A question for 9/11 Conspiracy theory believers..

[rsnnh12]

really didnt want to spark a debate whether or not it was an inside job lol

Sorry

Someone brought it up, I had to respond. This is one of my biggest pet peeves :/

I honestly don't think a CTer will answer your question, they'll choose to ignore it and mention how everyone else is a sheep controlled by Fox News. Its their nature.

[Cuse0323]

Sorry

Someone brought it up, I had to respond. This is one of my biggest pet peeves :/

I honestly don't think a CTer will answer your question, they'll choose to ignore it and mention how everyone else is a sheep controlled by Fox News. Its their nature.

I am a conspiracy theorist and I watch Fox News, sometimes. I feel like I'm one of the few CTers who is conservative.

[Vaughany]

if a US citizen truely believes that his/her government would do such a thing, then the citizen knows that the government wouldnt have the USA's interest's at heart. then from there point of view they would be true blue american, so they could infact claim to be US citizens and still want to live in the USA. you the american people own the USA not your government.

Do you think tht any other Government is different?!

[Vaughany]

I suggest those laughing at "conspiracy theorists" have a look in to "Opeation Northwoods" before criticizing!

[onetrickpony]

There was no stand down. It just isn't as easy to scramble fighters and get them to a specific target as quickly as people think it is. No one even considered commerical planes being used as weapons, and no Air Force would ever attack us, so scrambling our fighters was only planned for when commerical/private planes encountered mechanical problems/bad weather/etc

they had 30 mins before the boeing reached the pentagon, ur telling me bases andrew and langley dont have enough time? and its not "us" its a unresponsive hijacked plane heading for the Nations capital after 2 just hit the wtc

[Wiggums5]

There was no stand down. It just isn't as easy to scramble fighters and get them to a specific target as quickly as people think it is. No one even considered commerical planes being used as weapons, and no Air Force would ever attack us, so scrambling our fighters was only planned for when commerical/private planes encountered mechanical problems/bad weather/etc

Totally incorrect. NORAD was conducting "wargames" on 9/11 in which they simulate commercial planes going into buildings. They were doing and practicing this for years. All fighters were mysteriously scrambled away from the east coast that day to partake in these wargames. Look it up.

[Vesuvius]

you can absolutely ask that question...its pretty simple.

If you think the Gov't was behind such a horrific act, how can you possibly still live here?

pretty cut and dry. Not asking if you think its an inside job or not. Just asking how you can remain a citizen here if you believe your own govt would do such a thing

I agree, very good point.

[str]

Nothing small about what happened at the Pentagon.

[flocko76]

why bother debating, no one will be changing their mind over what they read here. they just want the bonus point

[ByeShea]

have you read anything about 9/11? jesus christ. would take too long to explain here and i would rather not get into an argument about it

It would take forever to explain how a conspiracy with zero plausible motives or historical precedents could be perpetrated pulled off without a single informant from the inside blowing the whistle.

This is not to mention that AQ claimed responsibility for the act.

The Hitler secretly loved Jews conspiracy holds more water, you f*ckin retard.

[pronk]

My question is this though....to the people that really believe 9/11 was an inside job (which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion)...if you firmly believe the government caused this, and is capable of something like this, how can you possibly still live in this country? If you believe the government is capable of such carnage and the killing of innocent people, how can you possibly still be a US citizen and have not moved out of the country yet?

Thomas Jefferson said- "Every generation needs a new revolution.”
The day is coming when we will all witness the Greatest Tribunal in American history when Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Panetta, Obama, Emmanuel, Clintons, Cheney, Rice and other deranged criminals guilty in destruction of good olde US of A shall face the sweet JUSTICE and hopefully would eventually face the gallow pole or the firing squad
Nurnberg Trial will look like a cakewalk in comparison of what's to come

[The Inevitable]

To answer OP question:

The founding fathers did not design a corrupt government. So it's not the government that's corrupt, it's the people in the government that are scum. Why should we have to leave? They should be the ones that need to get the fuk out.

