5dimes screw up at my expense attention sport bettors BEWARE!!

**Dark Horse** · 11-27-12, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It's a line error.

Right.

"I'm calling to see if this is a bad line."
"No, it's not a bad line."
"Are you sure?"
"Yes, the line is good to go."
"Ok, thanks."

When clerks are specifically asked if a line is correct, they better sit up straight and pay attention. Now the bad line falls square on the shoulders of the clerk. And the clerk was hired by 5D/Tony. So the clerk's error is Tony's responsibility. If Tony has an argument it is with the clerk, not with the player. The player is not at fault. Pay that man his money.

**raiders72001** · 11-27-12, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Could the casino sue you if they knew who you were and could prove that you were overpaid to recover the difference? Yes. Would they have any recourse in confiscating your winnings? No.

You said that you left SBR forever. Now that you're back please tell me what you're talking about here. Are you saying that a casino could sue, win a monetary judgment and then have no recourse to obtain that judgment?

**MonkeyF0cker** · 11-27-12, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

You said that you left SBR forever. Now that you're back please tell me what you're talking about here. Are you saying that a casino could sue, win a monetary judgment and then have no recourse to obtain that judgment?

If you can't figure out what I said, learn how to fukking read.

**Duff85** · 11-27-12, 01:36 AM

Is 5Dimes also going to refund every losing pleaser wager placed with them at the incorrect odds?

**housenuts** · 11-27-12, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Duff85

Is 5Dimes also going to refund every losing pleaser wager placed with them at the incorrect odds?

ya. i noticed this 'error' too. I made 100 $50 6-tm pleaser wagers trying to take advantage of it. unfortunately i lost them all. but now it's been determined this was a faulty line. i guess all bets should be cancelled. so 5dimes owes me $5000. sweeet.

**HedgeHog** · 11-27-12, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It's a line error. You can convert a spread to a ML.

No it's not. There is not one bit of evidence to show that any leg of his pleaser was significantly off market, so the bet is a winner. Instead this is a potential pricing error. For sake of argument, let's say 5D intended the payout to be 700-1, instead of 7000-1. And if 700-1 is the intended payout, then you can assume the actual fair value odds are about double that--say 1500-1. So now it boils down to the OP getting 7000-1 on a 1500-1 shot. It's certainly +EV for the bettor, but given the extremely long odds I don't think it warrants a reduction in the payout amount. An A Book should pay the winner and adjust it's pay tables accordingly. Worst case is they adust the winning ticket, but in no way should it affect his subsequent winnings.

**skrtelfan** · 11-27-12, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Could the casino sue you if they knew who you were and could prove that you were overpaid to recover the difference? Yes. Would they have any recourse in confiscating your winnings? No. So, you're essentially agreeing that the difference in the pleaser payout should be deducted from the account and the subsequent wagers should stand.

great point. i cash out at the poker cage and am overpaid and don't notice. i then win a lot in the casino. the next day the floorman says, hey, we overpaid you, we need it back. they are entitled to the overpay back, but not your winnings.

**GoDeViLs** · 11-29-12, 09:14 AM

So Justin, you prepared to backtrack or not gonna comment again? Bill said one thing, you showed a contradiction with what you believe should happen. So what is the update? Tell Tony to pay this man his money (minus odds error) and stop threatening players lives like he is some sort of tough guy.

**HedgeHog** · 11-29-12, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

Hmm. It looks like 5dimes rules are pretty clear there. If they resettle the pleaser at the correct price, the player's account would be docked the difference between his won amount ($3500) and the correct amount ($200), or about $3300.

Surprisingly, this situation happens fairly often (where, due to a regrade, a player's balance goes negative). I verified that those quoted rules were on the site. This makes it clear how this should resolve: dock the account $3300, and carry on.

Fill out a complaint, and we will try to help you.

Sounds fair, and means the OP is still owed several thousand. Will you be handling this case?

**GoDeViLs** · 11-29-12, 04:45 PM

Any update on the dispute Justin?

the OP is still owed several thousand

Fwiw op is owed more than several thousand (should SBR follow Justin's advisement).

**sharpcircle** · 11-29-12, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by GoDeViLs

So Justin, you prepared to backtrack or not gonna comment again? Bill said one thing, you showed a contradiction with what you believe should happen. So what is the update? Tell Tony to pay this man his money (minus odds error) and stop threatening players lives like he is some sort of tough guy.

