Is the Cure Worse than the Disease?

[Unrivaled]

Ontario in Canada projection is 18 to 24 months of a lockdown needed (best case) to prevent 100 000 deaths out of 14 million. Instead 15 000 will die.

Also in the projection they may be able to slowly reduce measures for a month or 2 in late summer or fall before having to fully lock down again for another 4 to 6 months when the 2nd and 3rd waves hit.

At what point is the cure worse than the disease when no one has a job and there is no economy? I know lives are worth more than money and it sounds heartless but 24 months of this is hard to imagine.

[Optional]

I think there will be a treatment and/or vaccine rolled out well before 24 months.

And I think Sth Korea is a good place to watch to see if the 2nd wave really has to be worse.

[deltgen]

Ontario in Canada projection is 18 to 24 months of a lockdown needed (best case) to prevent 100 000 deaths out of 14 million. Instead 15 000 will die.

Also in the projection they may be able to slowly reduce measures for a month or 2 in late summer or fall before having to fully lock down again for another 4 to 6 months when the 2nd and 3rd waves hit.

At what point is the cure worse than the disease when no one has a job and there is no economy? I know lives are worth more than money and it sounds heartless but 24 months of this is hard to imagine.

You're on to something that isn't being discussed. All the "Stay at home is the only way to end this" people seem to think that there will finally be a day where the Chinese virus will be eradicated if we all "do our part". It will actually be like you say--the numbers of new cases will dwindle enough where we will be permitted to go back to work, but then a bunch more people will get sick. Are we going to do this all again? A damn virus doesn't simply end. To very briefly answer your question: Yes.

[nyplayer33]

Look at the curve in washington and california..its working they say. Treatment in my view is 4 to 6 months away...heard September..vaccine within 9 months ?? We will have better understanding of how to prevent this better then 2 months back.

[nyplayer33]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/coronavirus-cure-covid-19-treatment-doctor-claims-jacob-glanville/6074011/

[StackinGreen]

See my posts on the Herbstreit thread for the correct understanding of epidemiology and bias. This is pure and unadulterated fear mongering and overreaction, beyond it being unconstitutional or bordering on martial law.

[Unrivaled]

Look at the curve in washington and california..its working they say. Treatment in my view is 4 to 6 months away...heard September..vaccine within 9 months ?? We will have better understanding of how to prevent this better then 2 months back.

I don't think treatment is 4 to 6 months away. We may be able to get down to a low enough number where we can relax measures then, but then a month or 2 later we are back where we are now.

With regards to a vaccine in 9 months, this report says optimistically 18 to 24 months. It takes a long time to do all the required testing to make sure we aren't killing everyone we give the vaccine to. Then months more to start mass manufacturing the vaccine.

My only point is this... just under 1% of the world dies OR we have no economy and people are depressed and no one has a job/crime rate skyrockets/hunger goes up/millions now have no shelter/suicide rates skyrocket...

The cure is just as bad as the disease maybe.

[StackinGreen]

It is very possible that none of this mattered, given realities of the virus or transmission that can't be stopped - we still do things, go to grocery store, etc. The right procedure was always to recommend that ages 65+ self sequester and take precaution.

The purported cure is already worse than the disease, which is why this is so surreal and damaging to so many people. Imagine if we do all of this and they say, "Oh sorry we just ruined the economy, it actually didn't turn out to matter. Our bad."

[Harry N. Lloyd]

Guys, this is a sports betting site and there's not a poster on here who can pick a winner. What friggin' chance is there that somebody here can predict the coronavirus future?

[PittsburghPlayer]

that would be funny as fukk Sanity, your last statement

especially funny that it did not take an E-M-P or other act of war or solar flare to slow the rat-race down

[nyplayer33]

Maybe it is too much fear....i have yet to hear of people spreading this all over a walmart or target that has so many fkin people. It seems it makes the elderly sicker or ones who have already bad immune systems and other issues. Its like driving over a pothole with bad tires..not trying to be a douche.

