Resolved: 5dimes just robbed me of my entire balance7

**Bcatswin** · 12-27-12, 02:35 AM

**blankoblanco** · 12-27-12, 02:54 AM

OP has been shifty in this thread, which makes me distrust him and wonder if he's not telling the whole story. Look at how he wouldn't admit the bet he past-posted was a winner. The first time he only said "I did not receive any money from this wager", leading people to think his horse lost, to make his case appear stronger. After people questioned this, he still didn't answer straight-forwardly, saying "I was paid $0 from these wagers." Just say the horse you past-posted on won but Tony didn't pay you (OBVIOUSLY Tony didn't pay you, it was a freakin past-post). Why be shifty if you're completely in the right and have nothing to hide?

**raiders72001** · 12-27-12, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

So 12 hours has barely passed, we've got no screen shots, just his word and only half a story

and already guys want tony crucified on a cross.

God almighty

exacty. He's been bluffing and lying the whole time.

**ChalkyDog** · 12-27-12, 03:03 AM

Whether this story is legit, something is amiss in this forum and industry.

**Kindred** · 12-27-12, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by marcocable

Tony at 5 Dimes stole my entire account because he said I passed posted on a horse wager. please keep in mind I did not receive any money from this wager however Tony insisted that he will close my account and take the funds away and not pay me a single dime. I have my full accout history to prove that out of hundreds and hundreds of horse wagers this was the 1 exception that happened. so as a result Tony felt he's been need to steal my entire balance due to 1 pass post horse race and keep in mind no money was won from this race. I was allowed to deposit no problem but when I requested a payout today he brought this up. now my account is close and he confiscated thousands of dollars due to this 1 pass POS horse race. I have the account history proof I have the deposits proof I have the chat history with Tony saying that he took all my money because of this 1 horse race. what happened during this race is that I expected the race to close as usual when the race goes off but it didnt and he thinks I cheated. yet this was the omly time anything like this ever happened. is it fair for Tony to steal my entire account balance when I did not win a single dime do to any of this horse race. He can tell me not to play thete but to steal my balance is uncalled for

NO

The answer is that simple..

**Kindred** · 12-27-12, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

exacty. He's been bluffing and lying the whole time.

What book do you work for?

Always see you in every thread arguing against the players..just curious where that bias comes from.

**raiders72001** · 12-27-12, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Kindred

What book do you work for?

Always see you in every thread arguing against the players..just curious where that bias comes from.

no book- I've just seen too many scammers use the forums to extort books. Why would Tony confiscate money for one past posted bet? 5Dimes is not BI. The story doesn't pass the smell test.

**raiders72001** · 12-27-12, 03:47 AM

5Dimes has been in business since 1996 and I've been on the forums since 2002.

**bettilimbroke999** · 12-27-12, 03:51 AM

BetIslands confiscated my balance for the fun of it

**blankoblanco** · 12-27-12, 04:14 AM

All the BI stuff notwithstanding, 5dimes has a much stronger record and has stood the test of time. Tony has a reputation for being a hardass who may tell you to get lost (which is his right) and pay you your balance but I've seen no evidence that he's a thief. So yeah, I'm personally still going to usually side with the proven business over random degens posting anonymously on this forum who intentionally leave out details in their story. Burden of proof is on OP, not on Tony

**Easy-Rider 66** · 12-27-12, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by blankoblanco

All the BI stuff notwithstanding, 5dimes has a much stronger record and has stood the test of time. Tony has a reputation for being a hardass who may tell you to get lost (which is his right) and pay you your balance but I've seen no evidence that he's a thief. So yeah, I'm personally still going to usually side with the proven business over random degens posting anonymously on this forum who intentionally leave out details in their story. Burden of proof is on OP, not on Tony

**Ralphie Halves** · 12-27-12, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Coach C

Post the chat man... I have serious doubts this will end well for you but I hope you get paid

This is the best way to show if this guy's stories are consistent. We're backing some guy nobody knows based off of random stories that are starting to develop holes. All for this guy if he can give us more to work with. He's not obligated to, but it's the best way to get people here to take his side.

Post the chat. You said you had it.

**drfunkmaster** · 12-27-12, 04:46 AM

Tony the tiger! Nobody cheats tony! Hahahaha

**TheGoldenGoose** · 12-27-12, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

So 12 hours has barely passed, we've got no screen shots, just his word and only half a story

and already guys want tony crucified on a cross.

God almighty

Yes, Tony could use a severe crucifixion.

**meckis** · 12-27-12, 06:24 AM

OP really is not telling everything, also why he does not post screens of chat or wagers? There is something fishy in his story.

