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  • statnerds
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    • 09-23-09
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    #1
    Damn you Global Warming!!!!!!
    Mexico loses 80-100% of crops to freeze, US prices to skyrocket

    Posted Feb 11, 2011 by ■ Lynn Herrmann
    The cold weather experienced across much of the US in early February made its way deep into Mexico and early reports estimate 80-100 percent crop losses which are having an immediate impact on prices at US grocery stores with more volatility to come.

    Freezing temperatures hit some of Mexico's produce areas, and as a result, crops such as tomatoes (shown here in Michoacan) beans, peppers and avocados will be in short supply and carry a high price tag in US and Canadian grocery stores.


    Wholesale food suppliers have already sent notices to supermarket retailers describing the produce losses in Mexico and the impact shoppers can expect. Sysco sent out a release(pdf) this week stating the early February freeze reached as far south as Los Mochis and south of Culiacan, both located in the state of Sinaloa, along the Gulf of California. The freezing temperatures were the worst the region has seen since 1957. According to Sysco’s notice sent out this week:
    “The early reports are still coming in but most are showing losses of crops in the range of 80 to 100%. Even shade house product was hit by the extremely cold temps. It will take 7-10 days to have a clearer picture from growers and field supervisors, but these growing regions haven’t had cold like this in over half a century.”
    At this time of year, Mexico is a major supplier to the US and Canada for green beans, cucumbers, squash, eggplant, asparagus, peppers and round and Roma tomatoes. Compounding the problem is the freezing cold that hit Florida in December and January. Sysco continued with its dire report:
    “Florida normally is a major supplier for these items as well but they have already been struck with severe freeze damage in December and January and up until now have had to purchase product out of Mexico to fill their commitments, that is no longer an option.”
    Validating that statement, The Packer released a statement at the end of December stating:
    “Freeze damage to Florida crops could increase demand for Mexican vegetables for the rest of winter, grower-shippers say.”
    That December report noted Florida’s cold temperatures and crop loss but was optimistic over Mexico’s produce, even if prices were climbing. “My gut feeling tells me the Mexican deal is going to be very active,” said Ken Maples, sales manager for Plantation Produce in Mission, Texas, according to The Packer. “Green beans in Florida were seriously hurt. Romas that are $10 or $10.95 today in 25-pound bulk, I look for it to be in the mid-teens,” Maples added. But that was December. On Wednesday, The Packer reported that:
    “Supplies of tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers and other vegetables from Mexico will be severely limited until at least March following an early February freeze.”
    Wholesale prices for many crops have already begun climbing, doubling and almost tripling what they were at the beginning of February. The Packer notes that the short-term, mid-term and long-term outlook for some crops is “devastating” and using this week’s pricing as a gauge of what is in store for consumers noted:
    “On Feb. 8, the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported prices of $22.95-24.95 for two-layer cartons of 4x4, 5x5 and 5x6 vine-ripe field-grown tomatoes from Mexico, up from $6.95-9.95 the week before and $5.95-7.95 the year before.”
    Jerry Wagner, sales and marketing director for Farmer’s Best, based in Nogales, AZ, said: “The end of February and the first half of March, there will be even worse shortages of product” than during the first part of February, The Packer reports. Wagner called it “a miracle” if 20 percent of the cucumber crop survives. Yellow, green and grey squash took the biggest hit. “Some plants will come back but the vast majority is lost,” Wagner added. Sysco called the Mexico freeze an “unprecedented disaster” and noted the volatility of the matter in its release:
    “With the series of weather disasters that has occurred in both of these major growing areas we will experience immediate volatile prices, expected limited availability, and mediocre quality at best.”
    Mike Alton, marketing director for Prime Time International LLC based in Coachella, CA said: “We’re in for a long, tough haul,” according to The Packer.

  • statnerds
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    • 09-23-09
    • 4047

    #2
    Freezing temperatures kill 65 zoo animals in Mexico


    An icy cold front that swept through northern Mexico over the weekend left 65 zoo animals dead, the zoo's owner told CNN on Monday.
    Parrots, crocodiles and peacocks were among the victims of temperatures that dropped as low as 5 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 15 degrees Celsius) early Saturday morning at the Chihuahua Zoo in the city of Aldama, about an hour north of Chihuahua.
    The alarming number of deaths, which represents about 10% of all of the zoo's animals, was the result of several compounding factors, owner Alberto Hernandez said.