[nyplayer33]

Glanville, CEO of Distributed Bio, says the next step is for the military to confirm his findings and test the antibodies on live coronavirus, then accelerated human trials this summer. If all goes according to plan, he says, a possible treatment could be ready by September.

[Buckandadime]

I think there will be a treatment and/or vaccine rolled out well before 24 months.

And I think Sth Korea is a good place to watch to see if the 2nd wave really has to be worse.

S. Korea is the model for how this should have been initially handled..
Not sure that we can compare or expect our numbers to be anywhere close to their second wave infections..

[hehfest]

Yes it is. Just look:

[nyplayer33]

Lol...will orange man live another year from this stress

[Roger T. Bannon]

You cannot have an economy during a pandemic. People were dying in the streets in China. A bunch of rich kids from Texas chartered a plane for spring break and half of them got corona. This stuff is highly contagious. A bus driver complained that people were not covering their mouth when they coughed. He is dead.

If people were going to work, they would be in a state of panic. The govt cannot provide masks. The elites cannot give themselves a bailout and then send people to work while they bunker down.

You simply are in a state of denial.

[b1slickguy]

The cure is simple: turn off your TV, stop watching the (unconfirmed) "death toll" numbers and live your life to the fullest.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Remember when Bernie was the socialist? Those were the good ol' days.

[ronald]

Ontario in Canada projection is 18 to 24 months of a lockdown needed (best case) to prevent 100 000 deaths out of 14 million. Instead 15 000 will die.

Also in the projection they may be able to slowly reduce measures for a month or 2 in late summer or fall before having to fully lock down again for another 4 to 6 months when the 2nd and 3rd waves hit.

At what point is the cure worse than the disease when no one has a job and there is no economy? I know lives are worth more than money and it sounds heartless but 24 months of this is hard to imagine.

15,000 is way too low of a projection.

I'd say it will be closer to 80,000 over the next two years, if not more.

Canadians are delusional, largely because their leader is also delusional.

The data shows that Ontario is in trouble.

I've been watching Canadian TV and they keep saying "we don't want to end up like the states."

They don't realize that Ontario is already far worse than most states.

Like I said: delusional

[nyplayer33]

We are learning more n more...there will be ways to highly avoid virus e en more as we get info.

[turkkatarian]

University Of Pittsburgh has a Cure but it's gonna take at least a year.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2020/4/3/21207070/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-cure-university-of-pittsburgh-medical

[Auto Donk]

bottom line is, as the narrative begins to unravel and the number of hospitalizations is 4-5 times less than predicted, this will indeed turnout to be a total overreaction, and the cure -- stopping everything -- which has resulted in countless trillions of economic damages (which will have long lasting peripheral damage associated with it, as well, due to impoverishment it will cause), will definitely be worse than the f'n virus....

[habitualwinning]

This stuff is highly contagious. A bus driver complained that people were not covering their mouth when they coughed. He is dead.

The hypocrisy of government and liberals. Some of the states and cities with liberal governors and mayors have closed parks down on top of most businesses. They've threatened people with fines or arrest for not complying. Yet public transit remains open. That's gotta be the dumbest most hypocritical stance anyone could take. They think parks are dangerous cause coronavirus is in the air but please everyone pack into a small confined bus and cough and breathe all over each other. Unreal their logic.

If they were serious about this social distancing then public transit would've been shutdown way before parks. People's mental health is gonna start to suffer in these areas where parks are closed.

[Buckandadime]

bottom line is, as the narrative begins to unravel and the number of hospitalizations is 4-5 times less than predicted, this will indeed turnout to be a total overreaction, and the cure -- stopping everything -- which has resulted in countless trillions of economic damages (which will have long lasting peripheral damage associated with it, as well, due to impoverishment it will cause), will definitely be worse than the f'n virus....

Without a doubt..
This will have crippling social and economic ramifications for years to come if it continues much longer..

