Luis Suarez' Handball

[mihaita666]

no, he got the right punishment, an elimination, . What did you want, an execution ) ?

[Dark Horse]

Dark Horse what else could he have done? if he doesn't save the ball they go out.

He could have tried to head it. It would have been much harder than stopping the ball with his hands, but it was not impossible. I'm not blaming Suarez because this is an instinctive reflex, but it is still amazing that it had to be him.

I know Suarez well, because I follow Ajax. He cheats at every opportunity he gets. Remember that pk he earned for Uruguay against South-Africa, that also got the goalie sent off? I know that Suarez initiated that contact, because that's what he does. He's an expert at it. Even after he stopped the ball with his hands, he quickly mingled with the other players and acted surprised when the referee showed him the red card: "Me?!"

Think of the impact outside of soccer for a moment. The whole continent of Africa was behind Ghana, and in the very last second they were going to win this game. The goal scorer would have been a hero for the rest of his life. Wherever he would go, he would be an inspiration to always fight on until the very last moment. Everywhere in Africa they would ask him to tell them the story. Africans would today be dancing in the streets for Ghana, and for African hope and whatever that represents in the bigger picture. It would have been an amazing sports story. And what did they get instead? A Uruguay team that lifted Suarez on their shoulders in front of them...

Ghana got nothing for that red card. The team that's benefitting from it is Holland.

[mihaita666]

dark horse, you aer completely right, but even if it wasn;t to be the first African team in the semis, we will still remember this action for the rest of our lives, I guarantee that

[blackf1re]

He's a fuckin' cheater.


But not because of the handball. That was the only right thing to do and I'd be livid as an Uruguay supporter if he didn't do it.

[Karayilan9]

He could have tried to head it. It would have been much harder than stopping the ball with his hands, but it was not impossible. I'm not blaming Suarez because this is an instinctive reflex, but it is still amazing that it had to be him.

I know Suarez well, because I follow Ajax. He cheats at every opportunity he gets. Remember that pk he earned for Uruguay against South-Africa, that also got the goalie sent off? I know that Suarez initiated that contact, because that's what he does. He's an expert at it. Even after he stopped the ball with his hands, he quickly mingled with the other players and acted surprised when the referee showed him the red card: "Me?!"

Think of the impact outside of soccer for a moment. The whole continent of Africa was behind Ghana, and in the very last second they were going to win this game. The goal scorer would have been a hero for the rest of his life. Wherever he would go, he would be an inspiration to always fight on until the very last moment. Everywhere in Africa they would ask him to tell them the story. Africans would today be dancing in the streets for Ghana, and for African hope and whatever that represents in the bigger picture. It would have been an amazing sports story. And what did they get instead? A Uruguay team that lifted Suarez on their shoulders in front of them...

Ghana got nothing for that red card. The team that's benefitting from it is Holland.

Suarez is a product of the footballing culture he grew up in, viveza criolla, the trickery and cunning side of the game is part of the culture in South America. Skills, diving and any sorts of theatrics is normal.

However, what he did wasn't cheating, it was the only thing any player in that situation would be expected to do. He got sent off and Ghana got a penalty, they have nobody else to blame for missing the shot.

I agree it would have been a great achievement for Ghana, I was watching the game with some Ghanaian friends and had said before the tournament they were the best team in Africa and could go far. They were all devastated going out but if your going to lose its better to go out on penalties being the team that played better in the game than get hammered 4-0 or 4-1.

This isn't the last of Ghana, they keep getting better, last WC it was last 16, last year they won the U20 WC, this year QF's, the team is very young and there are alot of up and coming players.

[TurkzZ]

how about the fact Ghana's player took a dive and deceived the officials for the free-kick which lead to the controversial hand ball, that not cheating no lol?

also for those trying to draw resemblance with Thierry Henry hand ball, there's a big diff, Suarez was punished by the rules of the game, Henry didn't. I wouldn't want to be part of a team where a player would not do that in the last second of the game, IMO your be mad not to lol.

[Cheme82]

He could have tried to head it. It would have been much harder than stopping the ball with his hands, but it was not impossible. I'm not blaming Suarez because this is an instinctive reflex, but it is still amazing that it had to be him. I know Suarez well, because I follow Ajax. He cheats at every opportunity he gets. Remember that pk he earned for Uruguay against South-Africa, that also got the goalie sent off? I know that Suarez initiated that contact, because that's what he does. He's an expert at it. Even after he stopped the ball with his hands, he quickly mingled with the other players and acted surprised when the referee showed him the red card: "Me?!" Think of the impact outside of soccer for a moment. The whole continent of Africa was behind Ghana, and in the very last second they were going to win this game. The goal scorer would have been a hero for the rest of his life. Wherever he would go, he would be an inspiration to always fight on until the very last moment. Everywhere in Africa they would ask him to tell them the story. Africans would today be dancing in the streets for Ghana, and for African hope and whatever that represents in the bigger picture. It would have been an amazing sports story. And what did they get instead? A Uruguay team that lifted Suarez on their shoulders in front of them... Ghana got nothing for that red card. The team that's benefitting from it is Holland.