    First, the temperature dropped unexpectedly, and the area's civil protection agency did not send out an advisory for the extremely cold weather, Hernandez said. So zookeepers did not take extra precautions before leaving work Friday night.
    Second, the inclement weather knocked out electricity to the zoo, causing the heaters and heating lamps throughout the location to cease working, he said. Without electricity, the night watchmen turned on the gas lines.
    "They turned on the gas heaters and left it at that, but they didn't know that the gas lines had frozen," Hernandez said.
    It wasn't until 6 o'clock the next morning, when an emergency generator was turned on, that zoo officials became aware of the devastation.
    What they found was a menagerie of dead animals: one Capuchin monkey, 14 parrots and parakeets, 12 snakes, three crocodiles, five iguanas, 10 peacocks, and 20 hens.
    "There were lots of factors that led to this accident happening," Hernandez said. "We are accustomed to extreme weather, but nothing like this."
    The Capuchin monkey, named Botitas, or Little Boots, was just 6 months old and had been born at the zoo. His parents, including his father, Boots, had been brought from Central America.
    The zoo was left with no more crocodiles following the losses. The three crocodiles that died were originally from the Mexican state of Sinaloa.
    The zoo faced other challenges. Frozen water pipes meant that hoses couldn't be used to fill animals' food bowls. Warm water had to be brought in from outside, Hernandez said. Additional workers were brought in to care for the caged animals that required the most help.
    They were also able to save other animals from dying of hypothermia. Two other monkeys were freezing, but were saved, Hernandez said. A stallion was also recovering from the cold.
    Electricity was not restored until Sunday, he said. Nonetheless, the zoo opened for business as usual Monday, though Hernandez said he expected an economic hit from the loss of the animals.
    "It's impossible to be prepared for something so unpredictable," he said.
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    • Jimmy Proffett
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      • 10-20-09
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      #3
      Al Gore says sometimes temperatures drop in places b/c of global warming. This proves he's right.
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      • guitarjosh
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        • 12-25-07
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        #4
        Originally posted by Jimmy Proffett
        Al Gore says sometimes temperatures drop in places b/c of global warming. This proves he's right.
        But sometimes the temperatures will get warmer. That will also prove him right.
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        • brooks85
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-05-09
          • 44709

          #5
          dam avocados were 3 for $5
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          • wtf
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-22-08
            • 12983

            #6
            thats right

            the global warming psycho's have changed their tact

            they need to keep those grants coming in to fund their fruitless research

            why dont they invent a car that runs on sea water and really do something important
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            • Hotdiggity11
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              • 01-09-09
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              #7
              Statnerds, did you have to make another Global Warming thread because you kept getting slapped around in the previous long one?




              The decade ending in 2009 was the warmest on record, new surface temperature figures released Thursday by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration show.
              The agency also found that 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began. The warmest year was 2005. The other hottest recorded years have all occurred since 1998, NASA said.
              James E. Hansen, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said that global temperatures varied because of changes in ocean heating and cooling cycles. “When we average temperature over 5 or 10 years to minimize that variability,” said Dr. Hansen, one of the world’s leading climatologists, “we find global warming is continuing unabated.”
              A separate preliminary analysis from the National Climatic Data Center, a unit of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, found that 2009 tied with 2006 as the fifth warmest year on record, based on measurements taken on land and at sea. The data center report, published earlier this week, also cited the years 2000 to 2009 as the warmest decade ever measured. The new temperature figures provide evidence in the scientific discussion of global warming but are not likely to be the last word on whether the planet’s temperature is on a consistent upward path.
              Dr. Hansen, who has been an outspoken figure in the climate debate for years, has often been attacked by skeptics of global warming for what they charge is selective use of temperature data. The question of whether the planet is heating and how quickly was at the heart of the so-called “climategate” controversy that arose last fall when hundreds of e-mail messages from the climate study unit at the University of East Anglia in England were released without authorization.
              Critics seized on the messages as evidence that, in their view, climate scientists were manipulating data and colluding to keep contrary opinion out of scientific journals. But climate scientists and political leaders affirmed what they called a broad-based consensus that the planet was growing warmer, and on a consistent basis, although with measurable year-to-year variations.
              The NASA data released Thursday showed an upward temperature trend of about 0.36 degrees Fahrenheit (0.2 degrees Celsius) per decade over the past 30 years. Average global temperatures have risen by about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) since 1880.
              “That’s the important number to keep in mind,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at Goddard. “The difference between the second and sixth warmest years is trivial because the known uncertainty in the temperature measurement is larger than some of the differences between the warmest years.”
              Policy makers at the United Nations climate change summit conference in Copenhagen last month agreed on a goal of trying to keep the rise in average global temperatures to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius, to try to forestall the worst effects of global warming.








