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Sigh with the conspiracy theories. They need to release the pictures and the actual videos of the Navy Seals doing work to shut people up.Comment -
I think he's still alive.... may be... God knows wat's trueComment -
He can't be dead, absolutely he is still alive.Comment -
They invite conspiracy theories by doing shit like this.Originally posted by JDUB07
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people hate bush. people hate obama. i love points (and boobies).Comment -
N.O.S., there have been great advances in the field of psychiatric medicine. You might want to look into it.Comment -
I hope this is true!Comment -
your government really thinks you guys are a bunch of idiots. buried him at sea the next day? lmao what bullshit.Comment -
What is it about Americans that so many want to believe wackjob conspiracy theories?Comment -
oh lord i am tired of conspiricacyComment -
This is a joke ! Everything is possible but I do not believe in that!Comment -
so you're saying he's dead though..Comment -
He has made tapes that reference events that have happened after 2001 so this theory is ridiculous.Comment -
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Ron Paul, a congressman and Republican presidential candidate, said “confusion” in the White House accounts of events in Abbottabad was fuelling doubts. “The question I have is why does our government invite conspiracy theories all the time? Why don’t they show a picture?” he said.Comment -
The question is how U.S. helicopters could fly deep into Pakistan- one of the most-watched, high-security border zones in the World undetected and unchallenged. This staged operation "to kill Osama" was in cooperation and blessing of Pakistani President and pakistani forces were allert about that.Comment -
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
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The Death of bin Ladenism
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With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
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"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."
Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.
When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."
Peter Bergen: Bin Laden has aged 'enormously'
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(CNN) -- On Thursday night, CNN aired parts of an interview with Osama bin Laden that the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera recorded in late October.
Al-Jazeera said it didn't air the tape because it wasn't newsworthy, and announced Thursday it was severing its relationship with CNN, claiming the interview was stolen and aired illegally. CNN disputes that.
CNN's Paula Zahn discussed the tape Friday with CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, who has been studying bin Laden and his operation for several years.
CNN: Before we talk about the substance of this tape, let's once again talk about Al-Jazeera. At first, Al-Jazeera .... denied that it even existed. Then they came out and said they never aired it because it wasn't newsworthy. Well, you've seen this tape. Is maybe a more rational explanation that they didn't want to air this because it was so indicting?
BERGEN: You know, I'm frankly very puzzled. This was the only television interview that bin Laden ever gave and, frankly, if he was reading out of the telephone book it would be newsworthy. And the fact is that there is quite a lot of -- it is very indicting. I mean, on a couple of occasions, he basically seems to take responsibility for the events of 9-11. He sort of ducks the question of anthrax. But this is all very interesting.
So frankly I'm just perplexed why they chose not to air it. I mean I'm not privy to all the facts of the case, but it's a very puzzling episode.
CNN: The U.S. government also obtained this independently. So what was the incentive in holding this back from the American public?
BERGEN: Well, Paula, I mean, again, I'm just really, really perplexed. Al-Jazeera bills its reputation as being a sort of independent broadcaster in the Middle East, different from some of the other broadcasters that are basically government entities. Perhaps they came under some pressure from their own government, the government of Qatar, not to broadcast this.
But I think there's some facts that we don't know yet which will elucidate this funny and rather strange episode.
CNN: Many Islamic analysts have suggested that Osama bin Laden has always distorted the Muslim faith. What do you make of his continued (statements that) it's permissible under Islamic law for innocents to kill other innocents?
BERGEN: Well, it's just ludicrous. I'm not an Islamic scholar. But I mean there's nothing -- and the Koran is very, very explicit about -- even if you accept the dubious premise that somehow this holy war was justified -- civilians are off-limits in any kind of war as far as the Koran and as far as Islamic traditions are concerned. This is a very unusual interpretation. It cannot be justified in Islam.
CNN: The last interview you did with bin Laden was back in 1997. How different was the Osama bin Laden we saw in this tape, the interview taped late in October of 2001?
BERGEN: He's actually quite similar. I mean, in terms of his demeanor and his voice -- these kinds of things are quite similar. The big difference is that he's aged enormously between '97 and October of last year.
