Why is noone addressing the pimike/tout issue?

[SportsMushroom]

did no one notice? is he that inconspicuous?

when sweetjones went tout everyone got their panties in a bunch


for those that have no idea what was going on, pimike was posting in the forum a while back and this is what happened:

1. pimike was posting plays on sbr only
2. then he started posting his picks at the same time on a website 'he got as a bday present from his son' as well as on twitter
3. he gradually decrease his posting on sbr and encouraged followers to only get his picks from website/twitter
4. then he starts emailing his plays to all that wanted to receive them instead of posting on sbr, website or tweeter
5. then he introduces donation button and encourages people to donate to show appreciation for free picks
6. 'donations' of a certain amount become mandatory or no email of 'free' picks


during all this he stopped posting on sbr, now he suddenly reappears and starts posting again

seems to me he run out of donors and is here to rinse and repeat

I dont mind touts, or sales people in general, as long as they are honest about what they are trying to sell, this is a bait and switch and pretty sleazy imo

[Sam Odom]

CreditWagering shill too...

But he is a Padres Fan so he is cool

[MJT1212]

damn pmike, thats pretty sneaky

PROPS

[wtf]

all i know he is fukin good at picking nfl winners, so who cares

[SportsMushroom]

Creditwagering shill too...

But he is a Padres Fan so he is cool

also heritage shill

[SportsMushroom]

all i know he is fukin good at picking nfl winners, so who cares

have you ever considered that he might just be on a hot streak?


obviously he was doing well if people we're tailing him and even donating to his website, but if he did indeed run out of customers then that means that the winning ended at some point

[Allure]

Guy is right. Must "donate" to get the plays.

Wonder whether he pays his taxes for his tout service.

[face]

who cares, guy's a hustler big deal

[FourLengthsClear]

I knew he was a shill but had no idea about the touting stuff.

SBR would normally restrict posting rights to the tout forum. Then again with the John Ryan stuff being allowed on the front page and tout services being considered in the store, who knows?

[Iwinyourmoney]

Pimike is good people though. Very good people. At the CR Bash while at the beetle bar he said to me "if anything goes down here...rest assure I have your back bro".
Every bash guy kinda keeps an eye on me cause he's seen me get out of control.

He is good people, tout or not

[SportsMushroom]

Guy is right. Must "donate" to get the plays. Wonder whether he pays his taxes for his tout service.

I dont think so but donations must be exempt from taxation, you still might be obligated to report them though

who cares, guy's a hustler big deal

so people shouldnt be aware of who they are following/sending money to?

I knew he was a shill but had no idea about the touting stuff. SBR would normally restrict posting rights to the tout forum. Then again with the John Ryan stuff being allowed on the front page and tout services being considered in the store, who knows?

difference is john ryan never tried to hide who he was, but he is offering free picks and advice so he is not doing anything different than anyone else with a picks thread on sbr

[SportsMushroom]

Pimike is good people though. Very good people. At the CR Bash while at the beetle bar he said to me "if anything goes down here...rest assure I have your back bro".
Every bash guy kinda keeps an eye on me cause he's seen me get out of control.

He is good people, tout or not

noone in this thread said he was a bad person yet you felt the need to point out that he is not


you are projecting your own thoughts, because in your mind what he did is not what good people do

[wtf]

have you ever considered that he might just be on a hot streak?


obviously he was doing well if people we're tailing him and even donating to his website, but if he did indeed run out of customers then that means that the winning ended at some point

nothing could be further from the truth

he posted that he saw two lines that were in his opinion way off, and flew to fuking vegas to nail them

HE DID NOT POST THE PLAYS

i sent him a pm and told him i do not bet heavily on nfl and thus would not influence anything (i only bet horses) and he sent me the two plays

they both won-in a landslide

this exemplifies knowledge and confidence

he did not go on and beat his chest after that, in fact he did not say ANYTHING ON THE FORUM ABOUT IT

[chilidog]

This isn't news. pimike has been selling his plays for quite some time now.

[PAULYPOKER]

So what you are saying is a man has no right too choose what he does for income unless it is approved of?

[SportsMushroom]

So what you are saying is a man has no right too choose what he does for income unless it is approved of?