              Good news is, summer is approaching and that's when the anti-GW types always seem to disappear for the next 5 months.
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              • Hotdiggity11
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                #8
                More fun.

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                • statnerds
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                  • 09-23-09
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                  #9
                  Diggity -

                  Let's start with basics.

                  For a hypothesis to be scientifically sound, it must be filtered through the Scientific Method. Several things make GW Fail this.

                  1. For a hypothesis to pass scientific mustard, there must be a way to disprove it. Show me that. How can GW be proven wrong?

                  2. Full disclosure. Why no sharing of data?

                  3. Documentation and replication.

                  Blame Bush now.
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                  • stevenash
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                    • 01-17-11
                    • 65478

                    #10
                    If algore told me the sun was yellow, I'd still look up to believe it.
                    Rush is right.
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                    • icancount2one
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                      • 01-05-10
                      • 1507

                      #11
                      A few early adopters in the green industries are making millions, or billions. The Oil Industry has to be making quadrillions and have loads of corrupt politicians supporting their cause. Every time someone says "Follow the money, Al Gore wants to get rich!" I picture a drooling neanderthal beating rocks together.

                      The weather is getting much more extreme and polarized, large swaths of animals are dying at random, and now this.

                      It's the same cycle as every other environmental problem, from endangered species to acid rain to the ozone layer. Deniers claim that man can't possibly be significant enough to cause the problem, that it's in the hands of God. Then they claim that even if man is responsible, there's nothing we can do about it. Then the solution is implemented, and it turns out the scientists were right all along.

                      Or it could be a liberal conspiracy for arbitrary austerity.
                      Walter forgot... when you're desperate's when you got no choice.
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                      • tripas for lunch
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 01-05-11
                        • 79

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hotdiggity11
                        Statnerds, did you have to make another Global Warming thread because you kept getting slapped around in the previous long one?




                        The decade ending in 2009 was the warmest on record, new surface temperature figures released Thursday by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration show.
                        The agency also found that 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began. The warmest year was 2005. The other hottest recorded years have all occurred since 1998, NASA said.
                        James E. Hansen, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said that global temperatures varied because of changes in ocean heating and cooling cycles. “When we average temperature over 5 or 10 years to minimize that variability,” said Dr. Hansen, one of the world’s leading climatologists, “we find global warming is continuing unabated.”
                        A separate preliminary analysis from the National Climatic Data Center, a unit of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, found that 2009 tied with 2006 as the fifth warmest year on record, based on measurements taken on land and at sea. The data center report, published earlier this week, also cited the years 2000 to 2009 as the warmest decade ever measured. The new temperature figures provide evidence in the scientific discussion of global warming but are not likely to be the last word on whether the planet’s temperature is on a consistent upward path.
                        Dr. Hansen, who has been an outspoken figure in the climate debate for years, has often been attacked by skeptics of global warming for what they charge is selective use of temperature data. The question of whether the planet is heating and how quickly was at the heart of the so-called “climategate” controversy that arose last fall when hundreds of e-mail messages from the climate study unit at the University of East Anglia in England were released without authorization.
                        Critics seized on the messages as evidence that, in their view, climate scientists were manipulating data and colluding to keep contrary opinion out of scientific journals. But climate scientists and political leaders affirmed what they called a broad-based consensus that the planet was growing warmer, and on a consistent basis, although with measurable year-to-year variations.
                        The NASA data released Thursday showed an upward temperature trend of about 0.36 degrees Fahrenheit (0.2 degrees Celsius) per decade over the past 30 years. Average global temperatures have risen by about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) since 1880.
                        “That’s the important number to keep in mind,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at Goddard. “The difference between the second and sixth warmest years is trivial because the known uncertainty in the temperature measurement is larger than some of the differences between the warmest years.”
                        Policy makers at the United Nations climate change summit conference in Copenhagen last month agreed on a goal of trying to keep the rise in average global temperatures to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius, to try to forestall the worst effects of global warming.