Unfortunately justin7 seems to have gotten the SBR signal in the sky. He has to leave threads when he disagrees with the party line.

standard stuff in communist sbr

**princecharles** · 11-29-12, 10:16 PM

As usual, the coverup is more interesting than the actual crime, although 4Dimes' crime here stands in its own in terms of the balls to not man up and put blame where it deserves, ON ANTONY'S POORLY TRAINED STAFF.

**SlickRick1382** · 11-30-12, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Is the rule on 5 Dimes also illogical, Bill?

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http://www.5dimes.eu/rules.html

It explicitly states that the wagers stand.

What the fukk happened to this place, Bill? It's absolutely sickening.

In case people missed it and are arguing to the contrary ...

Curious as to how this gets resolved. Also curious as to why no further word ...

**Dan bouton** · 11-30-12, 01:51 PM

Well I was informed by Lou that the case has already been resolved and was done so thru bills post on this thread long ago. He said he was under the impression that I did not need or expect any further ruling since the CEO said what he said. I guess that's it! The threats don't matter that is now to be expected when dealing with tony on his own mistakes! At least we all can "sleep well" knowing justice has been served!

**slash** · 11-30-12, 02:11 PM

This has to be a joke no?

Originally posted by Dan bouton

Well I was informed by Lou that the case has already been resolved and was done so thru bills post on this thread long ago. He said he was under the impression that I did not need or expect any further ruling since the CEO said what he said. I guess that's it! The threats don't matter that is now to be expected when dealing with tony on his own mistakes! At least we all can "sleep well" knowing justice has been served!

**GoDeViLs** · 11-30-12, 02:17 PM

The least SBR could do would be to be transparent when railroading this guy. An email and no further correspondence to the forum?

Seems apparent that SBR isn't even trying to appear neutral when settling disputes, certainly not a reality check but just confirms what we already knew.

Justin7, you still believe Dan should be paid? Or did some new evidence come to light causing your silence on the issue?

**HedgeHog** · 11-30-12, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by GoDeViLs

The least SBR could do would be to be transparent when railroading this guy. An email and no further correspondence to the forum?

Seems apparent that SBR isn't even trying to appear neutral when settling disputes, certainly not a reality check but just confirms what we already knew.

Justin7, you still believe Dan should be paid? Or did some new evidence come to light causing your silence on the issue?

The new evidence was Bill telling J7 to STFU. When the case got handed to Lou, the SBR fix was in-- this is theft by 5D, plain and simple.

**cloverfield** · 11-30-12, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

The new evidence was Bill telling J7 to STFU. When the case got handed to Lou, the SBR fix was in-- this is theft by 5D, plain and simple.

This is a rather frightening case. I think 5Dimes was wrong on 2-3 different levels.

The verdict is the best I've seen though: "There is no need for further ruling because Tony said what he said".

**cutter2225** · 11-30-12, 02:42 PM

This just confirms what I said many pages ago...its better to play with a respected NON sponsor book (if there are any), that way you'll get a fair shake in cases like this because as long as your beef is with a sponsor book it looks like you have little or no chance at a fair verdict. Sorry Dan its clear to all in the know you got snowed on this one.

**Dan bouton** · 11-30-12, 03:02 PM

The CEO I referred to was bill not tony cloverfield. I also pm Justin a few days ago and he said he was no longer able to comment on the case unless it was assigned to him due to "the chain of command"! I also pm bill requesting it be assigned to him but I got no response. I did not post about Justin and my exchange cuz I did not want to upset sbr. I don't know I just don't get it! This has to be the most corrupt system I've ever seen. Although I never expected a dime from tony it would have been nice to know the regulators have our backs!

**cutter2225** · 11-30-12, 03:09 PM

SBR won't regulate shit if it involves a book whose banner flies high. I filed a complaint recently against a different book and at the time didn't even notice that it was a sponsor book. I know my complaint won't go anywhere and truth be told, I wouldn't have filed one had I realized before hand it was a sponsor book. Thank goodness my issue is not nearly on the same financial level as yours.

**HedgeHog** · 11-30-12, 03:39 PM

I don't think S-B-R stands for SportsBook Review anymore. Sponsors Be Right is more like it lately. Horrible decision by this "watchdog site". Welcome to the new SBR, where your monthly ad check also buys you the right to steal.