[dinaro7]

any one who thinks the 9/11 was an inside job is dumb as a rock and has shit for brains

[pronk]

Listen carefully to this interview fellas and your blindness will fade the hell away




Dr. Steve Pieczenik, Top US government insider, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker, NY Tiimes best-selling author, M.D. from Cornell University Medical College, Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T, principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance, currently an advisor to the Department of Defense talks about 9/11 on the Alex Jones Show -

[BettingWizard]

every government has or is capable of doing this.........no reason to move

[BettingWizard]

any one who thinks the 9/11 was an inside job is dumb as a rock and has shit for brains

anyone who thinks a plane can make a steel building fall demolition style in 8 seconds is the idiot

[pronk]

any one who thinks the 9/11 was an inside job is dumb as a rock and has shit for brains

First-finish your middle school pea-brains and quit doing hard drugs before you voice your "opinion" on this subject

[Fischnasty]

goog say pronk

[Kindred]

9-11 truthers are as delusional as the guys who say poker and casinos and games are fixed because they don't win..like they have a god given right to always win...yup bush did it

[757sFinest]

Do people not realize Prison Planet is not a legitimate news source?

Now that is funny!! Do people not realize there is no such thing as a legitimate news source. H e l l o

[mitote]

News sources are regulated by the Gov! So can we believe any of them?

[pronk]

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12 part interview by Steve Quayle
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[thebertshow]

9/11 was done by a bunch of pissed off muslims.

Deal with it.

[BettingWizard]

9/11 was done by a bunch of pissed off muslims.

Deal with it.

that were trained by the government. They knew why they were getting their pilot licenses and planned accordingly

[rsnnh12]

Totally incorrect. NORAD was conducting "wargames" on 9/11 in which they simulate commercial planes going into buildings. They were doing and practicing this for years. All fighters were mysteriously scrambled away from the east coast that day to partake in these wargames. Look it up.

Completely false. The wargame simulation of hijacked commercial planes didn't take place until June 2002. June 2001 had a cruise missile from a rogue nation as its simulation.

If you really want the truth, I suggest you read this whole page (and site if you have time), so you can see how Alex Jones and others manipulated facts and quotes to spew their conspiracy garbage. This goes in detail about the war games, and other aspects of 9/11 on their other pages.

[drfunkmaster]

NO large building has ever come down from a fire burning for mere 40 minutes.. you got shit for brains to believe that...STEEL STRUCTURE BUILDING!!!

[rsnnh12]

[QUOTE=pronk;9904054]Listen carefully to this interview fellas and your blindness will fade the hell away

No proof no care

[rsnnh12]

anyone who thinks a plane can make a steel building fall demolition style in 8 seconds is the idiot

8 seconds? Cmon now, at least get the numbers right. Instead of me typing out a long post explaining how this is wrong, I'll just link you to a site that disproves all of this "free fall" crap. Don't worry, I don't expect a response

[rsnnh12]

NO large building has ever come down from a fire burning for mere 40 minutes.. you got shit for brains to believe that...STEEL STRUCTURE BUILDING!!!

No large building has ever stayed standing after being hit by a commercial plane going 500+ mph either...

[pronk]

borrowed this from another thread


In the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell. --Justice Black. NYT v. US. 403 US 713

[onetrickpony]

No large building has ever stayed standing after being hit by a commercial plane going 500+ mph either...

it was said prior to 9/11 the towers were able to withstand a boeing 747 impact, the prior model to boeing 757 which hit the towers, dont think there was a big difference in the planes/

[onetrickpony]

steel reinforced structure just collapses like a controlled demolition, doesnt seem strange to some of u

[rsnnh12]

it was said prior to 9/11 the towers were able to withstand a boeing 747 impact, the prior model to boeing 757 which hit the towers, dont think there was a big difference in the planes/

It was a 707, not 747, and at a speed of 100 mph (again, the ones that hit were going 500+)

There is a big difference between those 2. Also, the engineers didn't factor the fuel load in, and didn't account for the fire-proofing on the trusses being stripped away by the high speed impact.