And the African cock-sucking continues.....It's always the white people that do this. I'm sure it's because you guys feel guilty for mistreating black people and that's why you feel like you have to make it up to them.

Here in the States it's evident. White people let blacks get away with all sorts of rude, threatening behavior because they feel guilty about the whole slavery thing. Hispanics don't put up with that shit, they have never owned plantations and dozens of black slaves to work there so they don't have to feel guilty about it.

Black people know about this too, that's why they push the envelope and act the way they do. Apparently their ancestors have earned them an immunity that no other race enjoys here in the USA.

It's amazing to me that Ghana eliminated the US team and ******* white people where still cheering for those fuckers. The whole "oh they beat us, so hopefully they win it all so we ca say we lost to the champs" idea is retarded to me. If you beat my team I want you to go down, hard. That's why I love the way Uruguay crushed their dreams.

P.S. We wouldn't be talking about this shit had they not missed 3 out of 5 PK's. That's worst than Shaq's free-throw shooting.

[WeinketoWarrick]

great play, right call, and the penalty FIFA imposes is fair.

anybody bitching about any part of it is a dumbass.

[Cheme82]

P.S. I love how Suarez tries to walk away nonchalantly after the save, then he looks semi-surprised when they show him the red car. Feking classic.

He cheats at every opportunity he gets. Remember that pk he earned for Uruguay against South-Africa, that also got the goalie sent off? I know that Suarez initiated that contact, because that's what he does. He's an expert at it. Even after he stopped the ball with his hands, he quickly mingled with the other players and acted surprised when the referee showed him the red card: "Me?!"

A matter of opinion my friend. I love that, you hate that. Bottom line is that players like are loved by their supporters and hated by the other team's. But you have to remember soccer in 3rd. world countries is learned on the street, playing with a beat-up ball and a few rocks for goal posts. Most of these kids live in extreme poverty. They have to hustle just to make a living, that hustle and trickery translates to the soccer field.

European players learn soccer in private clubs with poshy facilities, I can see why some people wouldn't appreciate his "style". If you have lived there or at least seen it first hand you might have a different take on the whole issue.

[Dark Horse]

And the African cock-sucking continues.....It's always the white people that do this. I'm sure it's because you guys feel guilty for mistreating black people and that's why you feel like you have to make it up to them.

I know for a fact that Africa has been exploited beyond belief. So it is good to see them gradually find their own spirit back. Edit: Guilt doesn't factor in at all. lol

[Cheme82]

I know for a fact that Africa has been exploited beyond belief. So it is good to see them gradually find their own spirit back. Edit: Guilt doesn't factor in at all. lol

Completely agree with you. So how much did you lose on the game?

[Dark Horse]

A matter of opinion my friend. I love that, you hate that. Bottom line is that players like are loved by their supporters and hated by the other team's. But you have to remember soccer in 3rd. world countries is learned on the street, playing with a beat-up ball and a few rocks for goal posts. Most of these kids live in extreme poverty. They have to hustle just to make a living, that hustle and trickery translates to the soccer field.

No, it doesn't. That's exactly how Pele grew up, and he was always an exemplary soccer player. Never dirty, never cheating.

[Dark Horse]

Completely agree with you. So how much did you lose on the game?

I had the draw (90 minutes). And Suarez missing the next game favors my Holland future. You see, I can make money and talk the other way...

[pavyracer]

The handball was understandable since it was the last second of extra time. If it was the end of regulation he probably wouldn't have done it because his team would have been playing 30 minutes a man down. Don't blame Suarez for what he did because it's the same as a flagrant foul in basketball with 10 seconds left or a passing interference in the end zone in football as times expires to prevent a touchdown.

[ZXCVBNM]

Don't understand the controversy. Anyone would've done it.

[Capybara]

I don't understand anything negative being said at all! This guy is a HERO for Uruguay. He committed the proper play, giving up a penalty by stopping the goal. It was absolutely the correct move!!!!!

In all sports, the correct play is to commit the penalty if it will prevent a score. Then you suffer the consequences, as expected. Guy did the right thing and should be considered the ultimate hero back home.

[Jimmy0607]

Stupid Suarez ... how could he not thought about all those African kids that were cheering for Ghana and now are all sad, the whole continent behind Ghana and he did that ... what a heartless punk he is man

[TurkzZ]

[Jshap1515]

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

no, he got the right punishment, an elimination, . What did you want, an execution ) ?

[Kemalettin]

Blame FIFA if anyone.
Intentional hand ball which prevents a goal = red card + automatic goal given.

fvck fifa and world cup referrees

[Cookie Monster]

In every sport there are "tactical" faults, and very few people complain.
In a close basketball game, the losing team makes lots of faults in the last minute. Is it cheating?
In NFL when a safety is being burned, he often makes an interference. Is this cheating?

