Has everyone given up hope on a Betislands bailout?

[woodsy5822]

honestly if SBR is the holdup because they want their cut.. Then just cut out the middleman.. get organized form a group and call these books yourselves and arrange a bailout... no sense of getting bent over twice by sbr

[woodsy5822]

Mother of god... the idiot thinks because he gambled away what he deposited, he deserves deposits back since he wouldnt have gotten any money if he won...im trying to be nice and bite my tongue, but man there are some seriously fukking ignorant people on this board...

deposit 1000 with me.. you can play all you want.. get up monopoly money.. ill just delay the payout til i finally decide i wont pay you or you lose it all... whats the difference??? a scams a scam.. and thats what it was

[rcene]

[raydog]

woodsy, we have enough guys putting on an act around here, please dont be another one of them... you went broke...you didnt get scammed...fukk me i cant even believe someone has to explain this to you...has to be an act

[woodsy5822]

i dont give shit that i lost... doesnt bother me...im definately not broke..fyi.. but you telling me as BI was taking my deposits with no intentions of paying me if i wont.. then i have a problem the people with money in their accounts definately got f u cked over worse.. but i got scammed the last 2 months i played there.. and thats shame on me..

[woodsy5822]

if i won that should say

[woodsy5822]

woodsy, we have enough guys putting on an act around here, please dont be another one of them... you went broke...you didnt get scammed...fukk me i cant even believe someone has to explain this to you...has to be an act

i cant believe how blind you are.. really doesnt matter tho.. nobody is getting anything...

[raydog]

woodsy, for fukksakes pal, you went bust...you didnt get scammed or robbed...you had no funds stolen...you buried yourself...if you had a balance, then you could be pissed, but you didnt, so there is no reason to worry about it or get your blood pressure up... believe me, my vision is a million times better than yours right now.

i dont want to upset you, woodsy... lets just say you are correct and you wont be getting anything...others might, you will not...so no reason to get your hopes up

[Dark Horse]

woodsy, SBR loves you for sidetracking the topic. 1.5 million was stolen, none from you, and you seriously want to slip in under the radar if there's a bailout? You're made of the same stuff as the scammers. Obvious to all, except yourself.

[JasonDC]

woodsy, SBR loves you for sidetracking the topic. 1.5 million was stolen, none from you, and you seriously want to slip in under the radar if there's a bailout? You're made of the same stuff as the scammers. Obvious to all, except yourself.

It looks like Friday is going to come and go without the update that Bill Dozer mentioned a couple days ago.

[Peregrine Stoop]

SBR will realize, hopefully, that they make more money in the long-run by stepping up and doing the right thing here and covering all accounts even without a cut of the future action and selling ad space than by covering up for the BI/7red/EZSt guys.

[Dwayne74]

Lets continue to clear up the misconceptions,half truths, and misinformation being spread in this very important thread. No book has to include sbr in a bailout package, this is true, but they are the glue that would hold any deal together since they have such lucrative affiliate packages and advertising deals with a bailout partner. They also have the motivation to broker a deal since they had a major part in causing the bi situation in the first place, and from a short and long term business perspective and if they ever want to regain a semblance of player trust they want a bailout deal done. Sbr holds all the cards and much of the leverage since they could easily offer to ease the debt one of their advertising books takes on in a bailout by reducing their end of the affiliate package and advertising revenue. It is kind of hard to carry on the myth that you are the biggest offshore watchdog when you played a major role in the theft of 1.5 million of players money. Sbr could easily broker a deal with their current advertising books so that the participating bailout books would take on very little debt if they are given a break on advertising and affiliate commission. Lets continue to stay on point in the thread and work together to foster a bailout deal.

[woodsy5822]

ray i dont care about getting anything.. never did.. i knew i wouldnt be part of a bailout.. why would i? thats not my point.. my point is i had money stolent to.. i deposited numerous times and they were never going to pay me on my last handful of deposits.. thats a scam... i dont know how you dont see it... anyways lets bigons be bigons... neither one of us are changing how we feel. goodluck getting your bailout

[Dark Horse]

It looks like Friday is going to come and go without the update that Bill Dozer mentioned a couple days ago.

Friday is still going. Negotiations can take time. No problem.

[ABEHONEST]

i cant believe how blind you are.. really doesnt matter tho.. nobody is getting anything...

I see Woodsy side completely. What "if" he had won 5 g's? He wouldn't be collecting as yet, or ever? That's definitely a worthwhile statement to unload. Wake up small-minded ones.

[JasonDC]

I see Woodsy side completely. What "if" he had won 5 g's? He wouldn't be collecting as yet, or ever? That's definitely a worthwhile statement to unload. Wake up small-minded ones.

Oh my God, there are two of you lol...I understand his point that had we won he would have also been a victim..but he didn't win, so he is not a victim.