[rsnnh12]

steel reinforced structure just collapses like a controlled demolition, doesnt seem strange to some of u

If it was a controlled demolition, why didn't the collapse start at the bottom? Both Towers CLEARLY started to collapse at the impact points. Any demolition setup at those points would have been rendered useless by the plane impact, making it literally impossible for a controlled demolition.

Just because it looked like a controlled demolition, doesn't mean it was

[pronk]

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
- Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776 at the Philadelphia State House

Let me set down a couple of fervent beliefs that animate everything I do and everything I say.
I believe that God created heaven and earth and every single individual on the planet.
I believe that the God who gave us life gave us liberty and that freedom is our birthright.
I believe that the States created the federal government and not the other way around. And that the power that the States gave to the Federal Government – they can take back.
When we were colonists, and the King and the Parliament needed money from us, and they always seemed to need money, they devised ingenious ways to tax us. One of them was called the Stamp Act. The Parliament decreed that every piece of paper that the Colonists had in their homes; every book, every document, every deed, every lease, every pamphlet, every poster to be nailed to a tree had to have the King’s stamp on it. You think going to a Post Office is bad? You had to go to a British Government office and buy a stamp with the King’s picture.
Question. How did the King know that his picture was on every piece of paper in your house? The Parliament enacted a hateful piece of legislation called the Writs of Assistance Act which let the king’s soldiers write their own search warrants, and bang down any door they chose to look for the stamps or anything else that they were looking for.
It was the last straw.

We fought a revolution. We won the revolution. We wrote the Constitution. The constitution doesn’t grant power, it keeps the government off our backs.
When they were debating the Constitution in the summer of 1787 in Philadelphia, there were two great arguments – one by the Jefferson and Madison crowd and one by the Adams and Hamilton crowd. Jefferson argued, though he wasn’t physically there in Philly, as he did in the Declaration of Independence that our rights are ours by virtue of our humanity. That as God is perfectly free, and we are created in his image and likeness, we too are perfectly free. The big government crowd – yes they had them even in those days – argued that you can’t have freedom without government, and that government gives us our rights, and therefore, that government can take them away. This is not an academic argument. Jefferson and the natural law argument prevailed because the Constitution was written to keep the government from interfering with our natural rights.
And so, your right to think as you wish, to say what you think, to publish what you say, to travel where you want, to worship as you see fit, to keep and bear arms to defend yourself against a tyranny. And, after the right to life, the greatest and most uniquely American of rights – and I say this in front of the seat of the government – is the right to be left alone.
We wrote a Constitution to ensure that the government would never interfere with these rights. Think about it – if rights come from the government, then the government, by ordinary legislation, or presidential decree can take them away. But if the rights come from our humanity, then unless we violate someone else’s natural rights, the government cannot take our rights away.

This is not just a democrat, upper case D, or a republican, upper case R, problem. It’s a problem with government today. There’s a republican version of big government just as assaultive to our liberties as the democrat version of big government.
We fought a revolution because British soldiers could knock on our doors and demand that we house them, and demand that we turn over property to them because they could write their own search warrants. In the Patriot Act, the most hateful piece of legislation since the Alien and Sedition Acts, a republican congress and a republican president authorized federal agents to do the unthinkable – to write their own search warrants. And the republican administration didn’t even let members of the House of Representatives read the Patriot Act before they voted on it.
Why should the government be able to spy on us? We should be able to spy on them!
When some judge is rationalizing away our liberty, or some congressman is plotting to take away your freedom or your tax dollars, we should know what they do every minute that they do it.
I was speaking to a group of congressman from a neighboring state – I won’t tell you which state it was, but they don’t play football there – and they came up to me and said “this is the first time we have heard that the Patriot Act allows federal agents to write their own search warrants.” Remember, in the Constitution, we put in the 4th Amendment, the right to be left alone, to make sure that if the government had a target, no matter how guilty the target, no matter how widespread is the belief in the guilt of the target, no matter how dangerous is the target, the government has to go through a neutral judge with a search warrant before it can get to that target. These members of Congress said, “we didn’t know that the Patriot Act allowed the government to bypass the courts and write any search warrant they wanted.” Then I asked them a question I knew the answer to already – did you read the Patriot Act before you voted on it? The answer – no. What were you voting on? A summary we received. Let me guess who wrote the summary – some lawyers in the justice department, right? Of course.