[habitualwinning]

I saw a stat on the news earlier that 50% of Americans didn't have more than $400 in savings and this was before they shut everything down and wrecked the economy. Those people are barely surviving right now. Civil unrest and high crime are imminent if they keep the economy suppressed much longer.

[deltgen]

bottom line is, as the narrative begins to unravel and the number of hospitalizations is 4-5 times less than predicted, this will indeed turnout to be a total overreaction, and the cure -- stopping everything -- which has resulted in countless trillions of economic damages (which will have long lasting peripheral damage associated with it, as well, due to impoverishment it will cause), will definitely be worse than the f'n virus....

All 100% correct. Add to it how much easier it has just become to revoke civil rights in the years to come. I can't say I believe that that was the intention of anybody but it sure as hell will be the result. My city issued an edict that as of midnight this morning, there is no social gathering allowed--nobody in anybody's home except for the people who live in that home. We may visit nobody. Also, any trip outside our home requires a mask. Exit the front door, wear a mask. Our cops are authorized to enforce both of these. Riverside California is now China. I haven't cried in probably two decades, but I am not ashamed to admit that I shed a few tears when the city issued this edict last night.

[vitterd]

Lol...will orange man live another year from this stress

You have to care to have stress.

[vitterd]

bottom line is, as the narrative begins to unravel and the number of hospitalizations is 4-5 times less than predicted, this will indeed turnout to be a total overreaction, and the cure -- stopping everything -- which has resulted in countless trillions of economic damages (which will have long lasting peripheral damage associated with it, as well, due to impoverishment it will cause), will definitely be worse than the f'n virus....

Idiots like this is why the virus spreads.

[habitualwinning]

Idiots like this is why the virus spreads.

No, keeping public transit open is. There's nothing open and you can't do anything anyway, so why is it still running? Didn't you watch the bus driver's video? He said it straightforward now he's dead.

[deltgen]

The cure is simple: turn off your TV, stop watching the (unconfirmed) "death toll" numbers and live your life to the fullest.

I like the sentiment, b1, but how is that possible nowadays? We are closed. How can we live life to the fullest? With all my heart I want to, but living my life to the fullest includes seeing the very few important people in my life when and where I want, working full time, traveling when I can, visiting a museum on an off day, enjoying a nice night our with my girlfriend--those are simply impossible right now.

[Auto Donk]

Idiots like this is why the virus spreads.

there's an old star trek saying that applies here..... certainly, a corollary of it applies to "vittles world".....

in short: "in a dumbass non-SBR pro broke dik fuk's world (aka "vittles world"), a smart, well-grounded, financially secure and intellectually superior being must appear to be an idiot".........

[Wrongside]

I think there will be a treatment and/or vaccine rolled out well before 24 months.

And I think Sth Korea is a good place to watch to see if the 2nd wave really has to be worse.

Is S. Korea still in quarantine? Heavy restrictions?

[PittsburghPlayer]

No, keeping public transit open is. There's nothing open and you can't do anything anyway, so why is it still running? Didn't you watch the bus driver's video? He said it straightforward now he's dead.

great, so now the lives of bus drivers matter too
when does the humanity end?

[Optional]

Is S. Korea still in quarantine? Heavy restrictions?

They never went into a lockdown. Just the social distancing and lots of testing/tracing and isolating people early.

Their strategy was testing as many people as possible and trace where they got it and who they may have infected. They use infected people's phone data to find out where they have been and make maps to show where testing needs to be done.

At some point they are going to have to deal with foreign travellers and people will start getting infected though, unless they can continue exactly the same way as now until a vaccine arrives. Which seems unlikely to me.

[Auto Donk]

They never went into a lockdown. Just the social distancing and lots of testing/tracing and isolating people early.

Their strategy was testing as many people as possible and trace where they got it and who they may have infected. They use infected people's phone data to find out where they have been and make maps to show where testing needs to be done.

At some point they are going to have to deal with foreign travellers and people will start getting infected though, unless they can continue exactly the same way as now until a vaccine arrives. Which seems unlikely to me.