[woodsy5822]

Oh my God, there are two of you lol...I understand his point that had we won he would have also been a victim..but he didn't win, so he is not a victim.

jason they stole my deposit money,, i was never going to get paid. so because i lost im actually lucky...is it what it is... thats like me saying ohh you didnt get screwed... the 6gs you are owed was never really your money.. the whole BI situation is a joke i really hope you guys get something half decent but i think that ship has sailed unfortnunately

[ABEHONEST]

Oh my God, there are two of you lol...I understand his point that had we won he would have also been a victim..but he didn't win, so he is not a victim.

Look! He couldn't win even if he had won! That's the missing logic you are too blind to see.

[woodsy5822]

Look! He couldn't win even if he had won! That's the missing logic you are too blind to see.

exactly.... anybody that played with them the last few months got bent over

[JasonDC]

Look! He couldn't win even if he had won! That's the missing logic you are too blind to see.

I do see that, i think we all see that..he could have easily been a victim..and i think he has reason to be pissed about this as well..im glad he is pissed..but he didn't lose anything, his balance is zero.

[woodsy5822]

I do see that, i think we all see that..he could have easily been a victim..and i think he has reason to be pissed about this as well..im glad he is pissed..but he didn't lose anything, his balance is zero.

i lost quite a bit of deposit money.. BLINDLY depositing for a couple months.. I wasnt going to be paid if i won.. honeslty im glad im in my shoes and not yours..then i would be angry.. jason its the same thing as say i said ill offer you 1000 credit.. you take and you lose.. you play me 1000.. next week you get up 1000 and i disappear,,i took your money and was never going to pay.. thats what BI did

you might have got the short end of the stick,, but to say i dont count because i didnt win is BS. the fact is we both made donations to jons pocket..

[raydog]

Look! He couldn't win even if he had won! That's the missing logic you are too blind to see.

lolzz..there is no missing logic...everyone knew exactly what he was saying the very first time he said it...since it will never be taken seriously or refunded, we are simply wondering why its even brought up...

[woodsy5822]

lolzz..there is no missing logic...everyone knew exactly what he was saying the very first time he said it...since it will never be taken seriously or refunded, we are simply wondering why its even brought up...

could say the about you and jason.. it will never be refunded on your end either

[Dark Horse]

i lost quite a bit of deposit money.. BLINDLY depositing for a couple months.. I wasnt going to be paid if i won.. honeslty im glad im in my shoes and not yours..then i would be angry.. jason its the same thing as say i said ill offer you 1000 credit.. you take and you lose.. you play me 1000.. next week you get up 1000 and i disappear,,i took your money and was never going to pay.. thats what BI did

you might have got the short end of the stick,, but to say i dont count because i didnt win is BS. the fact is we both made donations to jons pocket..

Sickening that you're trying to get a free lunch over the backs of those who were scammed for a combined 1.5 million. And of course you're going to deny that when it's pointed out, but the fact is that you never would have started such a ridiculous argument in the first place if you didn't see your 'chance'. People like you are the reason for this entire fiasco.

[mtneer1212]

i lost quite a bit of deposit money.. BLINDLY depositing for a couple months.. I wasnt going to be paid if i won.. honeslty im glad im in my shoes and not yours..then i would be angry.. jason its the same thing as say i said ill offer you 1000 credit.. you take and you lose.. you play me 1000.. next week you get up 1000 and i disappear,,i took your money and was never going to pay.. thats what BI did

you might have got the short end of the stick,, but to say i dont count because i didnt win is BS. the fact is we both made donations to jons pocket..

This is the same as saying if you kill an old man in a crosswalk with your car, you shouldn't go to jail because "he was probably going to die soon anyway".

You have no case. You deserve nothing. But on the bright side, you have humiliated yourself for no reason, because no one is getting anything anyway. People should still raise hell about it, but they should really stop hoping that SBR, or another book is going to help them out just as an act of goodwill. The die is cast.

[HedgeHog]

If a deal was done, Dozer would have announced it by now. At this point he's stalling the inevitable bad news and enjoying the in-fighting meantime.

[JasonDC]

If a deal was done, Dozer would have announced it by now. At this point he's stalling the inevitable bad news and enjoying the in-fighting meantime.

If he had any news to give..good or bad, i think he would want to get it over with..but SBR has been ridiculous with their handling of this situation, they just ignore everything, they ignore peoples questions..even Justin asked them a question a couple days ago about this betislands fiasco and they ignored it. They sure are acting like people with something to hide.

[Footballtime]

How does anyone still believe anything, Billy Dozer, SBR John or any mod here says is beyond my imagination........ I stopped trusting and believing these guys when i realized they led me to the slaughter house a week before Christmas! Who knows maybe they are talking to Lenny(cascade) and BI Jon, Both are gonna partner up and open a new book called BetCascade, Dont worry it will be a B+ sbr rated within a month. What a penetrating joke!

[rcene]

If a deal was done, Dozer would have announced it by now. At this point he's stalling the inevitable bad news and enjoying the in-fighting meantime.

You got that right.