I didnt say anything

I just stated what happened people are awfully defensive for some reason, and I think I know what that reason is

[Chi_archie]

Guy only has lIke four months left to hustle up money before the end of the world. I say let him be

[SportsMushroom]

nothing could be further from the truth

he posted that he saw two lines that were in his opinion way off, and flew to fuking vegas to nail them

HE DID NOT POST THE PLAYS

i sent him a pm and told him i do not bet heavily on nfl and thus would not influence anything (i only bet horses) and he sent me the two plays

they both won-in a landslide

this exemplifies knowledge and confidence

he did not go on and beat his chest after that, in fact he did not say ANYTHING ON THE FORUM ABOUT IT

I dont know what he does now, I said what he did in the past

but I do find it interesting that one day you have to 'donate' 500 to get some picks from him, and the next day he is sending them out for free

[crustyme]

he touts that the world will soon end (twice in 2011 and 2012) yet is charging people? what does he need the money for, so he can bribe st peter to let an immoral sinner in to heaven?

[SportsMushroom]

he touts that the world will soon end (twice in 2011 and 2012) yet is charging people? what does he need the money for, so he can bribe st peter to let an immoral sinner in to heaven?

Guy only has lIke four months left to hustle up money before the end of the world. I say let him be

he must have inside info that the dollar will still be considered as legal tender in the afterlife

I wonder what the exchange rate will be for american dollars to pearly gate koruna

[FourLengthsClear]

difference is john ryan never tried to hide who he was, but he is offering free picks and advice so he is not doing anything different than anyone else with a picks thread on sbr

Don't be so naive!

http://www.sbrforum.com/soccer/free-picks/john-ryan-answers-your-questions-a-23075/

When all is said and done, is there any evidence of Pimike actually trying to solicit clients to his website? If no, there is nothing to address. If yes, report it.

[SportsMushroom]

Don't be so naive!

http://www.sbrforum.com/soccer/free-picks/john-ryan-answers-your-questions-a-23075/

When all is said and done, is there any evidence of Pimike actually trying to solicit clients to his website? If no, there is nothing to address. If yes, report it.

since when are there criteria and limitations to what is posted on players forum? there are threads created in this forum asking how much you should tip a masseuse for a handjob but its my thread that seems to bother you, also what john ryan is doing seems to bother you but at the same time you seem to be defending pimike which is doing what ryan is doing, except in a much sleezier fashion


let me explain something to you, most scammers dont solicit money from clients, they make them hand it over voluntarily, just ask people like bernie madoff, people were begging him to take their money, and they were thanking and praising him while he was living off their dime

[ACoochy]

have you ever considered that he might just be on a hot streak?


obviously he was doing well if people we're tailing him and even donating to his website, but if he did indeed run out of customers then that means that the winning ended at some point

Whoa u really should think b4 opening ur mouth...

As a customer who donated to his 'fund' for a couple of months back in 2010 i can say that besides the padres debacle the guy was +EV.....

If u have half a fukkin idea (which u obviously dont) u wouldnt bash this guy...

[FourLengthsClear]

since when are there criteria and limitations to what is posted on players forum? there are threads created in this forum asking how much you should tip a masseuse for a handjob but its my thread that seems to bother you, also what john ryan is doing seems to bother you but at the same time you seem to be defending pimike which is doing what ryan is doing, except in a much sleezier fashion


let me explain something to you, most scammers dont solicit money from clients, they make them hand it over voluntarily, just ask people like bernie madoff, people were begging him to take their money, and they were thanking and praising him while he was living off their dime

Before 'explaining' anything, I suggest to actually click the link that I posted.

I am not "bothered" by John Ryan and I am not "defending" Pimike. Maybe you are 'projecting your own thoughts'.

You started this thread asking why the situation was not being addressed. What are you suggesting should be done? Should Pimike be banned? Should he be restricted to Service Plays?

[BIGDAY]

Sounds like a great way to get rid of the trolls of you ask me. +EV in my book.

Met the guy. Great guy to hang out with and has a keen sense to spot value.

[PAULYPOKER]

I know Willie Bee used too protect him from me calling him out,I received plenty of infractions for telling it how it was..........

[SportsMushroom]

Whoa u really should think b4 opening ur mouth...

As a customer who donated to his 'fund' for a couple of months back in 2010 i can say that besides the padres debacle the guy was +EV.....

If u have half a fukkin idea (which u obviously dont) u wouldnt bash this guy...

I didnt trash him at all, please point out were I trash him, it will be greatly appreciated

here are my observations of your response:

1. if he is +EV then why did you only 'donate' for two months? why are you not following his pick any more, are you that rich that you can afford to pass up free money? the same reason that made you go pro should have made you keep 'donatin' to pimike

2. I didnt trash him, I simply pointed out his questionable methods for obtaining clients, but you felt like I was attacking him for some reason and felt the need to defend him because you realize that his methods I just described sound fishy, and that bothers you because you feel that if he is a scammer and you donated to him, then you have been a victim of a scam and that might make you seem less than bright.