**Bill Dozer** · 11-30-12, 04:03 PM

2 things to add...

The player stated 700-1 was the correct odds but he got 7000-1. Turns out the correct odds were 70-1.

5Dimes:
We had a multi-chance pleaser
5 teams was 2575 to 100
7 teams was 195 to 1
6 teams was listed at 7000 to 1 instead of 70/1

In regards to this rule folks are quoting... It's pretty clear the rule is meant to apply to a misgrade. This is not a grading error. This is a matter of getting $3500 instead of $35

**GoDeViLs** · 11-30-12, 04:18 PM

The op is not arguing that he should be paid out on the error, he is arguing that his subsequent winnings have been stolen by 5d. He has stated that 5d is owed the difference on the error. Why is SBR and 5d not addressing the theft of his balance?

Also, is it common practice for SBR to provide no actual findings or announcement regarding dispute resolutions?

**HedgeHog** · 11-30-12, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

2 things to add...

The player stated 700-1 was the correct odds but he got 7000-1. Turns out the correct odds were 70-1.

5Dimes:
We had a multi-chance pleaser
5 teams was 2575 to 100
7 teams was 195 to 1
6 teams was listed at 7000 to 1 instead of 70/1

In regards to this rule folks are quoting... It's pretty clear the rule is meant to apply to a misgrade. This is not a grading error. This is a matter of getting $3500 instead of $35

Ok, then reduce his winning ticket to the proper odds (a loss of 3 to 4 grand). But this should in no way affect his subsequent winnings for 2 reasons:

1) The OP could have easily re-deposited and made the same wagers.

And more importantly

2) 5-Dimes has a rule that explicitly states what to do in this case. The wager is left a winner (which it is) and paid the lesser amount. In no way does it permit 5D to confiscate future winnings. To do so would be a 100% freeroll.

**MBENZ** · 11-30-12, 04:34 PM

It is a grading error,don't understand that statement.

The only way to show that his winnings after the grading error were not warranted is to show his bet history.If in fact this guy went from a dollar player to a dime player after the misgrade then Tony eats the 10k from an employee mistake and life goes on.If the guy built up his account based on his normal play then Tony owes him minus the overpayment.

It's easy if all the facts are presented instead of backroom deals being made.

**Trident** · 11-30-12, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

2) 5-Dimes has a rule that explicitly states what to do in this case. The wager is left a winner (which it is) and paid the lesser amount. In no way does it permit 5D to confiscate future winnings. To do so would be a 100% freeroll.

I learned that the rules posted 5Dimes site are meaningless, they expect customers to follow every rule to the letter but when it comes to them following their own rules it's another story.

**Dan bouton** · 11-30-12, 04:51 PM

Where did I ever say it was suppose to pay 700 to 1? look real close u will never find that in my posts. I clearly had my chat posted with tony on the other site where he said it paid 7000 to 1 instead of 70 to 1. I in no way tried to hide that fact! Actually Lou came in here and stated it was a six team pleaser that paid the 700to1 wich it was not. It was a multi chance 8pt pleaser ties loose! Shows how deep u guys really looked into this one!! Did u ever listen to my convo with 5d cs? I stated it paid those other payouts as stated and then jumped up to a higher pay!! There response " no sir that's correct u have no worries!" I said how I wanted to have enough funds in my account to cover future bets even if that meant I had to deposit more $. What about the THREATS? is that acceptable? Are u going to touch on those? If ur implying that I mislead anybody that's a lie! All the facts are laid out and if I ever lied u would have immediately called me out to ruin my credibility and get more people to back ur decision wich nobody has done. Ur making your once credible site look like a joke and we now know u can't be trusted! I called many other books and laid out the facts and they all said this is handled 100% wrong! Even your own sponsors! Don't be surprised if people start pulling away from u for this specific case as people don't want to associate with corrupt companies! You can still make this right turn the case over to Justin and let him do a full and thuro investigation and report. This was no way to handle such a serious case involving threats and a lot of $! You basically swept it aside and responded to me through posts. Not one pm email or phone call! Is that how these issues are dealt with? It's obviously a big deal and people want to see a full report with the facts laid out. This is proven by the following on both threads I created. we want answers. U guys make huge stories and news productions on petty bonus issues or 100$ no pays of a non sponsor! U now get a case with threats involved, 43000$in question and it's one of the most highly respected and regarded books out there and it doesn't even make the back page! Sorry that just does not make any sense!

