hard 12 and splitting 10's.

[St.Aquinas]

What edge does the house have over the player? Honestly? Generally speaking in a game of blackjack, the odds should be 50/50 with random cards drawn from the deck. Yes we all know the house has the advantage, but what real advantage do they have?

I already told you what the house edge is...which is the advantage.

why don't you read Rick???

Anyway, since you saved your hand history, lets see how bad a player you really are!

[HeeeHAWWWW]

This is of course assuming that he was playing perfect blackjack what if he was doubling down Hard 12 and splitting 10's.

Sure, although I was more talking about the method for testing a casino's software than this particular example.

[Rick_UCONN]

Still waiting for your proof. So far all we have heard are assumptions.

And, again, why didn't you stop when it was so clear to you that you were being cheated?

Either you didn't have the 'proof' and were in the same disbelief that we are in, or you did have the proof and couldn't help yourself from continuing to play. In the first case, your conclusion that you were cheated is merely a convenient excuse to prevent you from seeing what you are: a stiff, or a thief. In the second case, you're in denial and your problem was bound to catch up with you. In the face of such dishonesty, either towards others or towards yourself, it is somewhat amusing that you would accuse 95% of books of being dishonest.

The fact that you threw out that 95% number should tell you something about your willingness to jump to conclusions. Gambling can be a harsh teacher. Either run away or learn. But don't come crying.

And assumptions are all your going to get for now until I convert everything over to Word and Excel files. Once I do, I would also like to pass them onto Gandolf. I have not had time to speak with him about this, nor do I know if he would be interested.

Also no one is crying, and if I was, I didn't ask you to come here and feel sorry for myself or listen to what I have to say. Sounds like you have niche for coming into people's threads and acting like some little bully on a school ground. Seriously grow up as I could careless your worthless remarks or anything you have to share.

[Rick_UCONN]

I already told you what the house edge is...which is the advantage.

why don't you read Rick???

Anyway, since you saved your hand history, lets see how bad a player you really are!

LOL. Amazing. Ok...and so what is the advantage eh? You still don't get it. So now I'm a bad player eh? Ok sounds like you really know me. Save the personal attacks to yourself before you get embarrased.

[Rick_UCONN]

Missing the point. By the very fact we know the rules and thus the exact edge an honest house would have, we can compare actual net profit against it. The further you are from the average, the less likely the result.

See:

http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/return-and-variance-calculator/

For example, 1000 hands at $10 a shot, on a site with 0.49% house edge. 95% of results are within 2 standard deviations, which is a range from a loss of $722 to a profit of $635. Make it 10k hands and those values go up something like 3.5x


Here's an example of a casino that actually was found to be rigged (very rare):
http://www.thewizardofodds.com/game/casinobar.html

Thanks for the links...will take a look at them when I get a little extra time. Very interested in comparing what I see with the rigged casino you have posted to what I have as well.

[Dark Horse]

And assumptions are all your going to get for now until I convert everything over to Word and Excel files. Once I do, I would also like to pass them onto Gandolf. I have not had time to speak with him about this, nor do I know if he would be interested.

Also no one is crying, and if I was, I didn't ask you to come here and feel sorry for myself or listen to what I have to say. Sounds like you have niche for coming into people's threads and acting like some little bully on a school ground. Seriously grow up as I could careless your worthless remarks or anything you have to share.

The things you have said in this thread already show that you don't know what you're talking about. Forget the data, which you could obviously manipulate any way you want.

As to your perception of others, or in this case myself. In my time here you're the first to call me a bully. Are you always the victim? It must be hard living in a world where 95% books don't have enough of an edge to beat you, and must therefore cheat you. Those terrible, horrible bully books...

*sniff*

Nobody is bullying you. And if I seem unkind to you, it's the overwhelming smell of bull shit.

[Rick_UCONN]

The things you have said in this thread already show that you don't know what you're talking about. Forget the data, which you could obviously manipulate any way you want.

As to your perception of others, or in this case myself. In my time here you're the first to call me a bully. Are you always the victim? It must be hard living in a world where 95% books don't have enough of an edge to beat you, and must therefore cheat you. Those terrible, horrible bully books...

*sniff*

Nobody is bullying you. And if I seem unkind to you, it's the overwhelming smell of bull shit.

Wow, you are truly an idiot. Seriously I don't care what you think at all. All I know is the facts that I have prove to me that a lot of the casinos at sportsbooks online are rigged. If you chose to believe they are, or they are not, then that is your decision.

[Dark Horse]

Wake up dude. Books have enough of an edge to beat you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

It's a little edge, repeated over and over again. Not the obvious stuff that has you crying for a Christmas bonus.

[Rick_UCONN]

Wake up dude. Books have enough of an edge to beat you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

I'm wide awake, and yes they sure do have an advantage to the player online to beat them. That I agree with you on. Maybe they will wake up once the money starts coming back from them....

