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  • Ninersnut
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    • 05-20-10
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    Interesting Article-Who Really Owns the US
    Pulled from Yahoo finance so take it for what it's worth. I thought it was an interesting read.



    Regardless of how much closer Obama's budget brings our economy into a balance of payments not seen since 2001, we will continue to run deficits for the next decade, and the national debt will keep growing every year that happens.
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    While most of the country's $14 trillion debt is held by private banks in the U.S., the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve Board estimate that, as of December, about $4.4 trillion of it was held by foreign governments that purchase our treasury securities much as an investor buys shares in a company and comes to own his or her little chunk of the organization.
    Looking at the list of our top international creditors, a few overall characteristics show some interesting trends: Three of the top 10 spots are held by China and its constituent parts, and while two of our biggest creditors are fellow English-speaking democracies, a considerable share of our debt is held by oil exporters that tend to be decidedly less friendly in other areas of international relations.
    Here we break down the top 10 foreign holders of U.S. debt, comparing each creditor's holdings with the equivalent chunk of the United States they "own," represented by the latest (2009) state gross domestic product data released by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. Obviously, these creditors won't actually take states from us as payment on our debts, but it's fun to imagine what states and national monuments they could assert a claim to.
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    <BIG>1. Mainland China</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $891.6 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 20.4%
    Building on the holdings of its associated territories, China is the undisputed largest holder of U.S. foreign debt in the world. Accounting for 20.4% of the total, mainland China's $891.6 billion in U.S. treasury securities is almost equal to the combined 2009 GDP of Illinois ($630.4 billion) and Indiana ($262.6 billion) in 2009, a shade higher at a combined $893 billion. As President Obama -- who is from Chicago -- wrangles over his proposed budget with Congress he may be wise to remember that his home city may be at stake in the deal.
    <BIG>2. Japan</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $883.6 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 20.2%
    The runner-up on the list of our most significant international creditors goes to Japan, which accounts for over a fifth of our foreign debt holdings with $883.6 billion in U.S. treasury securities. That astronomical number is just shy of the combined GDP of a significant chunk of the lower 48: Minnesota ($260.7 billion), Wisconsin ($244.4 billion), Iowa ($142.3 billion) and Missouri ($239.8 billion) produced a combined output of $887.2 billion in 2009.
    <BIG>3. United Kingdom</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $541.3 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 12.4%
    At number three on the list is perhaps our closest ally on the world stage, the United Kingdom (which includes the British provinces of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man). The U.K. holds $541.3 billion in U.S. foreign debt, which is 12.4% of our total external debt. That amount is equivalent to the combined GDP of two East Coast manufacturing hubs, Delaware ($60.6 billion) and New Jersey ($483 billion) -- which was named, yes, after the island of Jersey in the English Channel. The two states' combined output in 2009 came to $543.6 billion.
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    <BIG>4. Oil Exporters</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $218 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 5%
    Another grouped entry, the oil exporters form another international bloc with money to burn. The group includes 15 countries as diverse as the regions they represent: Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria. As a group they hold 5% of all American foreign debt, with a combined $218 billion of U.S. treasury securities in their own treasuries. That's roughly equivalent to the combined 2009 GDP of Nebraska ($86.4 billion) and Kansas ($124.9 billion), which seems to be an equal trade: The two states produce a bunch of grain for export, which many of the arid oil producers tend to trade for oil.
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    <BIG>5. Brazil</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $180.8 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 4.1%
    Rounding out the top five is the largest economy in South America, Brazil. The country known for its beaches, Carnaval and the unbridled hedonism that goes along with both has made a big investment in the U.S., buying up $180.8 billion in American debt up to December. That's almost equal to the $180.5 billion combined GDP of Idaho ($54 billion) and Nevada ($126.5 billion), a state that is no stranger to hedonism itself.
    <BIG>6. Caribbean Banking Centers</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $155.6 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 3.6%
    You have to have cash on hand to buy up U.S. government debt, and offshore banking has given six countries the combined capital needed to make the Caribbean Banking Centers our sixth-largest foreign creditor. The Treasury Department counts the Bahamas, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Netherlands Antilles, Panama and the British Virgin Islands in this designation, which as a group holds $155.6 billion in U.S. treasury securities. That's equivalent to the GDP of landlocked Kentucky ($156.6 billion), whose residents may not actually mind if they were ever to become an extension of some Caribbean island paradise.
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    <BIG>7. Hong Kong</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $138.2 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 3.2%
    At No. 7 on the list of our foreign creditors is Hong Kong, a formerly British part of China that maintains a separate government and economic ties than the communist mainland. With $138.2 billion in U.S. treasury securities, the capitalist enclave could lay claim to Yellowstone Park and our nation's capital: The combined GDP of Wyoming ($37.5 billion) and Washington D.C. ($99.1 billion) totaled $136.6 billion in 2009.
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    <BIG>8. Canada</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $134.6 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 3.1%
    They say that a friend in need is a friend indeed, and our neighbor to the north has proven to be a kind and generous creditor in our time of financial need. Canada holds about 3.1% of our foreign debt, or $134.6 billion. If friend were to become enemy and Canada were looking to annex some U.S. land to cover the debt though, the country would have an easy time of it. The combined GDP of Maine ($51.3 billion), New Hampshire ($59.4 billion) and Vermont ($25.4 billion) comes close to Canada's debt holdings at $136.1 billion.
    Residents of the three states in our extreme northeast corner should start practicing their French: They might become Québécois one of these days.
    <BIG>9. Taiwan</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $131.9 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 3.0%
    Taiwan, an island barely 100 miles off the coast of China, is claimed by the People's Republic of China, despite having its own government and economic relations with the outside world. Part of those economic relations includes the island's holding of $131.9 billion of U.S. debt, roughly equivalent to the combined GDP of West Virginia ($63.3 billion) and Hawaii ($66.4 billion), which totals $129.7 billion.
    Unless we get our spending in check, we risk losing some of our most visually stunning territory (West Virginia, obviously) to our friendly neighbors on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.
    <BIG>10. Russia</BIG>
    Amount of U.S. debt: $106.2 billion
    Share of total foreign debt: 2.4%
    Starting off the list of our major foreign creditors is Russia, which holds about 2.4% of the U.S. debt pie that sits on the international dinner table. Its $106.2 billion in treasury securities is equivalent to the 2009 GDP of our sparsely populated North: The combined output of North Dakota ($31.9 billion), South Dakota ($38.3 billion) and Montana ($36 billion) matches up nicely with the Russian holdings, at $106.2 billion.
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  • bozeman
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    • 11-11-09
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    #2
    world is a big pub - everyone owes somebody something, but they would never collect those - believe me.
    They strike deals - that's it.
    I reside in Ukraine and Ukraine few years ago has been caught red-handed stealing Russian gas. They literally measured the amount of gas on the Russian - Ukrainian border and on Ukrainian - Polish. And that was an absolute theft - but you know what? They accused Ukraine of that, demanded even the money back - but finally Putin at that time - officially FORGAVE the theft
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    • cant call it
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      • 08-29-10
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      #3
      Most importantly nearly all of our trade ports are foreign owned.
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      • hostile takeover
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        • 12-06-09
        • 2258

