Is Meat Murder??

[probettor1]

any question about diet? I love to talk about it.

[probettor1]

All the negative things i said are for people in a very long term of veganism. A few month, weeks or even a couple of years are OK. The body has reserves of vit b12 for a few years (up to 5) without taking it. So you might try and see by yourself what a pain is to be a vegan.

[KingJD31]

Is this not the gayest thread every species murders for food

[probettor1]

Is this not the gayest thread every species murders for food

gayest? gay people get meat in all direction.

[probettor1]

asking your self is veganism is the way is not crazy, if fact animals do suffer and would be nice to avoid so if it was good for us but it is not.

[HoulihansTX]

Is this not the gayest thread every species murders for food

that is grossley in correct.

The worlds largest mammal, whales, only eat plankton which is microscopic microbe. Pandas, which are gigantic cusins of bears, are hebivores only eating bamboo. The list goes on.

[Chi_archie]

plant murder counts too

[wantitall4moi]

that is grossley in correct.

The worlds largest mammal, whales, only eat plankton which is microscopic microbe. Pandas, which are gigantic cusins of bears, are hebivores only eating bamboo. The list goes on.

LOL, well for one thing plankton is an animal also. But that obvious mistake aside, not all whales are baleen either. Pandas also eat bird, mice and carcasses of dead animals on occasion. So the two examples you tried to use are both incorrect. However Pandas not so grossly wrong as they do eat bamboo about 99% of the time.

[HoulihansTX]

Wantitall, thanks for splitting hairs.

[HoulihansTX]

Elephants worlds largest land based mammal, herbivore.

Being a vegetarian is understanable. But veganism is just brutal

[probettor1]

The only mammals I know that do not eat meat for sure are a couple a Yoga friends I have. The rest I dont really know.

[HoulihansTX]

Horses, cows, I can go all day

[probettor1]

Animals system is totally different to those, here you go:

B12 and Non-Human Animals

Some have suggested that vegans do not need to fortify their diets with B12, because other herbivorous animals do not do so. For this reason, I have included the following short discussion on the subject.
Summary
There are many ways that mostly, or completely, herbivorous animals can potentially obtain B12 which are not available to vegans living in Western society.
Ruminants
Cows are ruminants, as are bison, buffalo, goats, antelopes, sheep, deer, and giraffes (1). Ruminants have a four-chambered stomach and a rich supply of bacteria in their rumen (the first chamber that their food enters) (1). Some of these bacteria produce B12 in amounts normally sufficient to meet their needs (2).
Primates
Non-human primates typically eat small amounts of eggs, insects, and small vertebrates and/or soil (3). Gorillas, possibly the closest to vegan of all the species closely related to humans, eat insects (3, 4) and sometimes feces (5).
Herbivores
Horses, elephants, zebras, rabbits, hares, and many rodents have large cecums in their digestive tracts, located between the small and large intestine (1) where bacterial fermentation takes place. Some sources say that all non-ruminant herbivores require some B12 fortification of their feeds (2), but at least one source says that bacteria in a horse's digestive tract are able to produce enough B12 if there is enough cobalt in the diet (6).
Many wild herbivores, such as elephants (7), inadvertently ingest soil on a regular basis. Hares, rabbits, and some rodents eat their fecal pellets, which provide an opportunity to obtain vitamins produced by bacteria in their digestive tracts (1).
Cobalt is Necessary for Bacterial Production of B12
The availability of B12 for animals who rely on bacterial synthesis of B12 (rather than getting it from animal foods) is dependent on cobalt levels in the soil. Citing an article from the Annals of the New York Academy of Science (1964;112:735-55), Crane et al. (8) point out that some soils in Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Canada, Ireland, Germany, Holland, Kenya, Poland, South Africa, Sweden, Russia, and the USA have insufficient cobalt for adequate B12 formation. They state, "This is a major concern of ours because vegans commonly seem to hold to the concept that all essential nutrients will be supported in foods from non-animal sources. They fail to realize that plants can grow readily in soil that is too low in cobalt for bacterial action to supply animals with sufficient B12."

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[vitalogist]

The documentary Food, INC. will change your life.

[gauchojake]

[starfire]

I love...
1. Steak
2. PorkChops
3. Sashimi
Slaughter away!

[JohnGalt2341]

I do like quite a few Smiths songs but I also love meat.

Cows are highly under appreciated... if I had to get rid of all Cows or all Politicians... well.. the choice is obvious.

[opie1988]

I try to eat only things which have a face and heartbeat. It is a known fact that the majority of vegans are homosexual.

[probettor1]

I do like quite a few Smiths songs but I also love meat.

Cows are highly under appreciated... if I had to get rid of all Cows or all Politicians... well.. the choice is obvious.

[probettor1]

I try to eat only things which have a face and heartbeat. It is a known fact that the majority of vegans are homosexual.

[RawBillyIce]

YouTube. Durianrider. Dan the life regenerator. And Chef Belive

[Thunder Gulch]

Good grief. Humans were put on this earth with a brain to be at the top of the food chain. You can bet your sweet ass that if a cow was on top of the food chain he'd eat you rabbit food nuts....its the same with fur. I'm not advocating wearing the skin of another animal, but the mink is the biggest prick in the wilderness and if he could take you out, he'd do so with a smile.

[probettor1]

Is meat murder?

Human meat, yes

[itchypickle]

Eating canned veggies that are packaged in sodium is just as bad for your heart and other issues.

Many meats and seafood are good if you don't eat ONLY meat or fast food or ALL veggies without getting a good mix guys. Same goes for fruit...people always say just eat fruit...yet many of them are pure sugars which can be bad also.

Bottom line....variety and moderation goes a long way.

[freelife1]

Fast food, and eating quality meat are two different things.

ohhh...

[probettor1]

Do you guys eat meat? I just watched Kentucky Fried Cruelty

thinking about going vegan

Is time for you to change you member ID, to someone who love chichen so much, Big Chicken makes more sense that big bear

[zert]

Animals are more cruel to their own kind. We were put at the top of the food chain. Animals were put on the earth to provide for us, and not only for food.

[probettor1]

Animals are more cruel to their own kind. We were put at the top of the food chain. Animals were put on the earth to provide for us, and not only for food.

not only for food?, In many jurisdictions, all forms of zoophilic acts are prohibited