Guys, Zimmerman is innocent! Lets cut all of this media bullshit!

[King Mayan]

[playersonly69]

Skittles are new the THUG food staple!!!




Listen the kid was HARDLY innocent! He probably would have been in jail in a few years anyway.



I only need 60 more points to play in the poker tournament and have enough for all of the rebuys! Please donate to my charity! Hell I am going to send some money to his paypal account. I mean George is a victim here too guys! I know that I have a few pesos lying around the house

[MoneyLineDawg]

It is not illegal to follow somebody who you think is suspicious, it is illegal to violently assault somebody for simply following you.

Unless you have evidence, that the lead detective on the case admitted that he does not have, that proves "Zimmermans actions were the reason for the physical altercation" than you are just another black guy who believes Zimmerman is guilty only because it fits what you want to believe.

Im not black first of all, just going what I think is right.........don't give a Fukk about the race issue at all

Hey sharpcat, think back when you were 17....some strange man at night following you, probably yelling at you in a threatening manner for no reason, what do you do if he gets close? For all Martin knew at the time, Zimmerman is some fukked up psychopath

But yeah, Zimmermans actions were not the reason for the altercation......what a fukkin joke

Zimmerman went out looking for something, Martin was trying to get back home.......TRUTH

[King Mayan]

Sharpcat would run away from that guy crying...

[playersonly69]

Moneylinedawg,


I am not hispanic, but George Zimmerman did nothing wrong according to the law. The guy was getting killed at the hands of Trayvon and saved his own life.


And the little Thug wasnt going to his house! He was going to his Dad's girlfriends house and neither of them were even home at the time

[MoneyLineDawg]

Moneylinedawg,


I am not hispanic, but George Zimmerman did nothing wrong according to the law. The guy was getting killed at the hands of Trayvon and saved his own life.


And the little Thug wasnt going to his house! He was going to his Dad's girlfriends house and neither of them were even home at the time

That doesn't address my post really at all

Zimmerman went looking for something with a gun that wasn't there in the first place, and used the gun to kill someone.......Bottom line

We have no idea who hit who first.....But to me, the fight happened in the first place BECAUSE of Zimmerman trying to be a neighborhood watchman hero......Fail

[muldoon]

You have no idea exactly what the $50,000 was used for but you twist O'Mara's words around to paint out the picture that you want to see and pass it off as if Zimmerman spent $50,000 on skittles and iced tea.

What the **** are you talking about? How did I twist his words? I posted exactly what his lawyer said.

[sharpcat]

Im not black first of all, just going what I think is right.........don't give a Fukk about the race issue at all

Hey sharpcat, think back when you were 17....some strange man at night following you, probably yelling at you in a threatening manner for no reason, what do you do if he gets close? For all Martin knew at the time, Zimmerman is some fukked up psychopath

But yeah, Zimmermans actions were not the reason for the altercation......what a fukkin joke

Zimmerman went out looking for something, Martin was trying to get back home.......TRUTH

Last I checked being 17 years old is not an excuse to attack somebody just because you believe that they are following you. Sure a lot of 17 year old kids full of testosterone may decide that they are going to attack the man and show him how tuff they are but that is not the proper response and when you assault someone you are either going to end up in jail or dead.

Trayvon's parents taught him wrong he should have gone home.

[sharpcat]

Sharpcat would run away from that guy crying...

This is funny coming from the guy who has to spend 40 hours a week in the gym i order to be a tough guy.

Somebody got beat up a lot as a kid.

[playersonly69]

The neighborhood had numerous robberies in the past 6 months.

He get the gun because of a pit bull problem and was told by a police officer that his pepper spray wont help.



SANFORD, FLA. - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.
The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner t o complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law’s dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.
“Don’t use pepper spray,” he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. “It’ll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you,” he said.
“Get a gun.”
That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.
By June 2011, Zimmerman’s attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

[King Mayan]

This is funny coming from the guy who has to spend 40 hours a week in the gym i order to be a tough guy.

Somebody got beat up a lot as a kid.

old man its 8 hours a week and i was 100x tougher when i was 180 lbs

Now run along and shilll..

[MoneyLineDawg]

Last I checked being 17 years old is not an excuse to attack somebody just because you believe that they are following you. Sure a lot of 17 year old kids full of testosterone may decide that they are going to attack the man and show him how tuff they are but that is not the proper response and when you assault someone you are either going to end up in jail or dead.

Trayvon's parents taught him wrong he should have gone home.

Wheres the evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman?

Still don't get how you can stalk someone, let them ineviditably attack you (Not clear if this happened), then blow them away......Fukkin ridiculous

[muldoon]

Last I checked being 17 years old is not an excuse to attack somebody just because you believe that they are following you.