        #4
        I saw the link on yahoo but didn't read.

        It's not the President, it's not the dictator of any foreign county, it's not the King or Queen of any empire.

        Banks run the country and they borderline run the world.

        The debt is a big circle, not just within our country but around the world. Country A owes Country B $200M. Country B owes Countries A $15B and C $500M. Country C owes Country A $10B...and so on.
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        • Ninersnut
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          • 05-20-10
          • 3730

          #5
          Yep. I just wonder how big the debt goes before it's like F it I know we aren't getting this back and it's time to throw down.
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          • onizuka
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 02-19-10
            • 643

            #6
            Interesting article, maybe we need an Economic sub forum here to discuss more topics like this
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            • 36mafia
              Restricted User
              • 11-08-09
              • 2389

              #7
              old news. heres a headsup if its on yahoo homepage its at least 3 days old

              nice to see posters crediting a source when they copy + paste tho
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              • rsnnh12
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                • 09-26-10
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                #8


                First sentence... how is Obama's budget bringing us closer to that? We're not even close to being balanced with our budget, and White House-projected defecits of $600+ billion per year for a decade aren't helping...
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                • Double Bogey
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                  • 07-24-10
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by rsnnh12


                  First sentence... how is Obama's budget bringing us closer to that? We're not even close to being balanced with our budget, and White House-projected defecits of $600+ billion per year for a decade aren't helping...
                  Exactly, we need smart business people in government to clean up this mess were in. Until then we are screwing future generations royally.
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                  • The Inevitable
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 05-02-10
                    • 773

                    #10
                    All the money the US gives Israel each year... and Israel isn't even on the list?! They can take money and weapons from the US, but as far as buying part of the debt.... Nope! They will not lend a helping hand. But they're quick to ask America for help in the Middle East.
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                    • Ninersnut
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                      • 05-20-10
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                      #11
                      All the $ US gives everybody each year and we just sink in debt. I think it is hilarious but soon China's army will be strong enough to play with us big boys and the day of reckoning will come.
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                      • hostile takeover
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                        • 12-06-09
                        • 2258

                        #12
                        Yep. China isn't dumb enough to give their money away. They just keep building and building until one day...
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                        • pronk
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                          • 11-22-08
                          • 6887

                          #13
                          I ain't worried fellas at all because our $ is as American as apple pie.
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                          • Recurring
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 12-11-10
                            • 343

                            #14
                            Wow. Very interesting read. Definitely should open some peoples eyes when put into those words.
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                            • TodayIsForgotten
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                              • 06-19-06
                              • 534

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ninersnut
                              All the $ US gives everybody each year and we just sink in debt. I think it is hilarious but soon China's army will be strong enough to play with us big boys and the day of reckoning will come.
                              I think this day is already here. Their army dwarves the US and probably every other countries.
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                              • rsnnh12
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                                • 09-26-10
                                • 3487

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Ninersnut
                                All the $ US gives everybody each year and we just sink in debt. I think it is hilarious but soon China's army will be strong enough to play with us big boys and the day of reckoning will come.
                                What can their army do to us? Only way they can fight us is with navy and air force, and we dominate them in both. They could have 1 billion people in their army, but if they don't have any way to transport them to our shores quickly and without being bombed in the process, it won't matter
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