[touchback]

It is not that nothing is happening... it is just that it is complicated for those that want or are considering getting involved... and this includes Bill and SBR. They are just as motivated as the rest of you guys to have a resolution I assure you. It is problematic just do to the fact that Jon had already burned so many bridges and or shopped all the rec players all over town. A little patience is required though anger and bitterness does not fade quickly, an emotion is what it is and all emotions are valid. Think about it though, Bill and SBR has everything to gain by their efforts for a resolution and much to lose with failure. This is not a defense of Bill and SBR just a reality check... they are working on something for you guys... Jon just managed to leave a bag of flaming sh1t in front of just about every door they have to knock on... don´t give up guys, this means everyone. Also, get J7 back, if you gotta kiss his a55 in the Macys store front window I would do it.

[JasonDC]

It is not that nothing is happening... it is just that it is complicated for those that want or are considering getting involved... and this includes Bill and SBR. They are just as motivated as the rest of you guys to have a resolution I assure you. It is problematic just do to the fact that Jon had already burned so many bridges and or shopped all the rec players all over town. A little patience is required though anger and bitterness does not fade quickly, an emotion is what it is and all emotions are valid. Think about it though, Bill and SBR has everything to gain by their efforts for a resolution and much to lose with failure. This is not a defense of Bill and SBR just a reality check... they are working on something for you guys... Jon just managed to leave a bag of flaming sh1t in front of just about every door they have to knock on... don´t give up guys, this means everyone. Also, get J7 back, if you gotta kiss his a55 in the Macys store front window I would do it.

It's not as if nothing is happening? sure looks that way to us...if someone could mention something...anything specifiic it would be great.

[Darkside Magick]

How does anyone still believe anything, Billy Dozer, SBR John or any mod here says is beyond my imagination........ I stopped trusting and believing these guys when i realized they led me to the slaughter house a week before Christmas! Who knows maybe they are talking to Lenny(cascade) and BI Jon, Both are gonna partner up and open a new book called BetCascade, Dont worry it will be a B+ sbr rated within a month. What a penetrating joke!

BetCascade..lmaoooooooo.......I can see it...free point on NFL and NBA....Nickel baseball lines.....100% match cash with 4x rollover....lmaoooo

[crysbreeze]

I think it's easy to get frustrated and be pessimistic when you see a large figure like $1.5M gone, but if we can break it down into smaller goals then a full bailout may become more manageable. The first priority should be in repaying actual player money (the lesser amount of net deposits or balances). For example, a sharp player makes a total of $5000 in deposits, $0 in withdrawals, and runs up a $20,000 balance at the time of closure. On the other hand, a recreational player deposits a total of $1,000 and has a $600 balance remaining at closure. Priority would be given to repaying the $5,000 to the sharp and $600 to the recreational player before repaying the $15,000 in sharp winnings.

Maybe SBR can allocate a small percentage of their annual revenue (whatever they would feel comfortable with) towards a player recovery fund, or if members here would be interested in donating any points or cash, SBR can provide some type of match on those donations. Personally, I'd be willing to donate all my points to such a fund if it would help get the ball rolling.

Also, obviously no book wants to take on the entire $1.5M exposure, but the several books that have expressed an interest so far can start with a smaller allocation of maybe $100K-$150K with whatever terms they deem necessary. This could work as a test run to gauge the bailout's profitability, and if everything works out they can allocate the remainder of funds needed to get all players repaid.

Receiving a small amount of funds from several different sources can add up, and I'm sure everyone would accept gradual repayment over a year or two to being outright stiffed. Seems to me this would create a lot of goodwill for both SBR and the industry, and prevent things from deteriorating in the future.

[Dark Horse]

I think it's easy to get frustrated and be pessimistic when you see a large figure like $1.5M gone, but if we can break it down into smaller goals then a full bailout may become more manageable. The first priority should be in repaying actual player money (the lesser amount of net deposits or balances). For example, a sharp player makes a total of $5000 in deposits, $0 in withdrawals, and runs up a $20,000 balance at the time of closure. On the other hand, a recreational player deposits a total of $1,000 and has a $600 balance remaining at closure. Priority would be given to repaying the $5,000 to the sharp and $600 to the recreational player before repaying the $15,000 in sharp winnings.

Maybe SBR can allocate a small percentage of their annual revenue (whatever they would feel comfortable with) towards a player recovery fund, or if members here would be interested in donating any points or cash, SBR can provide some type of match on those donations. Personally, I'd be willing to donate all my points to such a fund if it would help get the ball rolling.

Also, obviously no book wants to take on the entire $1.5M exposure, but the several books that have expressed an interest so far can start with a smaller allocation of maybe $100K-$150K with whatever terms they deem necessary. This could work as a test run to gauge the bailout's profitability, and if everything works out they can allocate the remainder of funds needed to get all players repaid.

Receiving a small amount of funds from several different sources can add up, and I'm sure everyone would accept gradual repayment over a year or two to being outright stiffed. Seems to me this would create a lot of goodwill for both SBR and the industry, and prevent things from deteriorating in the future.

You've given this a lot of thought. Much appreciated.

[erickvivar]

Where is the BI video? SBR Report, Wired alert?