3. you insult me even though I did not insult you, or pimike, obviously you have no good points to make or else you would not resort to name calling, the fact that you 'donated' to his fund is not really evidence that I am wrong, it just proves my point that he asks for compensation for his picks, so he is in fact a tout

[iifold]

I am loyal to "The Spread Beneath My Wings"...

For now...

[SportsMushroom]

Before 'explaining' anything, I suggest to actually click the link that I posted.

I am not "bothered" by John Ryan and I am not "defending" Pimike. Maybe you are 'projecting your own thoughts'.

You started this thread asking why the situation was not being addressed. What are you suggesting should be done? Should Pimike be banned? Should he be restricted to Service Plays?

projecting my own thoughts? how can I be projecting when I made my thoughts pretty clear, yes john ryan and pimike are the same, but john ryan is open with his intentions while pimike tries to misguide people, he pretends to be giving something for free and then comes out and asks for money for services already rendered


the reason I was wondering why it was not addressed was because everyone that has ever tried to post his way into touthood has been bashed relentlessly on sbr, yet for some reason noone until now had actually acknowledged that pimike used this forum to gather clients, which obviously is frowned upon by everyone on sbr that does not have expectations of becoming a tout himself

[FourLengthsClear]

projecting my own thoughts? how can I be projecting when I made my thoughts pretty clear, yes john ryan and pimike are the same, but john ryan is open with his intentions while pimike tries to misguide people, he pretends to be giving something for free and then comes out and asks for money for services already rendered

the reason I was wondering why it was not addressed was because everyone that has ever tried to post his way into touthood has been bashed relentlessly on sbr, yet for some reason noone until now had actually acknowledged that pimike used this forum to gather clients

I can only speak for myself but I have not seen any evidence of it and as I mentioned in my first post, I had no idea that we was a tout at all.

[MJT1212]

Let the man do his hustle, he's not FORCING you to buy...

[SportsMushroom]

I can only speak for myself but I have not seen any evidence of it and as I mentioned in my first post, I had no idea that we was a tout at all.

I wont go back to read all the responses, but there are atleast 3-4 people that directly verify what I am saying, and most of the rest are indirectly verifying it, lets not forget couchy that has already admitted to 'donating'

the reason that not many people realize what he is doing is because he doesnt ask for donations on sbr, he instead gets people to sign up to get his 'free' plays by e-mail, and then ask for money through personal email addresses

[phillybadboy]

touts make sbr lame

[ACoochy]

I didnt trash him at all, please point out were I trash him, it will be greatly appreciated

here are my observations of your response:

1. if he is +EV then why did you only 'donate' for two months? why are you not following his pick any more, are you that rich that you can afford to pass up free money? the same reason that made you go pro should have made you keep 'donatin' to pimike

2. I didnt trash him, I simply pointed out his questionable methods for obtaining clients, but you felt like I was attacking him for some reason and felt the need to defend him because you realize that his methods I just described sound fishy, and that bothers you because you feel that if he is a scammer and you donated to him, then you have been a victim of a scam and that might make you seem less than bright.

3. you insult me even though I did not insult you, or pimike, obviously you have no good points to make or else you would not resort to name calling, the fact that you 'donated' to his fund is not really evidence that I am wrong, it just proves my point that he asks for compensation for his picks, so he is in fact a tout

Shut up and learn from ur superiors u illiterate fukk for im only saying this once....

If u check my record across multiple forums over multiple years u will see clearly that i am a winning player. One of only a handful or two that can say so...If anything im more qualified to go tout than most here...

So y then if im a winning capper would i pay someone $20 for 2 months access to picks?? Why not?? Heard the guy was solid and for the large part this was correct. 1st and only time ive paid someone though...

So all of a sudden u have issues with creative investing??? Isnt ur country in like $15 trillion of debt from those who use 'creative' investing to send u back 25 years?? Yet u choose to rag on a single individual...Says so much about ur character by saying very little...

[SportsMushroom]

Let the man do his hustle, he's not FORCING you to buy...

well, I agree, he can carry on his hustle, I never said otherwise

just wondering why noone cares

also to quote myself again, scammers dont force their victims to buy, they trick them into doing it voluntarily, bernie maddoff style