Would you hire anybody to run your business that committed you to a violation of the very reason you’re in business if they didn’t even read the document by which they were making that commitment? Of course not.
The camera is the new gun. There’s nothing that government dislikes more than the light of day, and cameras recording what the government is doing, whether it’s on a street corner, or in there, or in Washington D.C., we have the right to know everything that they do and why they do it, and when they do it, and how they are taking our freedoms.
I have another one of my basic core beliefs. The individual has an immortal soul. Every individual is greater than any government.
Your government is based on fear and force. You don’t have to take my word on it. The 2nd president on the United States, John Adams, said “Of course the government is based on fear.” And the first president, George Washington, said “Government is not reason, it is force.” I think they knew what they were talking about.
Now fast-forward to modern times. Whenever the government wants something, it scares us. During the civil war, Lincoln tried civilians in this state where no battles occurred, by military tribunal. After he died the Supreme Court invalidated everything the military tribunals did. During the first world war, the Wilson administration locked up 2000 people called anarchists – same thing as enemy combatants. No trial, no charge, just jail for the duration of the war. In World War II, FDR locked up 150,000 Japanese Americans, people born in the United States, who got no trial and had no charges, and when the war was over were given $25 and told to go home.

Today we have federal agents. You know I get in arguments with my friends at Fox News, and one of them, I don’t have to tell you who it is, but is truly the most irascible person there. And he said to me, you know you have a problem with Guantanamo Bay, and you have a problem with the Patriot Act, what will you do if I get sent to Guantanamo Bay, will you visit me? And I say, Bill – no, because they’ll probably keep me there as well.
Government likes to say that it’s taking an oath to uphold the Constitution. In the years that I was on the bench, it seemed that every time government lawyers were in my courtroom, if the government was prosecuting someone who was legitimately guilty or whether it was a mistake, or whether somebody was suing the government because government contractors or government doctors, or government workers made a mistake – the government doesn’t come in to the courtroom to enforce the constitution, it comes into the courtroom to evade and avoid it. That, ladies and gentlemen, must be stopped.
This is a great moment in our history. A crowd of this magnitude on a beautiful day, in the boiling sun, in the most middle-American of great middle-American states…comes together not because the president is a democrat, not because his predecessor was a republican, not because a war is just or unjust, not because the Fed is stealing or printing – you’re here because you believe in human freedom.

It is the essence of our existence that we should be free. But remember this: the government hates freedom. It is an obstacle to every one of their designs. Whenever they write laws, whenever they take your tax dollars, whenever they regulate your private behavior, whenever they tell you how to spend your money, whenever they tell you what medicines to take, whenever they tell you what food to eat, whenever they tell you with whom you may or must associate, they are taking away your freedom and they love to get away with it. And they cannot get away with it any longer.
In the long history of the world, very few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its maximum hour of danger. This is that moment and you are that generation! Now is the time to defend our freedoms.
Jefferson was no saint but he was the greatest of our American presidents. He believed that the individual was greater than the state. He believed that the states were greater than the federal government. And when he wrote that our rights come from our creator, and that our rights are inalienable, he forever wed the notion of natural rights to the American experience and the American experiment. We must be vigilant about every right that the government wants to take away from us.
You’ve heard the president say, present president and his predecessor, “my first job is to keep you safe.” He’s wrong! His first job is to keep us free. It is his only job to keep us free.
Shortly before he died, Jefferson lamented, that in his view of the world it was the natural order of things for government to grow and freedom to be diminished; how ardently he wish that that wouldn’t happen. And in order to prevent it from happening he had a very simple remedy, “When the people fear the government, that is tyranny. When the government fears the people, that is liberty!”

What do you do if government violates our natural rights? You do what the law of the United States says you do- it is a duty of the people to alter and abolish a Government that violates our rights.

August 4, 2009

Judge Andrew Napolitano