                        Good news is, summer is approaching and that's when the anti-GW types always seem to disappear for the next 5 months.
                        Those things are pretty easy to show when you can just adjust the data to suit your purpose. For example, in 1999 Hansen admitted that there was no definitive evidence of global warming over the century. Then, miraculously, he "adjusted" his data and POOF, all of a sudden there was such evidence. You can see the difference in the graph below:





                        But don't worry, I'm sure Hansen will come out any day now and declare 2011 to be the hottest year ever.
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                        • Ninersnut
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                          #13
                          I love all these threads that just b/c something is colder doesn't mean the earth is not warming. As a whole the earth is warming. I don't really give a shit about global warming I just think the earth goes through different phases of warming and cooling and it really has nothing to do with us.
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                          • harlee71
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                            • 12-02-09
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                            #14
                            So what if the earth is warming, then what is the right temperature for the the earth to begin with? Before we can say it is warming, I think we would have to know the perfect temperature for the earth as a baseline. So what is the number so we can start the measure.

                            So what is it?
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                            • hubie69
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                              • 09-16-10
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                              #15
                              Global Warming or not, there certainly is something kooky going on with the Earths weather. Most people blame other people, companies, etc. I just don't think humans had a big impact upon this. The Earth goes through these phases, and I think the Earth will continue to do that, regardless of what the humans are doing.
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                              • stevenash
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                                • 01-17-11
                                • 65478

                                #16
                                Originally posted by hubie69
                                The Earth goes through these phases, and I think the Earth will continue to do that, regardless of what the humans are doing.
                                Amen.
                                Sing it brother, spot on perfect post.

                                Take the dust bowl era of the 'dirty thirties'
                                There weren't green house gasses and all that other nonsense back then to speak of.
                                Yet soil turned to dust.

                                What about the ice age?
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                                • Vegas_bond
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                                  • 12-09-09
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                                  #17
                                  Were weed crops affected to?
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                                  • nikossf
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                                    #18
                                    Its potato! Not potatoe!
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                                    • nikossf
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                                      #19
                                      ?

                                      Originally posted by Vegas_bond
                                      Were weed crops affected to?
                                      My babys are safe..dont know what the hells goin on in the rest of the world..
                                      This should be interesting..
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                                      • Toples
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                                        #20
                                        shift happens, thats all
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                                        • statnerds
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                                          #21
                                          Still waiting for the scientific test that will determine the validity of global warming.

                                          If there is no test to prove it wrong, it has no basis in science....
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                                          • statnerds
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                                            #22
                                            Diggity -

                                            Just made this one up, feel free to use it.

                                            You know what you and GW data have in common?

                                            You both get manipulated
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                                            • wquine
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                                              #23
                                              ag stocks will somewhat help me fund my gambling habit... somewhat
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                                              • Bluehorseshoe
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by statnerds
                                                Still waiting for the scientific test that will determine the validity of global warming.

                                                If there is no test to prove it wrong, it has no basis in science....
                                                I don't get what you've proven with this thread. Just because some spots around the world got extremely cold that doesn't mean the earth is warming? Nobody on the planet knows what effects the planet, especially anyone in this forum.

                                                BUT....For every action there's a reaction. If you feel that pumping carbon monoxide into the atmosphere has no negative effect on the planet, sit in your garage for an hour with the engine running and get back to us on your research.
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                                                • icancount2one
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by statnerds
                                                  Still waiting for the scientific test that will determine the validity of global warming.

                                                  If there is no test to prove it wrong, it has no basis in science....
                                                  There was no 100% airtight scientific proof that a species could go extinct until the last dodo bird died.

                                                  People were still screaming that there was no conclusive proof that CFCs effected the O-zone layer until they were banned and it came back.

                                                  How much more "El Nino" BS and "random" extreme weather events to we need to start moving away from petroleum? Wouldn't less power to OPEC be a good thing regardless?
                                                  Walter forgot... when you're desperate's when you got no choice.
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                                                  • Willie Bee
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                                                    #26
                                                    "The early reports are still coming in but most are showing losses of crops in the range of 80 to 100%."
                                                    I would think it would take more than simply 'early reports' to claim 100% loss. Would love to see the details of these early reports.