**Art Vandeleigh** · 12-27-12, 07:02 AM

Hating this thread, so easy to mess up with delays at the starting gate, horses refusing to go in the stalls, breaking through the gates, throwing jockeys off, vets taking another look if they're fit to run....races can go off 5-10 minutes past post time, how the f*** are you as a player guaranteed you don't get the bet in late when the post time is way past the official post time - especially if you're not watching the races live.....

Figure out a way to shut betting down once the races have started, or stfu, Mr. Tony.

Not playing at 5Dimes race book, even with the 10% rebate book, until this is settled, and it better be settled for the player unless there is some incredibly compelling proof he is doing this continuously.

**Ralphie Halves** · 12-27-12, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by meckis

OP really is not telling everything, also why he does not post screens of chat or wagers? There is something fishy in his story.

No kidding.

Seriously, how many of these threads have we seen already? Unknown OP comes on, complains about a reputable book, everyone gets all bent out of shape, as the thread goes on things get muddier and muddier, we all find out the book did nothing wrong, all of the complainers in the thread look like retards.

The right way to do it is to let SBR handle it (not sure if they even do now with Justin gone, but still), let it go through the system, and if it still doesn't work out in your favor, THEN bust them out in public. Not hard.

**5mike5** · 12-27-12, 07:46 AM

of course hes been sketchy

he never told us what really happened

**ProlinePlayer** · 12-27-12, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by a4u2fear

Tony is a loser, file a complaint thru SBR

Why?

Danbouton tried that and look what he got. He is still out the money 5Dimes stole and in the bargain he's been mocked and insulted by SBR mods.

PLP

**raiders72001** · 12-27-12, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

No kidding.

Seriously, how many of these threads have we seen already? Unknown OP comes on, complains about a reputable book, everyone gets all bent out of shape, as the thread goes on things get muddier and muddier, we all find out the book did nothing wrong, all of the complainers in the thread look like retards.

The right way to do it is to let SBR handle it (not sure if they even do now with Justin gone, but still), let it go through the system, and if it still doesn't work out in your favor, THEN bust them out in public. Not hard.

that would be a great way to handle it.

**The Kraken** · 12-27-12, 09:29 AM

My guess is at this point whichever mod is handling the case has asked him to refrain from commenting about it. I know they've done this in the past. Basically keep it off the boards until they can at least here out both sides and make a decision. I assume once this happens, we'll be hearing from both sides.

**marcocable** · 12-27-12, 10:00 AM

just an update, the sbr people have been in close contact with me and they are helping me. I can tell they dont agree what has happened, even though they havent said that, but i get the feeling they are on my side. Especially after seeing my history, the chats with tony, and how this race had no effect on my balance what so ever. The fact tony stole my entire balance when this race did not effect any of my balance is robbery in my eyes. I will keep everyone updated on if I do get paid or if anything else changes. So far, no contact from 5dimes.

Just so I dont bore you guys, here is an expert from a chat we had, so you can get the blunt of it:

5XXXXX: Ok if you dont want me to play there. FINE (I RESPECT THAT). What happens to my balance. Tony: your account is gone Tony: your balance is gone Tony: and you are gone Tony: never come back 5XXXXXXX: Can you please tell me (what) happens to my balance Tony: gone

Again, no one is denying the facts here. Not Tony, not 5 dimes, not sbr, not anyone.
The fact is Tony stole my entire because of wagers that had no effect on my balance.
The only thing we dont agree on is if it is right to do this or is it wrong to steal my balance.
This was only one race out of the many I have wagered upon that was past post.
No one is denying the fact these past post=ed wagers were not paid out, as they were refunded.
No one is denying all my other horse plays were in time and confirmed.

The only thing here is if it is right for him to steal my balance because of this?

I think not, as I have sent him my hard earned money and expect a level of trust when I do so.
The money I won and in my account was not because of these wagers and had no effect on my balance.
If tony doesn't want me playing there, that is up to him. But in my eyes to kick me out
and not pay me my balance is not right.
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**firedawg** · 12-27-12, 10:06 AM

Off shore has gone too shit... Tony is a scum, but all these books are full of shit. Find a local for sports and go to the track for the horses.

**Smoke** · 12-27-12, 10:09 AM

Dawgystyle

**The Kraken** · 12-27-12, 10:11 AM

Wager or wagers?

**katstale** · 12-27-12, 10:23 AM

I expect OP to get his balance back as that is right. If the past post was more than a few minutes then I would expect Tony to pass his name along to other reputable books. End of story.