That is exactly the same situation as the play in question. committing a fault actually improves the winning chances of its team. The player committing the fault is doing his expected work and accepts the penalty. Maybe the rules makers should punish more harshly that faults, disappearing the tactical advantage. But I doubt the NBA would charge 24 seconds for a last minute fault, or the NFL would give automatic touchdowns. So, expecting soccer to do the same is hypocritical.

It is very different than a guy faking a fault or someone hoping that the fault gets unpunished. Do not mix apples and oranges.

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

By far the stupidest thing i've read so far that in should be awarded a automatic goal. The rules are if you prevent a "sure goal" you receive a red card, which is what he got. They gave Ghana a penalty shot and Gyan missed. Why the fukk would FIFA change the rule to an automatic goal

[Cheetahponti]

Dark Horse, alas I feel you speak too much sense in this thread. Suarez is indeed a dirty player, in a team full of dirty players, who deserves no praise whatsoever. Unfortunately you are speaking to people here, typical of sports betters I'm afraid, who have a "ends justifies the means" type of mentality - i.e. win at all costs, and to hell with ethics, etiquette and the spirit of the game in the process.

Suarez is a product of the footballing culture he grew up in, viveza criolla, the trickery and cunning side of the game is part of the culture in South America. Skills, diving and any sorts of theatrics is normal.

European teams like Italy are just as bad so it's only part of the story to relate it to a socio-economic genesis. South American teams are indeed some of the worst at the moment and the sooner FIFA stamps it out the better. Tell you what, if I was running the ship there, players who act and play dirty would be cleaning up their act or getting off the world stage for good, and that means post-game suspensions. If they want to act like 5 year olds they need to be treated like them.

By far the stupidest thing i've read so far that in should be awarded a automatic goal. The rules are if you prevent a "sure goal" you receive a red card, which is what he got. They gave Ghana a penalty shot and Gyan missed. Why the fukk would FIFA change the rule to an automatic goal

For the same reason the NBA makes a goal-tend an automatic goal.

[Cheme82]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/private-zone/555553-re-luis-suarez-handball.html

[Sunde91]

Suarez deserves to be on the Nike commercial.

Would be an epic spot if they reenacted that.

[rav_himself]

clutch move in a dire situation, that's all it is.
the match was handed to Ghana on a silver platter with that PK, but they failed to take it with both hands..

[DarkNite]

So, watch out, Holland!
Uruguay will put a few players in the goalie and act like goal-keeper.

[Socrates]

There's nothing 'cheap' or 'cheating' about what Suarez did, IMO. He did what any person in that exact situation should've done. You know you're going to get the red card. You know you're done for the day. You know you're out for at least a game. You also know that the other team is going to get a free goal. TBH, it was one of the top plays of the tournament because it kept his team alive in a situation where they were definitly going home. And even if the PK is converted, he still made the correct play in that situation. It just blows my mind what came after - it's a bloody miracle. Suarez is a national hero IMO.

Don't agree at all.

So now we're going to have volleyball players in the back as a last minute save? They'll just start taking their chances with the pk's.

"Ok guys, if the game is in it's dieing minutes and they're about to score, fuk it, just pull a goalie and swat it away. It's not the right thing to do, or the ethical thing to do, but fuk it, let's win baby!"

If this isn't handled, this will be the future.

[TurkzZ]

its such a random event and so much is being made out of it, this world cup needed some controversy lol

[Cookie Monster]

Thinking about it, I believe that the uniqueness of this situation is the reason for the debate. As we see every NBA game foul-filled in the last minute (or as a common anti-Shaq strategy), it is perceived as normal. Same thing with the safety or corner being burned in NFL. In both cases the penalty is not severe enough to deter the fault.

But in soccer usually the penalty is heavier. Preventing a goal with a cost of a penalty kick + red card most often is not worth it. If the play happens in the 1st half it would be stupid to get a red card. Being with one player less and 80+% of a goal against is worse than accepting the goal. This play happened in one of these extreme cases when the foul had a +EV. Suarez took the gamble (actually Uruguay had nothing to lose) and it paid off.

So, you could complain to the rules board to make stiffer penalties, but I doubt it will happen. Many basketball fans would feel cheated if deprived of the last minute miracle hope. In some way it has become a part of the game strategy.

[Jimmy0607]

Don't agree at all. So now we're going to have volleyball players in the back as a last minute save? They'll just start taking their chances with the pk's. "Ok guys, if the game is in it's dieing minutes and they're about to score, fuk it, just pull a goalie and swat it away. It's not the right thing to do, or the ethical thing to do, but fuk it, let's win baby!" If this isn't handled, this will be the future.

hahah WOOOOOW,"Ok guys last minute of extra time we have ran like dogs for 120 minutes to get this win , if the ball is coming your way sorry but you have to let it in , we are an ethical team and its the right thing to do"

[Karayilan9]

Common be serious, are you telling me if that was a player for your countries team and he done the "ethical" thing you would all be here praising him

Suarez took a gamble, it paid off big, got to say well done to the man.

[lak420187]

I don't hate it!!! Suarez helped win me money!!

[TurkzZ]

its just Sour Grapes, had Ghana scored the pen, this thread would not even exist