                                                    "First, the temperature dropped unexpectedly, and the area's civil protection agency did not send out an advisory for the extremely cold weather, Hernandez said. So zookeepers did not take extra precautions before leaving work Friday night"
                                                    If the 'civil protection agency' failed to send warning, then it wasn't a case of the temps dropping unexpectedly but a case of the agency simply falling down on the job. Weather forecasts for this area, and the potential for a hard freeze, were well-known in advance. Trying to brush this off in any way of just being a case of Mother Nature's wrath is pathetic.
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                                                    • Bill Dozer
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                                                      • 07-12-05
                                                      • 10894

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Ninersnut
                                                      I love all these threads that just b/c something is colder doesn't mean the earth is not warming. As a whole the earth is warming. I don't really give a shit about global warming I just think the earth goes through different phases of warming and cooling and it really has nothing to do with us.
                                                      Seems like there is something to going through cycles... Look what the sun is doing. But, if you ever really look at the ground when your plane starts landing miles from the airport the impact is in perspective. We kind of look like fungus on an orange that keeps spreading. If you remember what it is supposed to look like naturally it's kind of scary.
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                                                      • TexansFan
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Jimmy Proffett
                                                        Al Gore says sometimes temperatures drop in places b/c of global warming. This proves he's right.
                                                        Al Gore doesn't know shit about anything. Quit being so damn gullible.
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                                                        • wtf
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by TexansFan

                                                          Al Gore doesn't know shit about anything. Quit being so damn gullible.
                                                          WRONG

                                                          he invented the internet, he said it himself
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                                                          • Hotdiggity11
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by statnerds
                                                            Diggity -

                                                            Let's start with basics.

                                                            For a hypothesis to be scientifically sound, it must be filtered through the Scientific Method. Several things make GW Fail this.

                                                            1. For a hypothesis to pass scientific mustard, there must be a way to disprove it. Show me that. How can GW be proven wrong?

                                                            2. Full disclosure. Why no sharing of data?

                                                            3. Documentation and replication.

                                                            Blame Bush now.


                                                            1. It can be disproven by stating that AGW is just a byproduct of natural phenomenon rather than manmade [Too bad it isn't completely natural].

                                                            2. Climate charts have been given disclosure numerous times over.


                                                            3. See 2.
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                                                            • Hotdiggity11
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by statnerds
                                                              Diggity -

                                                              Just made this one up, feel free to use it.

                                                              You know what you and GW data have in common?

                                                              You both get manipulated

                                                              Here, I have one.


                                                              Your analysis of Global Warming is about as good as your sports picks. Now for questions for you to answer:

                                                              1. Why is your idea of GW completely manipulated by politics rather than science?

                                                              2. Why do you keep dodging the data that I lay out?

                                                              3. Why do you keep using examples of weather when this is dealing with CLIMATE change?

                                                              4. As Global Warming becomes more scientifically accepted over the decades, will you be one of those types who ends up pretending he was right on board with it all along? Kinda like how corporations did with DDT back in the day.
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                                                              • statnerds
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Hotdiggity11
                                                                Your analysis of Global Warming is about as good as your sports picks. Now for questions for you to answer:

                                                                SportWinsLossesUnits EarnedPCT
                                                                CF 13 10 13.6 57%
                                                                NFL 34 18 60.0 65%


                                                                Looks like it was pretty good year....
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                                                                • statnerds
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Hotdiggity11
                                                                  4. As Global Warming becomes more scientifically accepted over the decades, will you be one of those types who ends up pretending he was right on board with it all along? Kinda like how corporations did with DDT back in the day.
                                                                  Really, DDT? So you missed the part where Carson was proven a liar and completely discredited, right?

                                                                  Type your drivel to these 82 scientist that disagree with you

                                                                  Carbon Dioxide and Earth's Future: Pursuing the Prudent Path
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                                                                  • Hotdiggity11
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by statnerds
                                                                    Really, DDT? So you missed the part where Carson was proven a liar and completely discredited, right?

                                                                    Type your drivel to these 82 scientist that disagree with you

                                                                    Carbon Dioxide and Earth's Future: Pursuing the Prudent Path


                                                                    I'd rather ask the tens of millions of wildlife that were affected by DDT over the decades in which it was used in the U.S. as well as other countries [That, for the record, have mostly also banned it after seeing the environmental risks]. So far, the only person proven a liar is you.
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                                                                    • Hotdiggity11
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by statnerds
                                                                      SportWinsLossesUnits EarnedPCT
                                                                      CF 13 10 13.6 57%
                                                                      NFL 34 18 60.0 65%


                                                                      Looks like it was pretty good year....


                                                                      Looks like you forgot something.

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