Actually, the greyness of the "stand your ground law" may show how both involved felt threatened.

A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first.

Martin may have felt threatened if Zimmerman confronted him and had his weapon in plain site. Zimm could say that he simply tried to speak to Martin and was attacked.

[King Mayan]

Actually, the greyness of the "stand your ground law" may show how both involved felt threatened.



Martin may have felt threatened if Zimmerman confronted him and had his weapon in plain site. Zimm could say that he simply tried to speak to Martin and was attacked.

This.

[Smoke]

In four of the recordings Zimmerman called police to report "suspicious" persons -- all of whom were black -- in or near the Retreat at Twin Lakes neighborhood.

He called once to report his neighbor's open garage door. And in the sixth call, Zimmerman reports children are "habitually" playing in the street at dusk and running in front of cars. He asked dispatchers to take his complaint anonymously, but provided his name and phone number.

[Smoke]

Its obvious Zimmerman hates blacks and couldn't turn down a chance to kill one

[sharpcat]

Wheres the evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman?

Still don't get how you can stalk someone, let them ineviditably attack you (Not clear if this happened), then blow them away......Fukkin ridiculous

When the Martin family felt it would benefit them they are already on record saying that the coroner who examined Trayvon's body stated that there were no signs of struggle, everybody has seen the pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.

So are you going to suggest next that maybe Zimmerman threw a punch at Martin and missed and then Martin acted in self defense?

I am sure if a video came to light that recorded the whole thing and clearly showed Trayvon sneaking up on and attacking Zimmerman that you people would still invent a new scenario as to why TM was justified in sneaking up and attacking Zimmerman.

[sharpcat]

Actually, the greyness of the "stand your ground law" may show how both involved felt threatened.



Martin may have felt threatened if Zimmerman confronted him and had his weapon in plain site. Zimm could say that he simply tried to speak to Martin and was attacked.

Actually florida like many states allows their citizens to carry firearms

It is not at all uncommon to see someone carrying a pistol in florida and most definitely does not give you a right to attack them.

Stand your ground law does not protect Martin in anyway unless Zimmerman either assaulted him first or made threats against Trayvon's life. Both of which can not be proven!

Keep trying to twist the scenario so that it fits your belief though, it gets more and more entertaining as more and more information comes out to watch you guys keep coming up with new plot lines.

[muldoon]

Actually florida like many states allows their citizens to carry firearms

It is not at all uncommon to see someone carrying a pistol in florida and most definitely does not give you a right to attack them.

It's also legal to walk by yourself at night. Doesn't make it any less menacing if the person is following or threatening you. Note: I said "if" they are threatening you.

You can try and inflame this as much as you want, I'm the one who is actually posing the idea that maybe both parties felt threatened.

[sharpcat]

It's also legal to walk by yourself at night. Doesn't make it any less menacing if the person is following or threatening you. Note: I said "if" they are threatening you.

You can try and inflame this as much as you want, I'm the one who is actually posing the idea that maybe both parties felt threatened.

If TM felt threatened he could have ran the mere 70 yards to his fathers girlfriends home.

It took over 10 minutes between the time that Zimmerman first encountered Trayvon until the time of the shooting. His walk was a stretch of 2 apartment complexes (the length of a football field). Trayvon was obviously not afraid and if he was he had 10 minutes to walk 100 yards.

Not sure about you but I can walk 100 yards in less than 2 minutes.

[face]

if you get in a fight and start winning someone can shoot you and say self defense. if you get in a fight nowdays you are taking a chance. seems unfair, but i don't see it changing, that's just the way it is.

[sharpcat]

How can you even claim that Trayvon was scared when 10 minutes after first encountering Zimmerman at his truck (C) he has not even traveled the length of 1 apartment building (35 yards)(F) on his route home (100 yards) (D)?????

I should add that Zimmerman told the dispatcher that he was running when he got out of his truck to follow him.

How the hell can a 17 year old football player not run 100 yards in nearly 10 minutes?????

[rsnnh12]

Sharpcat- why do you say that Trayvon had to run? Isn't that the entire point of the stand your ground law?!? That if you feel threatened, you don't need to run, but can fight and defend yourself?

Muldoon is 100% correct. Both parties probably felt threatened, and IMO it was Zimmerman's actions that started it. Unless you think Trayvon would have just attacked Zimmerman while in his truck? We'll never really know what happened since 1 of the 2 involved is dead. Quite frankly, I could care less what happens with this case, but it's baffling to me that Zimmerman supporters refuse to acknowledge the fact that Trayvon was at worst "standing his ground" just like they claim Zimmerman was

[sharpcat]

Sharpcat- why do you say that Trayvon had to run? Isn't that the entire point of the stand your ground law?!? That if you feel threatened, you don't need to run, but can fight and defend yourself?