[Dark Horse]

I'm sorry that it's -apparently- news to you that the house has an edge.

If you don't understand how delusional you are if you believe that 95% of books needs to cheat you to beat you, then there's nothing more to say.

[Rick_UCONN]

I'm sorry that it's -apparently- news to you that the house has an edge.

If you don't understand how delusional you are if you believe that 95% of books needs to cheat you to beat you, then there's nothing more to say.

Ok ol' wise one...I forgot, you are the expert here. My bad and please accept my apologies. So I guess that makes you delusional as well if you think the books do not cheat with their casino software correct? Wouldn't be surprised if you worked for a book, which is the reason why you seem to be so interested in saying they do not cheat. Either way it really doesn't matter to me....

[Dark Horse]

Uhuh. You're the expert. You have unmasked the grand scheme against... err... you.

[Rick_UCONN]

Uhuh. You're the expert. You have unmasked the grand scheme against... err... you.

Seriously dude what the ****? Why do you feel the need to come into my thread and start shit. This is the exact reason for these sports forums anymore. You just can't let it be can you? Do you think you have to be right at everything you speak out your pathetic little mouth? You obviously have a problem cause you always have something to say in my thread or what I have to say. Do I ever come into your thread to try and prove you wrong? Man you love getting off on trying to prove others wrong and make them think you are right. Oh that's right, I guess that's all you have in life. Hiding behind your little CRT monitor at work trying to play the "Mr. Cool" guy on a sports forum. Wow. Thought you were better than that, but guess I was wrong eh.

Will be less than three minutes before you are back in here again trying to prove shit or make some comment.

[St.Aquinas]

Rick Uconn- go to this site instead and stop crying at SBR. You have no idea what your talking about and you never produced hand histories or anything else. Not to mention you have no clue.

http://www.casinomeister.com/

[Rick_UCONN]

Rick Uconn- go to this site instead and stop crying at SBR. You have no idea what your talking about and you never produced hand histories or anything else. Not to mention you have no clue.

http://www.casinomeister.com/

[Dark Horse]

Seriously dude what the ****? Why do you feel the need to come into my thread and start shit. This is the exact reason for these sports forums anymore. You just can't let it be can you? Do you think you have to be right at everything you speak out your pathetic little mouth? You obviously have a problem cause you always have something to say in my thread or what I have to say. Do I ever come into your thread to try and prove you wrong? Man you love getting off on trying to prove others wrong and make them think you are right. Oh that's right, I guess that's all you have in life. Hiding behind your little CRT monitor at work trying to play the "Mr. Cool" guy on a sports forum. Wow. Thought you were better than that, but guess I was wrong eh.

Did anger come before or after denial?

I hate to bring this to your attention. But this is a public forum. It's not part of your perfect little universe, where everything goes your way, "Mr. **********".

And no, I don't speak on behalf of books. I believe in a honest business relationship between players and books. And I know that cheats like you inject poison into that relationship.

[Rick_UCONN]

Did anger come before or after denial?

I hate to bring this to your attention. But this is a public forum. It's not part of your perfect little universe, where everything goes your way, "Mr. **********".

Welcome back!!

[Dark Horse]

Welcome back!!

They call me "Mr. Blackjack".

[Rick_UCONN]

They call me "Mr. Blackjack".

He's back again! Yet with another comment!! Yay!!

[Dark Horse]

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[savman]

Rick,

I agree that these online casinos are rigged in favor of the house. With no regulations in place, they have a license to steal. We are taking a risk whenever we play online.

I would be very interested in how this turns out.

"I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player."


Also Rick I would be very interested in which books you are referring to here.

"...And yes you correct about the books stating they use a random number generator, they do not. About .02% of the books actually use it and have it setup correctly."

thanks and good luck,

sav

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Well, like I said before, it's easy to accuse without proof. If you want to prove, it's easy. Simply play a lot of hands, feed them into excel using the house edge % calc I posted before, and if the expected result is 6 standard deviations away from the mean you have a fixed casino. If 5, almost certainly. If 4, a bit suspicious, but not conclusive. 3 or less is entirely reasonable.

Incredibly easy to do this, and a lot of people have tested a lot of casinos. None of the major ones have ever been found to be rigged, although some very small outfits have (I heard of 18SDs!).

The sheer ease of this method keeps casinos honest, because it's so easy to test them.

[St.Aquinas]

Rick,

I agree that these online casinos are rigged in favor of the house. With no regulations in place, they have a license to steal. We are taking a risk whenever we play online.

I would be very interested in how this turns out.

"I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player.


Also Rick I would be very interested in which books you are referring to here.

"...And yes you correct about the books stating they use a random number generator, they do not. About .02% of the books actually use it and have it setup correctly."

thanks and good luck,

sav

Where did YOU get your facts? .02% of books...I can tell you that number is 100% bullshit.

A. Don't play online casinos.
B. Don't charge back money if you lost.
C. Bring facts
D. Go away