This is a man who was clearly not well. I mean, as you see from these pictures here, he's really, by December he's looking pretty terrible. But by December, of course, that tape that was aired then, he's barely moving the left side of his body. So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems.
I mean, this is a man who has a number of health problems, apart from the fact that anybody running around the Afghan mountains is not going to be in great shape.
CNN: And, of course, the question that people continue to debate is not only is he not well, is he still alive today? Peter Bergen, thank you very much for coming along to share your insights with us this morning.
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Bin laden was not killed by some navy seals.. He died long ago.. This drama is just there so OBAMA could get elected again. now on to more important things, lets go CanucksComment -
Predictable that there would be ridiculous conspiracy theories.Comment -
Osama is dead. Who is next in line. I want him dead too.
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how did he die back in 2001? who is this conspiracy theorist?
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Watch Dr. Pieczenik's interview (post #53) in its entirety if you want to know the truthOriginally posted by secretstashComment -
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Paul Joseph Watson
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May 4, 2011
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.
“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.
“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.
Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”
Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”
Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.
“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.
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“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.
“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.
Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”
Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.Comment -
Dr. Steve Pieczenik, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker, NY Tiimes best-selling author, M.D. from Cornell University Medical College, Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T, principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance, currently an advisor to the Department of Defense talks about 9/11 on the Alex Jones Show -
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"They ran the attacks. 9/11 IS A TOTAL MANUFACTURE of one organization, the White House under Bush Jr. Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld - the event of 9/11 was carried out for one purpose. It was carried out to mobilise the American public to go to a war that they didn't need to go to, that they knew nothing about, where we had prepositioned soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq 6 to 9 months beforehand. Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush Jr., Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams and the White House, Zalmay Halizad, Dennis Ross, Condolezza Rice, all the Air Force Generals who were involved. They can deny it, but I have a whole list of names, they know who they are - and the intel, the CIA operatives who worked on the SO/LIC - Special Operatives Low Intensity Conflict were all involved. It was called a STANDDOWN, FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO MOBILIZE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNDER FALSE PRETENSE that we were attacked by al Queda and Osama Bin Laden, which is an absolute unmitigated lie. It was told to me by the General on the staff of Wolfowitz. I WILL GO IN FRONT OF A FEDERAL COMMITTEE AND WEAR ON PERJURY WHO THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL IS, so that we can break it open. I was furious, I knew it had happened - I taught standdown and false flag operations at the National War College. I've taught it to all my operatives so I know exactly what was done to the American public.
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The conspiracy theorists need to get together and at least find a dumb alternate story they can agree on. Some have him still alive and captured some have him dead for a year, some say 10 years.Comment -
You are not very bright, aren't you? Would you please find some time and listen to what he has to say.Originally posted by GoldenRichards
Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.
Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.
During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.
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Good for him. Without proof, his word means NOTHING.Originally posted by pronkYou are not very bright, aren't you? Would you please find some time and listen to what he has to say.
Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.
Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.
During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.
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People that think the US was behind 9/11 won't listen to anyone in the govt because they claim they don't have proof, but now this guy comes out just saying crap, and they take it as 100% truth. The irony is ******* hystericalComment -
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Would you rather believe Rahm Emmanuel who has masters degree in ballet dancing and his puppet Obama or will you listen to the voice of reason? I know most of you are lazy sons of bitches but to be so goddamn blind and stupid is inexcusableComment -
Actually, I hate Obama. I think he'll go down as one of the worst presidents ever.Originally posted by pronk
My point is, neither are producing proof. Obama isn't proving they killed Osama, so people question it. This guy comes out saying Obama is lying, people believe it. The hypocrisy is embarassingly obvious. Until I see PROOF, both are full of shit.
Not to mention, this guy says 9/11 was an inside job, which is just moronic. MAYBE, at most, they could've potentially prevented it, that's it. The govt wasn't behind it tho.Comment -
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all this talk about him being dead got us wondering when and how did he really die? would they honestly kill this guy and dump his body hours after they shot him? and they said he was unarmed, so why would they shoot him? better alive than dead so we can serve him justice and give him a hard long life.Comment -
I think osama is not dead, he is still alive, its just stupid talks abuot him everywhere..Comment