No the SYG law means that if you find yourself in a situation that is unavoidable and you feel that you may be facing great injuries or possibly death that you have a right to use lethal force.

Trayvon had nearly 3 minutes to travel 100 yards to safety. And prosecution has admitted under oath that they have no evidence to show that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. TRAYVON HAD ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO STAND HIS GROUND!!!

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE^[21]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
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[King Mayan]

what a dumbfukk

[sharpcat]

what a dumbfukk

Great argument Mayan

I can't believe that people think that muscle heads like you are not intelligent.

[rsnnh12]

And you don't think someone following you at night, with a gun possibly out, is just cause for thinking you might be in imminent danger? Martin has NO lawful duty to retreat from someone following him. Period. That's the entire point of the damn law. Someone following you, at night, and most likely with a gun out. Yea, you're right, no threat there

[Westcoast0]

its hilarious that people are so passionate about this case

who gives a shit about martin or zimmerman, please

[King Mayan]

Great argument Mayan

I can't believe that people think that muscle heads like you are not intelligent.

Your arguement is zimmerman can follow a person with a gun and that TM had no right to stand his ground

You must be intelligent

[ttrace35]

Great argument Mayan

I can't believe that people think that muscle heads like you are not intelligent.

Makes no sense to argue. You just don't like black people. If the roles were the complete opposite, and a young white kid was shot in a black neighborhood, you would be on the other side, saying how the black guy shouldn't have been following the white kids. Don't make sense to argue with racists like you, just laugh and call you dumbfukk like mayan did.

[Plus573]

I find it funny everyone in this thread that thinks Zimmerman is guilty uses language like this:

He was probably following him probably using threatening language. Trayvon probably felt threatened and stood his ground and attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman probably had a gun shown and thats why Trayvon probably felt threatened.

If you think Zimmerman is guilty that is fine with me, but stop using your own "facts" to fit the situation.

[sharpcat]

And you don't think someone following you at night, with a gun possibly out, is just cause for thinking you might be in imminent danger? Martin has NO lawful duty to retreat from someone following him. Period. That's the entire point of the damn law. Someone following you, at night, and most likely with a gun out. Yea, you're right, no threat there

1) The point of the law is to retreat and avoid conflict, but if it is unavoidable (ie. someone sucker punches you and pins you on the ground beating your head into the pavement.) not to go around attacking people just because they have been following you for 3 minutes.

2) Over 50% of florida residents have concealed carry permits so it is always very likely that they are carrying a gun.

And you don't think someone following you at night, with a gun possibly out, is just cause for thinking you might be in imminent danger?

with a gun possibly out

Fukkin hilarious

So the lead investigator in the case testifies under oath at the bond hearing that he has no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was the aggressor but you suggest that he was "possibly" approaching with his gun drawn?




Please don't stop make some more possible scenarios up, this is classic.

[sharpcat]

Makes no sense to argue. You just don't like black people. If the roles were the complete opposite, and a young white kid was shot in a black neighborhood, you would be on the other side, saying how the black guy shouldn't have been following the white kids. Don't make sense to argue with racists like you, just laugh and call you dumbfukk like mayan did.

Not a big deal Trace, it happens every day we are used to it.

I don't dislike black people I dislike crybabies who piss and moan about racism and profiling but than turn around and act racist themselves and profile people.

[rsnnh12]

What evidence do you expect them to find?! Zimmerman killed the only person who was there for the whole thing! Its not like there's a fukking video of what happened.

Bottom line is you weren't there, so you acting like you know the facts other than what is readily available is laughable. All I've said is that Trayvon had every right to defend himself if he felt threatened, just like Zimmerman did. How can you possibly dispute this?

[sharpcat]

What evidence do you expect them to find?! Zimmerman killed the only person who was there for the whole thing! Its not like there's a fukking video of what happened.

Bottom line is you weren't there, so you acting like you know the facts other than what is readily available is laughable. All I've said is that Trayvon had every right to defend himself if he felt threatened, just like Zimmerman did. How can you possibly dispute this?

Actually I have never acted like I know the facts I have stood firm from the beginning and am basing what I see off of the facts and evidence that have been presented to us so far and how the written law applies. You my friend are one of the ones who is inventing possible scenarios for what may have happened.

Your argument of Trayvon being dead is pointless, it all comes down to the law and the way it is written and as with every law in the books it is required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of a crime using whatever evidence is available. If you do not have evidence you can not convict, you do not start making up possible scenarios of what "might" have happened.


I dispute your argument because you have no evidence to prove that Trayvon was defending himself because according to the law and the evidence we have Zimmerman did not attack Trayvon, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Zimmerman was the attacker.