**raydog** · 12-27-12, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by marcocable

just an update, the sbr people have been in close contact with me and they are helping me. I can tell they dont agree what has happened, even though they havent said that, but i get the feeling they are on my side. Especially after seeing my history, the chats with tony, and how this race had no effect on my balance what so ever. The fact tony stole my entire balance when this race did not effect any of my balance is robbery in my eyes. I will keep everyone updated on if I do get paid or if anything else changes. So far, no contact from 5dimes.

Just so I dont bore you guys, here is an expert from a chat we had, so you can get the blunt of it:

5XXXXX: Ok if you dont want me to play there. FINE (I RESPECT THAT). What happens to my balance. Tony: your account is gone Tony: your balance is gone Tony: and you are gone Tony: never come back 5XXXXXXX: Can you please tell me (what) happens to my balance Tony: gone

Again, no one is denying the facts here. Not Tony, not 5 dimes, not sbr, not anyone.
The fact is Tony stole my entire because of wagers that had no effect on my balance.
The only thing we dont agree on is if it is right to do this or is it wrong to steal my balance.
This was only one race out of the many I have wagered upon that was past post.
No one is denying the fact these past post=ed wagers were not paid out, as they were refunded.
No one is denying all my other horse plays were in time and confirmed.

The only thing here is if it is right for him to steal my balance because of this?

I think not, as I have sent him my hard earned money and expect a level of trust when I do so.
The money I won and in my account was not because of these wagers and had no effect on my balance.
If tony doesn't want me playing there, that is up to him. But in my eyes to kick me out
and not pay me my balance is not right.

which is it? one wager or are you constantly past posting a lot of different bets? you can see why people are skeptical of your story...you go from one thing to the other... did tony ever warn you to stop past posting wagers? if not, he obviously has no right to take your entire balance...surely it cant be as cut and dry as 1 past post that lost... past posting horses goes on all day long...

**Fang-Banger** · 12-27-12, 10:33 AM

OP story is very fishy here...

Provide us more proof or else stop posting unsubstantiated gibberish

**SportsbookReview** · 12-27-12, 10:34 AM

5Dimes believes this was not a new customer and one who operated past accounts that attempted the same style of racebook past-posting.

However, as the player's action was accepted, he is free to request his balance as normal via live help, and his account will remain closed.

**Art Vandeleigh** · 12-27-12, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by SportsbookReview

5Dimes believes this was not a new customer and one who operated past accounts that attempted the same style of racebook past-posting.

However, as the player's action was accepted, he is free to request his balance as normal via live help, and his account will remain closed.

Find a way to shut betting down when the races go off. Betfair manages to do it for U.S. racing, betting is closed when they go into the gate.
Don't care if you have to dedicate someone to eyeball the start of every race at every track, or copy whatever Betfair does. But it is not the players exclusive responsibilty to know the exact moment of every race start time, when the start time can vary by so much.
Once again, figure out some way to stop betting before they go off!!!

**bubba** · 12-27-12, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

Find a way to shut betting down when the races go off. Betfair manages to do it for U.S. racing, betting is closed when they go into the gate.
Don't care if you have to dedicate someone to eyeball the start of every race at every track, or copy whatever Betfair does. But it is not the players exclusive responsibilty to know the exact moment of every race start time, when the start time can vary by so much.
Once again, figure out some way to stop betting before they go off!!!

i dont know racing but another option would be to take the race off the board 10 minutes too early than 2 minutes too late. not ideal but better

**Big Bear** · 12-27-12, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by spankie

Tony is a piece of shit loser.

Watch your mouth Spankie.

Tony is my negro

**marcocable** · 12-27-12, 10:47 AM

update: sbr just emailed me saying 5dimes will pay me my balance but account will remain closed.

**Art Vandeleigh** · 12-27-12, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by bubba

i dont know racing but another option would be to take the race off the board 10 minutes too early than 2 minutes too late. not ideal but better

Very few serious players would play at a place that closed 10 minutes before post. A horse may be a play at 8-1 odds, but the same horse would be a pass at 4-1, you often times can't get an idea what you'll end up with 10 minutes before post time.

**raydog** · 12-27-12, 10:58 AM

yep, what art said...nobody would play there...

marco, if what 5dimes says is true, i hope you realize you are very lucky to get paid...if you are constantly getting kicked out of there for doing the same past posting shit under different accts., i can understand why tony was pissed off in the first place...good luck to you and the next time you are busted trying to scam a book, dont make a thread, just file the report...because next time nobody will believe a word you say.