**MonkeyF0cker** · 11-30-12, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

2 things to add...

The player stated 700-1 was the correct odds but he got 7000-1. Turns out the correct odds were 70-1.

5Dimes:
We had a multi-chance pleaser
5 teams was 2575 to 100
7 teams was 195 to 1
6 teams was listed at 7000 to 1 instead of 70/1

In regards to this rule folks are quoting... It's pretty clear the rule is meant to apply to a misgrade. This is not a grading error. This is a matter of getting $3500 instead of $35

What is a misgrade if it's not adjusting the player's balance to properly reflect a winning or losing wager?

You are seriously going to sit here and argue semantics? Unbelievable.

This makes SBR look REALLY bad, Bill.

**SBR Lou** · 11-30-12, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

Where did I ever say it was suppose to pay 700 to 1? look real close u will never find that in my posts. I clearly had my chat posted with tony on the other site where he said it paid 7000 to 1 instead of 70 to 1. I in no way tried to hide that fact! Actually Lou came in here and stated it was a six team pleaser that paid the 700to1 wich it was not. It was a multi chance 8pt pleaser ties loose! Shows how deep u guys really looked into this one!! Did u ever listen to my convo with 5d cs? I stated it paid those other payouts as stated and then jumped up to a higher pay!! There response " no sir that's correct u have no worries!" I said how I wanted to have enough funds in my account to cover future bets even if that meant I had to deposit more $. What about the THREATS? is that acceptable? Are u going to touch on those? If ur implying that I mislead anybody that's a lie! All the facts are laid out and if I ever lied u would have immediately called me out to ruin my credibility and get more people to back ur decision wich nobody has done. Ur making your once credible site look like a joke and we now know u can't be trusted! I called many other books and laid out the facts and they all said this is handled 100% wrong! Even your own sponsors! Don't be surprised if people start pulling away from u for this specific case as people don't want to associate with corrupt companies! You can still make this right turn the case over to Justin and let him do a full and thuro investigation and report. This was no way to handle such a serious case involving threats and a lot of $! You basically swept it aside and responded to me through posts. Not one pm email or phone call! Is that how these issues are dealt with? It's obviously a big deal and people want to see a full report with the facts laid out. This is proven by the following on both threads I created. we want answers. U guys make huge stories and news productions on petty bonus issues or 100$ no pays of a non sponsor! U now get a case with threats involved, 43000$in question and it's one of the most highly respected and regarded books out there and it doesn't even make the back page! Sorry that just does not make any sense!

Correct it's not in your posts. You called the help line before filing your claim, and said you understood it was supposed to be priced at 700:1. Then I directed you to the sportsbook complaint form. Do you not recall?

**MBENZ** · 11-30-12, 04:58 PM

Dan,do you have a problem with your bet history being posted with your before bets being shown and after the misgrade bets being shown?It could help your case immensely.

**cutter2225** · 11-30-12, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by MBENZ

Dan,do you have a problem with your bet history being posted with your before bets being shown and after the misgrade bets being shown?It could help your case immensely.

I have to disagree with you only because it's a sponsor book he's attempting to go toe to toe with. Ruling has been made and SBR will continue to twist this in theirs and 5Slimes favor. Fact is SBR are just as corrupt as any offshore book out there. Worst part is the guy really has no where else to complain to that will result in any different outcome.

**HedgeHog** · 11-30-12, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Correct it's not in your posts. You called the help line before filing your claim, and said you understood it was supposed to be priced at 700:1. Then I directed you to the sportsbook complaint form. Do you not recall?

So the fukk what? 70-1, 700-1 or 7000-1.... makes no difference. Grade this winning bet at the right odds (70-1?), but do the same on all his other bets as well. How is this so difficult for any of you to comprehend?

**joeyd2232** · 11-30-12, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

So the fukk what? 70-1, 700-1 or 7000-1.... makes no difference. Grade this winning bet at the right odds (70-1?), but do the same on all his other bets as well. How is this so difficult for any of you to comprehend?

Exactly this

**MonkeyF0cker** · 11-30-12, 05:25 PM

Can someone point me to the last SBR dispute that was ruled in favor of the player against a sponsor book, please? I don't believe I've seen one in quite a while, but I could be wrong.